🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

[Xorkoth]

Some people report little visuals with 2C-E, and some report extremely strong visuals on it. There seems to be a high amount of variance there.

2C-B is definitely highly visual, and very recreational. More recreational than 2C-E for me, for sure. A much easier trip, and much more emotional. So I guess it depends on what you're looking for

 

[Psychestim]

I believe it was @cro0k, crooked, @cr00k whatever (can't find him, old school German PD guy), who used to IV both 2C-E and 2C-P that said that, after many years of 2C-E being his favorite phen, 2C-P was the real crown jewel in his opinion. Obviously he liked tripping very hard on both.

I think that on 2C-E in general you can never get rid of that overarching neutrality, obviously it can be quite emotional but it seems to be from a very practical vantage point. I don't know exactly what happens on high 2C-P doses, but it's obviously a very powerful drug too. And there's a ton of sound effects and visuals, and since it feels much more emotional, so maybe 2C-P could very well be the standout for some in terms of depth and recreation.

I liked 2C-P myself but I likely didn't unlock the full potential at a dose comparable to ~10-12mg oral. It's quite like DOPr actually, DOPr is very close to what you'd expect from 2C-P + the amphetamine part, except that imo the amphetamine clashes with the encompassing hypnotic/dreamy effects.

I'm so pissed that my letter containing 125mg 2C-P and a dose or two of 2C-I never arrived... Just waiting for the seizure notice and the subpoena for interrogation.

 

[Bagseed]

I'm so pissed that my letter containing 125mg 2C-P and a dose or two of 2C-I never arrived... Just waiting for the seizure notice and the subpoena for interrogation.

these are not illegal here, no? nps gesetz only covers potential selling of the seized drugs, or am I mistaken? surely these small amounts won't trigger that?

 

[Psychestim]

these are not illegal here, no? nps gesetz only covers potential selling of the seized drugs, or am I mistaken? surely these small amounts won't trigger that?

2C-I is regulated under the SMG and 2C-P is regulated under the NPSG. Same thing happened to me three years ago, when they ordered me in for questioning for allegedly ordering 1g of 6-APB and 1g NEP (two NPSG regulated chemicals). I denied everything so the investigation procedure was scrapped but it was annoying nevertheless.

 

[Bagseed]

2C-I is regulated under the SMG and 2C-P is regulated under the NPSG. Same thing happened to me three years ago, when they ordered me in for questioning for allegedly ordering 1g of 6-APB and 1g NEP (two NPSG regulated chemicals). I denied everything so the investigation procedure was scrapped but it was annoying nevertheless.

I see. hope you can avoid trouble

 

[Johnnyosiris]

Actually, tryptamine freebases are usually hard crystals, not oils. Every tryptamine freebase I've seen (5-MeO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, DiPT, MPT, MiPT, DMT, MALT, 5-MeO-AMT, and AMT I believe are the freebases I've seen) are smelly, solid crystals in freebase form. Pretty much all (if not literally all) phenethylamines are oils in freebase form, though.

Dpt freebase is an oil

 

[Xorkoth]

I'm so pissed that my letter containing 125mg 2C-P and a dose or two of 2C-I never arrived... Just waiting for the seizure notice and the subpoena for interrogation.

Damn, that is the shittiest luck. I'm experiencing the same. I have had 4 or 5 standard letters containing small amounts of RCs (some schedule 1) disappear on me with no letter from customs or any word whatsoever, over the past few years. Nothing ever came of it, other than not receiving some things I really wanted to receive. But US customs is well known for not doing anything to you for personal amounts seized. Even when I have gotten a letter from customs, it just says ignore it and they will be destroyed, and there is no investigation.

 

[unodelacosa]

2C-B-fly is not a lot like 2C-B, though it has similarities. It's much less psychedelic, definitely more on the rolly side of things, though it is psychedelic. I don't get any visuals from it, I think some people have reported some visuals, though.

You get no visuals from 2C-B-FLY? Like at all? How many times have you tried it and at what doses? The way I see it is: 2C-B-FLY is more visual than 2C-B, and less "rolly" (by this I mean entactogenic / bodily euphoric). 2C-B-FLY gives me intricate visuals reminiscent of ~200µg LSD at the ~13mg 2C-B-FLY mark. The price for this is more body load (not to be confused with body euphoria) and the duration is longer.

Are you sure you're not confusing this with βk-2C-B? This description fits the bill for that drug – fewer visuals, more of a CNS stim w/ entactogenic & psychedelic side effects.

It's the most visual psychedelic they've ever used (which is definitely not the norm,) weirder yet because they don't get visuals from much of anything.

Right. You see what I mean, @Xorkoth? It's definitely one on the more visual side of things. I think 2C-B-FLY is stellar and don't mind the added body load provided I have the right channels for this energy (read: fun, zen-like physical activity, be it surfing, skating, painting, dancing, playing music, riding bikes, taking the MCAT (just kidding), or coitus, which it is particularly well suited for) … in fact IMHO all of the para-brominated phenethylamines & NBOx-class drugs seem to have in common something that triggers the classic entactogen response. I feel like 2C-B, 2C-B-FLY, DOB, 25B-NBOme, 25B-NBOH, βk-2C-B, and BOHB all have this "tooth-rubby", puffy-gums-feeling, entactogenic, physically euphoric component to them in some more or lesser degree.

Of course, drugs like BOD (4-methyl-2,5,β-trimethoxyphenethylamine) and BOHD (4-methyl-2,5-dimethoxy-beta-hydroxyphenethylamine) are more related to 2C-D, but then there are BOB and BOHB (I pronounce the latter as "Boab").

We both find it more similar to a DOx than anything else, certainly not 2C-B.

This is psychonautwiki's take on its qualitative effects:

"In comparison to 2C-B, this compound presents a significantly more pronounced body high/load, stronger visual effects, more complex geometry and more in-depth internal hallucinations which are comparable to mescaline, 2C-E or MDA at higher doses. Lower doses, however, are associated with more entactogenic as opposed to classical psychedelic effects."

You see the thing about 2C-B versus 2C-B-FLY is the difference in pharmacokinetics. With 2C-B, the oxygen atoms that extend from the 2- and 5-positions are a part of methoxy groups that are kinda just dangling out there, easily cleaved off in the body once MAOs get to it in the synapses. For reference here's the 2C-B molecule:

(☜ see these two oxygen atoms? these are easily removed once in the synapse, thus 2C-B's shorter duration and more gentle effects)

Now with 2C-B-FLY, those two oxygen atoms are a part of difuran rings instead of simple, dangling, methoxy group molecules. The ring structures in 2C-B-FLY act as a sort of scaffolding and lock the oxygen atoms in place much more rigidly. This makes it physically more difficult to break apart, unlike with 2C-B. And thus, 2C-B-FLY has a longer duration and stronger psychedelic qualities. … or at least, that's the theory anyway.

Here's 2C-B-FLY's structure for comparison:

(☜ these oxygen atoms are more difficult to remove pharmacokinetically due to the stronger bonded nature of the difuran rings; thus: 2C-B-FLY's longer duration and more pronounced psychedelic effects)

Hopefully this explains some of the differences between 2C-B and 2C-B-FLY. People often claim they're very different, but to me, they're quite similar – both kinda feel like a candyflip of sorts, you might say, right? And if so, 2C-B is more on the MDMA side of that flip while 2C-B-FLY is closer to LSD's effects. To be clear, they both have their own identities and qualities that are separate from the classic MDMA + LSD candyflip, but just for the sake of reference I'm making the overall comparison. Hope this all helps!

 

[Xorkoth]

Yes, I'm quite sure I am not confusing it with bk-2C-B, and no I have never had visuals from it, other than a color saturation that is beautiful. I have had it from 3 batches, the first batch ever sold back in 2006, and two more recent ones (I actually suspect both of the more recent buys are the same batch but there was quite a bit of time between my buys). I've tried it up to 20mg. 2C-B itself is extremely visual for me, among the most visual substances I have taken. 2C-B-fly, well, it isn't. Not for me, anyway. But hey, we're all different. Some people say 2C-E barely has any visuals, but a lot of people, like me, find it extraordinarily visual.

From what I can gather from reading about peoples' experiences online, 2C-B-fly has a pretty wide range in how people are affected by it.

Perhaps I am insensitive to it, and I need to take it at a higher dose, and it would become highly visual. Don't get me wrong, I think its a great drug, and I really enjoy it. I just don't get powerful psychedelic effects from it,instead it feels more entactogenic to me, certainly more than 2C-B does. 2C-B is becoming increasingly psychedelic for me the older I get, I require lower and lower doses and the mental and visual components are getting stronger

 

[Mjäll]

I am predictably enamored with DMT after the first attempt. Didn't quite reach breakthrough, but after one successful deep hit was hurled into the middle of a strong open-eyed trip with everything moving around, patterns shifting in endless layers, everything feeling like one big thing, everything on the verge of slipping away to reveal a blinding absence... It was beautiful and emotionally strengthening. I tried moving around and my body felt really good. I felt relieved of heavy thoughts and brought back to the simple tranquility of my emotions, which are doing quite well.

I haven't learned to manage dosing so i ended up having several small puffs after this peak. These small puffs didn't bring the trip back but brought an instant mood boost. This material is a great antidepressant.

I also really loved the taste of this. An alluring taste which connects jungle, plastic, gasoline, ape funk, purity and "vata" all in one.

 

[Pfafffed]

@unodelacosa I don't get much in the way of visuals from 2C-B-FLY, which seems to be typical from what I've read. The fact that my friend gets strong visuals is more of an outlier. We're taking the same, lab-verified material over the course of approximately five years. I guess it's just variance.

 

[Innerpeace]

I saw a Rick Doblin video that he described MDMA as a mix between mescaline and amphetamine . He said he chose it for legalization because it's the gentlest psychedelic. I don't consider an amphetamine gentle, of course dose dependant. Something happens where eyes can roll , serotonin depleted, and something like mesacline wouldnt do this. I ve never had a bad comedown from an esacline . I've had plenty on MDMA, 5 mapb, and 6 apb.

 

[AutoTripper]

I saw a Rick Doblin video that he described MDMA as a mix between mescaline and amphetamine . He said he chose it for legalization because it's the gentlest psychedelic. I don't consider an amphetamine gentle, of course dose dependant. Something happens where eyes can roll , serotonin depleted, and something like mesacline wouldnt do this. I ve never had a bad comedown from an esacline . I've had plenty on MDMA, 5 mapb, and 6 apb.

Hi. Actually I can personally immediately relate to that as a past dedicated psychonaut who took well over 300 grams of I will say Exstacy 96-2005, because in truth until 2000+ espec too OG nineties UK scene, I gauge overall ratio as maybe 55% MDMA, 10-12% MDA, rest MDE.

Commonly combined too,like classic white doves could be 129 mg's purest MDMA only, or....105 mg's MDMA plus 70 mg's MDE.

Some straight MDE too ofc but I think the mix facilitated something.

In UK, MDE in pills seemed to fade out, by early 2000's, but actually from 2000 uality, strength stepped up vs 96-99, vs early nineties.

Regular v pure 150 mg + pills pure MDMA.

Early 2000's the UK illegal rave scene and drug culture really trhived IME.

Parties allover.

Craaazy mass building mulri multi roomed/rigged dark but amazing London parties.


Or 4 days in large Shetland Forrest.

Or stunning remote Wales steep all ways mountain valley place, and more every weekend.


When pure Ketamine also flodded the scene then, stayed uncut until 2005 at least, again just everywhere lol.

Good acid, always decent oldskool Skunk too.

V decent coke for occasion.


And,,,,we used to LEGALLY. grow our own mushrooms then.

Take to parties.

Mate wow combo loads exstacy, big acid dose, mushrooms lots ketamine, really something else and so magical too.



But anyway, lol.


Yeah, I can go w that experience wise.

I disliked speed always, LUUUVED Exstacy.

I've forever regarded it as a hallucinogenic too, and the amphetamine like stimulation is dampened down IME but I haven't taken Exstacy since 2005 nor ever mescaline!


Re comedetc yes, MDMA. does this, Mesc not.

But it can still have a mescaline quality to it I feel.

 

[Mjäll]

I saw a Rick Doblin video that he described MDMA as a mix between mescaline and amphetamine . He said he chose it for legalization because it's the gentlest psychedelic. I don't consider an amphetamine gentle, of course dose dependant. Something happens where eyes can roll , serotonin depleted, and something like mesacline wouldnt do this. I ve never had a bad comedown from an esacline . I've had plenty on MDMA, 5 mapb, and 6 apb.

What a convoluted poser opinion...

MDMA is like 10 % a serotonin agonist and 90 % acts by simply increasing serotonin concentrations, i.e it is primarily an "empathogen" and a weaker psychedelic. Sure it's less likely to provoke a fear response than psychedelics proper. It is however not a gentler drug in any reasonable sense.

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

Ok first of all, this is a unnecessary bitch-ass comment to make. All I'm trying to do is help you out and you're sitting here criticizing me for supposedly lacking common sense. It's insulting and you could check that attitude when someone is attempting to be helpful.

I do appreciate your "TRYING" to help but literally nothing you said was helpful whatsoever....
Don't take anyone's tone on the internet as a personal attack.
One of the things I've learned in management training is that tone is very very hard to read accurately.
The example is was given was the word "yo"
That could be interpreted as a slur, compliment or just to get someone's attention.

Yes, they evaporate cleanly. And it's probably not an issue, but I think methanol especially evaporates rapidly… I do know that the standard method for laying LSD blotter is to use 80% ethanol but I don't know exactly why that seems to be the standard. Prolly just the availability of ethyl alcohol.

Besides, Idk what your level of knowledge is, but I do know that ethanol won't blind and kill someone at the 5mL and 15mL mark the way methyl alcohol will, as I'm sure you know. I was suggesting that you err on the side of caution regarding food-safe solvents, but if you know what you're doing, then why are we discussing this?


I had never heard that before. I wonder if this is true of all/most 1-substituted LSD structural analogues or just something peculiar to 1-acetyl-LSD…


Yeah no I take your meaning, I was just expressing that I doubt your drugs would degrade faster in solution.


No, not really. I don't imagine propylene glycol is very reactive. And also, consider Dr. Shulgin's quote from TiHKAL concerning the long-term storage of LSD (bold mine):

> "LSD is an unusually fragile molecule and some comments are in order as to its stability and storage. As a salt, in water, cold, and free from air and light exposure, it is stable indefinitely."​

Are you not aware of the common practice of setting an expiration date on pharmaceutical products for profit motive? Virtually all medicines don't really "go bad" (with exceptions like insulin and other things requiring refrigeration); if anything, over a very long carbon decay will make them very gradually less potent.


Hey you don't have to convince me. Also, I didn't know space was a strong determining factor for you, nor do I know the quantity you're attempting to store. Just take it easy; again – I'm only trying to help. No need to go attacking how much common sense you think I have.

Yes I understand solutions have expiration dates but 20years???
Come on man....
As far as ALD52 goes IT WAS UNIQUELY difficult to get into solution
Methanol was absolutely required.
1p, al-lad, and ETH-LAD went straight into 99% isopropyl.
Isopropyl is a fraction of the price of Everclear.
I based your assessment of common sense on the fact that you said nothing of value whatsoever to me in this thread.
Relax, I'm just a stranger on the internet....if a few questionable statements from a complete stranger makes you angry....I don't think I'm the problem.

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

No, not really. I don't imagine propylene glycol is very reactive. And also, consider Dr. Shulgin's quote from TiHKAL concerning the long-term storage of LSD (bold mine):

> "LSD is an unusually fragile molecule and some comments are in order as to its stability and storage. As a salt, in water, cold, and free from air and light exposure, it is stable indefinitely."​

To quote Shulgin in the ETHLAD entry:

I suspect that this material is rather unstable in solution, even as the tartrate in dilute saline, although I cannot guess why that should be. A few months in the dark, at zero degrees and in the absence of air, led to a very real drop in potency, measured by a control assay of a freshly made solution of the same nominal concentration.

 

[simstim]

As far as powerful psychedelics go, 2C-E is the standout of the bunch. It's miles ahead of 2C-B in that department. Also more visual, and the music/sound enhancement is the best of any drug I've ever taken, I think. I would give it a shot if you ever have the chance.

I went through a gram of 2c-e back in 2010. It makes me violently ill every time so it's not my favorite.

I would prefer 2c-i or 2c-b.

I've got 4x 1.2mg hits of 25e-NBOH dissolving under my tongue now. I actually think I like the NBOH of 2c-e better than 2c-e. There is much less nausea and less side effects like sweating and tachycardia.

 

[unodelacosa]

@unodelacosa I don't get much in the way of visuals from 2C-B-FLY, which seems to be typical from what I've read. The fact that my friend gets strong visuals is more of an outlier. We're taking the same, lab-verified material over the course of approximately five years. I guess it's just variance.

I don't think it's that much of an outlier. It seems like it's almost a bit fickle in how it hits. For me, 2C-B-FLY is pretty highly visual in that phenethylamine kinda way, and I've done the drug probably close to a dozen or so times now. I will say that I tend to dose it relatively higher than most perhaps. It also seems to synergize exceedingly well with other psychedelics in my opinion. I actually like to mix it with 2C-B to punch up the experience quite a bit and extend the effects. But hey, that's just me.

 

[Innerpeace]

What a convoluted poser opinion...

MDMA is like 10 % a serotonin agonist and 90 % acts by simply increasing serotonin concentrations, i.e it is primarily an "empathogen" and a weaker psychedelic. Sure it's less likely to provoke a fear response than psychedelics proper. It is however not a gentler drug in any reasonable sense.

Do you know who Rick Doblin is? I take it you disagree with MDMA being a mix between an amphetamine and mesacline, I think it was more a crude description,he described . Yes ,an entactogen it is. I find esacline family gentlier than entacogens I ve tried. 5 mapb solo seems gentlier, definitely rolling feeling though esp when dopamine and noradrenaline is raised .

 

[cosmic charlie]

Haven't been posting much lately, been playing Final Fantasy 7 again with all my freetime off work. They have me on 6 days a week now which is alot, but I need the money. Been doing pretty good, acted like a wacko on that 300 carts of Nitrous last weekend. My girlfriend said I was talking gibberish at one point and then stood up on the bed for no apparent reason and thankfully didn't fall on her. Don't even remember doing that which is pretty odd, I was feeling so good tho. At one point I was doing couple 5 cart ballons back to back and caught this euphoria that was fucking incredible.

The stuff is pretty addicting for me, when we get another hotel room in a couple weeks I'm just having her bring 150 carts cuz I will undoubtedly do them all. I'm really looking forward to it, I fantasize about the stuff now, when I'm in the depths of the binge I feel in complete bliss. Then afterwards I feel wonderful for days and it the best mood, it's a fantastic drug but I need to definitely slow down a bit. I thought people were bugging when they said they have done 600-1000 carts in a binge, but now I could deff see myself doing it if I allowed it.

I'd never do less then 10 carts in a go now tho, the high from that is so much better then those puny two in the balloon ones I dabbled in before. When you take in that much in a couple mins it sends you straight to the stratosphere...I know I probably sound sorta crazy to you guys but it just is what it is. I've fallen in love, Nitrous has become one of my favorite drugs. And I've tried most of them.

Do you know who Rick Doblin is? I take it you disagree with MDMA being a mix between an amphetamine and mesacline, I think it was more a crude description,he described . Yes ,an entactogen it is. I find esacline family gentlier than entacogens I ve tried. 5 mapb solo seems gentlier, definitely rolling feeling though esp when dopamine and noradrenaline is raised .

No idea who he is.

I disagree a lot with the statement that MDMA is the gentlest psychedelic.

That it is a mix between mescaline and amphetamine is not so incorrect. Kind of unnecessary but from a structural standpoint it makes sense.

I agree with you that mescaline and analogs are gentler drugs than MDMA.

The gentlest psychedelic would be a low dosed psychedelic, not a weak psychedelic that is also a powerful serotonin onslaught.

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I always knew this would be possible and my dream would be to have yeast making me lsd on tap whenever i wanted lol.

Not a weak psychedelic that is also a powerful serotonin onslaught.

Is this statement referred the esacline family of phenethylamine s?

What do you mean a powerful serotonin onslaught?

Is this statement referred the esacline family of phenethylamine s?

What do you mean a powerful serotonin onslaught?

Still referring to MDMA.

No idea who he is.

I disagree a lot with the statement that MDMA is the gentlest psychedelic.

That it is a mix between mescaline and amphetamine is not so incorrect. Kind of unnecessary but from a structural standpoint it makes sense.

I agree with you that mescaline and analogs are gentler drugs than MDMA.

The gentlest psychedelic would be a low dosed psychedelic, not a weak psychedelic that is also a powerful serotonin onslaught.

Have you tried escaline?

Have you tried escaline?

No, just mescaline and proscaline. How so?

No, just mescaline and proscaline. How so?

You mentioned mescaline analogues. Thought you might have experience. Escaline is on my soon to do radar. Bit apprehensive.

You mentioned mescaline analogues. Thought you might have experience. Escaline is on my soon to do radar. Bit apprehensive.

From my experience proscaline was a more potent version of mescaline. Very lovely. I can't say i felt any difference compared to eating cactus, except the absence of gastro discomfort. Escaline i guess would be in the middle between mescaline and proscaline, potency-wise. Just a silly guess though.

The guy i quoted (@Innerpeace ) seems to have tried escaline

From my experience proscaline was a more potent version of mescaline. Very lovely. I can't say i felt any difference compared to eating cactus, except the absence of gastro discomfort. Escaline i guess would be in the middle between mescaline and proscaline, potency-wise. Just a silly guess though.

The guy i quoted (@Innerpeace ) seems to have tried escaline

Yeah, the gastro distress was quite rough with peyote and San P. Looking forward to trying it without the purge.

I went through a gram of 2c-e back in 2010. It makes me violently ill every time so it's not my favorite.

I would prefer 2c-i or 2c-b.

I've got 4x 1.2mg hits of 25e-NBOH dissolving under my tongue now. I actually think I like the NBOH of 2c-e better than 2c-e. There is much less nausea and less side effects like sweating and tachycardia.

Well, as much as I hate idea you being ill, I'm kind of relieved to know you are not invincible after all lol.

Yeah, the gastro distress was quite rough with peyote and San P. Looking forward to trying it without the purge.

Understandably. The most important "purge" comes from the mental/spiritual session, not the indigestible plant crap.

I think you will have a great time with it. Good luck.

Btw nice username

Understandably. The most important "purge" comes from the mental/spiritual session, not the indigestible plant crap.

I think you will have a great time with it. Good luck.

Btw nice username

Have you tried dried skin powder? I bought some online sometime and have taken up to 70g I think and experienced zero stomach discomfort, MAL was heavier in that regard.

Have you tried dried skin powder? I bought some online sometime and have taken up to 70g I think and experienced zero stomach discomfort, MAL was heavier in that regard.

I haven’t. My first experience with psychedelics was with peyote buttons. It was… immersive. The San Pedro was from a harvested cactus and wasn’t much to write home about.

Understandably. The most important "purge" comes from the mental/spiritual session, not the indigestible plant crap.

I think you will have a great time with it. Good luck.

Btw nice username

Agreed.

I am looking forward to it.

Thank you.