🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

[Innerpeace]

in the 90's there were a record store and used book store that had bootleg cassettes, most of it were live shows some were unreleased studio recordings. the covers were printed on bright printer paper like this:

Looks like they made they're own tapes. I did this as well for myself, and "friends."

Smart move.

 

[Innerpeace]

Hell yeah Samurai Showdown was the shit, the way the camera would pan out and then pan back in. For a while Street Fighter II dominated the arcade market, and my brother and our friends and I would all take turns playing that (and later, Golden Eye for N64), and then Mortal Kombat came into the fray, which was cool and all – and I too played it at the bowling alley. But then the arcades in the malls all suddenly got Mortal Kombat II. And yeah we'd stand huddled around that machine as kids, blown away by the then-cutting-edge graphics and John Tobias occasionally popping up on-screen to interject with a quick, falsetto "TOASTY!"… Good times.

Street fighter two ,I remember. I remember Street fighter in the arcade. Then, for SNES. Yes, street fighter was a huge hit.

I don't know if any arcades with an hour or two distance. Mortal Kombat whoopie man, could find a new fighting scene, if I remember correctly. The test your might test made the game more interesting.

 

[Pfafffed]

The threshold is probably different from person-to-person with a good breadth of interpersonal variance. Seems to be that most schizotypal states feature an overabundance of dopamine, and this had something to do with Dr. Nichols' LSD psychosis theory


I've seen LSD psychosis three distinct times in my life. Twice it was with the woman I was dating at the time, and once it was a guy I marginally knew who was at a house party losing his shit big time. I've also seen the psychosis state come from people on MDMA twice, and I've seen it at least a dozen or more times with people on methamphetamine. I've also dealt with a family member who legit suffers from schizophrenia. And personally, I've felt compelled toward delusions of persecution, for example, but I'm fortunate that I'm able to question the validity of my statements before jumping to conclusions. For example, I'll use α-PVP or another cathinone enough from time to time until I'm hearing audio hallucinations, typically starting off as if I'm picking up, in my head, the radio frequency of a baseball game being broadcast, and I can almost make out what the announcers are saying. Later, I can compose music in my head and hear it… But I never question the fact that it is not “real”; it's just in my head.

Some people are unfortunate enough that they start seeing the ITF – the Invisible Task Force – as soon as they whiff a tiny bit of cocaine.


Lol, so true.

FWIW, the only times I've seen psychedelic psychosis were once on LSD and once on Amanita muscaria. The latter certainly throws a wrench in the dopaminergic theory

 

[cosmic charlie]

Just bought this PlayStation Classic Mini and this thing is gonna be so cool guys. I've found this guy on Etsy that is selling Moded USB drives so I will be able to jail break it easily. I've already studied the instructions and it's a snap. Once I have that USB installed it will have 8,000 games on it all of the classic Retro Games from like any console you can imagine SNES/NES/Dreamcast/Neo-Geo/Genesis/Gameboy etc... Like everything it's gonna be so dope.

I'm gonna have to wait a couple weeks to buy the Mod USB cuz I literally put 500 dollars on my credit card this week and I gotta chill. Still glad I got the Neo-Geo Classic tho cuz of the fact it's portable and I can use it in the car on long drives. But now I'm not gonna be buying the Sega/NES/SNES mini systems cuz there just won't be a point if I can buy this jailbroke USB and have like everything on the PS1. I'm so excited guys you have no idea I love all of this RetroGame stuff and now I'm gonna have everything my heart desires.

Also bought a portable Monitor this week so I can plug the systems up to the bigger screen whenever I'm at someplace I can bust everything out. I got another backpack for me to keep all of this stuff in, gonna have to bring it to work with me whenever I leave cuz I can't trust these fuckers in the Halfway House. But man oh man an I gonna have some fun toys to play around with.

 

[Pfafffed]

Just ordered this Neo-Geo mini arcade cabinet I'm super excited about it, has fourty games installed on it. Including all the Metal Slug, the King of Fighters, Samurai Showdown and Fatal Fury series and etc. It's gonna be really fun and just a cool collector's item if your into Retro Gaming stuff. Can't wait till it gets here this week.

Those things are way better than they have any right to be. I loved playing the Taito Egret II Mini

 

[Cream Gravy?]

i live in an apartment and don't even want to have my neighbors hear me moaning or singing in the weird way i like to sing in psychedelics or saying oh my god over and over again, so I go to a remote part of the woods for high dose trips

I lived in a trashy duplex where my neighbors made worse sounds than tripping sounds. I used to get weird back in college, fun times. I live in a house now but can't seem to find the time to trip. I miss shouting and being weird in my youth. Can't wait till I have loads of time and space to trip again.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

The threshold is probably different from person-to-person with a good breadth of interpersonal variance. Seems to be that most schizotypal states feature an overabundance of dopamine, and this had something to do with Dr. Nichols' LSD psychosis theory

I feel like there has to be a connection with stress, because for me it seems to amplify the psychotic-like effects of so many drugs (e.g. stimulants, cannabis, psychedelics, dissociatives). Amy Arnsten has done a lot of fascinating work showing that high levels of norepinephrine essentially take the PFC offline, although she hasn't looked at psychedelics in particular. The PFC mediates executive function and working memory, both of which are compromised in psychosis, so I think her work still validates this idea.

It's odd because usually when I take psychedelics in a relaxed setting they feel almost anti-psychotic in a way, although I don't generally push the doses and with stronger psychedelics such as LSD it does seem like that would be more of a possibility (although LSD is a dopamine agonist and Arnsten has also shown that high levels of dopamine take the PFC offline as well). Dissociatives definitely have more of these psychotic patterns of thought, but then again they have a greater capacity to release neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and dopamine, so that could explain some of it. I don't think it's the whole story because abusing dissociatives gave me residual issues (alogia, flattened affect, delusions, anhedonia, etc) that I've never really experienced from psychedelics.

@ecstacylover at the time

Never really checked out those papers but....

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Yeah but that shit can be fucking stressful, and I wake up not feeling very rested when this is the case. That's why I tend to seek suppression of REM, and cannabis is pretty helpful for this purpose. Also, 5-HTP suppresses REM and dreaming, but do note there's a rebound effect when you stop using it. People who like to explore lucid dreaming exploit this rebound property to produce ultra vivid dreams they can control (coupled with a few other techniques like dream journaling, and getting in the habit of periodically asking themselves while fully awake: "am I awake?" until the reflex occurs during a dream).

Being low on serotonin helps a lot for ultra vivid dreams as well imo. I never put in any conscious or external effort into it though.

During puberty I was very good at controlling my dreams, I was aware I was dreaming very often and was always trying to conjure up shit (probably some girls I liked :S).
If you can ask the question you can still be fooled, my goto's were looking at my hands and asking myself how did I get here.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I've always thought LSD was somewhat dopaminergic. It seems to have a very stimulating nature especially after the primary psychedelic effects begin to wane. I always enjoy it as it seems like madness, the madness of lost sleep and depleted energy reserves. But it is in the most insane feeling parts of acid trips, I feel like I gain the most. It feels like acid especially by its very nature induces a sort of disconnect from social norms and 'reality', I took some at Epcot and man I'm sure people were like "wtf is this guy on" though I kept a steady supply of alcohol in my hand to appear normal and only removed my sunglasses indoors once at the behest of my wife as she thought people would be like, "wtf is that guy on?"

It's like you feel completely different from all other beings around you yet you understand them better at the same time? I dunno. Acid is great man but it does make me sweat profusely. Especially in Florida when it's 90F outside.

Now that I think about it, there were two trips I witnessed in college that had psychosis. One was when my roommate took 5 blotters of 25i-nbome. He went straight 'word salad' and just sat in the yard and laughed, shouted, and kept repeating 'what the fuck?!' and 'oh my God!'. But we lived in that trashy duplex, no one came to question it. I tried to reassure him and he was seeing nonexistent people around the corner and such. Got him inside and he was fine after we had some beers.

Second was later at a friend's apartment, two guys were tripping and I dosed two hours later and drove over. I walk in to find my friends telling me that this one younger guy was, "Having a bad trip," and I recall I was like, I'll check it out. I go and talk to him. He was also having a 'word salad' experience of sorts. This didn't really bother me so I was like let him chill, he'll be fine. Most everyone left and I was like 'sit and watch me play Nintendo man, relax' and he took to it well and was rather quiet but not weird for a few hours. Then a bit later everyone comes back, the other tripping guy was like we need to smoke some weed. This of course threw the prior mentioned fellow into a deeper state of gibberish. I was having a fine time keeping people away from him but eventually he went to piss but left the door open, and missed the toilet a lot, and then began rolling on the ground for some reason and got piss on himself. At this point my friend whose bathroom it was began shouting at me like it was my problem, I was like dude, let's just drag him into the shower and hose him off. He insists no, he has to gtfo. So these two chicks we knew took him home and he proceeded to be weirder and get naked for no reason type shit. I guess I felt bad because I gave him the acid, he wanted it rather badly and I was fond of him. But I think the drunk people who had never tripped before really facilitated the major breakdowns. It was irksome.

 

[Innerpeace]

I know thc suppresses REM stage of sleep. 5-htp from everything Ive seen, except one pubmed study, decreases Rapid Eye Movement sleep, but many other sources say it increases R E M stage of sleep.

Google Search

 

[unodelacosa]

FWIW, the only times I've seen psychedelic psychosis were once on LSD and once on Amanita muscaria. The latter certainly throws a wrench in the dopaminergic theory

Not really. We're talking about one person's anecdotal evidence, and moreover psychosis can probably be caused by a number of different events in the brain that bring about delusions, perceptual changes, and other things that impact consciousness, which itself isn't even a fully understood phenomenon. Compounds that work as muscarinic / nicotinergic modulators are known for triggering psychedelic states, just not in the classical sense of 5-HT2A agonism/antagonism.

I've always thought LSD was somewhat dopaminergic.

LSD works on many of the G-protein-coupled receptors, including all dopamine receptor subtypes, and all adrenaline receptor subtypes. It binds to most serotonin receptor sites to some degree with the exceptions of 5-HT3 and 5-HT4 for which it has no affinity. In humans, recreational doses of LSD specifically affects 5-HT1A, 5-HT2A, 5-HT2C, 5-HT5A, and 5-HT6 receptors the most, in terms of serotonergic activity. 5-HT5B receptors, which are not present in humans, also have a high affinity for LSD. The psychedelic effects of LSD are attributed to its strong partial agonist effects at 5-HT2A receptors as specific 5-HT2A agonists are psychedelics and largely 5-HT2A specific antagonists block the psychedelic activity of LSD. Exactly how this produces psychedelia is unknown, but the theory is that it works by increasing glutamate release in the cerebral cortex and therefore excitation in this area, specifically in layers IV and V. LSD, like many other drugs, has been shown to activate DARPP-32-related pathways.

LSD affinities (lower Ki (nM) numbers = greater affinity, or i.e. less is more):

 

[Deleted member 544906]

I'm probably never taking a lysergamide again, I had a complete psychotic break on AL-LAD, that was extremely traumatizing to friends and ended up with me in the hospital (RIP). It's not traumatizing to me when sober, but it definitely cut deep when tripping. In some previous trips on lysergamides I've shown very similar tendencies and I'm almost 100% sure that it would happen again on it (out of any other drugs).

The same happened on DPT, but I was more aware that time and didn't go into full ego death, still it was hell. My brain just broke, visuals changed back to that AL-LAD trip and I was insanely hot and stimulated (probably lots of noradrenaline and dopamine being released), and then I just understand again. Benzos aren't an option I think as they would disinhibit me even more, who knows what would happen then... + once in it you can be easily be too far gone to recognize what is happening. At least for me..

Now, what happened on 2C-E here is that I started recognizing clear signs of me slipping back into it and I panicked. Those signs might've been just an illusion or a coincidence, but you can't know for sure as you slip into it without noticing. So whether or not I was that close, these things have cut too deep for me to actually make something of such states again. I think I'm always close when tripping.

Lighter psychedelics, lower doses... it will happen again. And I think that every time I go into that psychotic state it will be even easier to slip into it. I might get away with it, but with all that hanging over my shoulder, it becomes hard to freely navigate all these headspaces like before.

Maybe time heals though

Your mental health is the most important thing!

Over 10 years ago, I had a traumatic experience after taking a powerful psychedelic. It took me several years to be able to smoke weed again (but I don't smoke it anymore, except for migraines) and even longer to go back to microdosing and low dose on lysergamides / 2C-x. I don't think I'll go back to "normal" amounts one day, but that's okay.

There is no guilt involved in recognizing that a substance is not/more suitable for you. On the contrary, it is a strength to be able to recognize it and learn from it.

 

[tired of crap]

Nothing related, just doing some housework and listening to some funky beats; thought Id share this one

 

[simstim]

Well I Nexus flipped last night. 2c-b is the shit. I'm really bummed that I'm out now but super happy and satisfied that I got to try it two good times. I wouldn't trade that.

I definitely think 2c-b is the best phenethylamine psychedelic. It's my new favorite for sure and I'm looking forward to trying it again someday.

Now the only psychedelic that I have is 25e-NBOH. Not a bad trip but it's lacking something special that 2c-b has. I need to order some chems!

I'm kind of curious about 2cb-fly now. 25b-NBOH isn't really that comparable to 2c-b. All of the 2CX-NBOH that I've tried are quite different from their 2c counterparts.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah 2C-B is a very nice drug. I used to think it wasn't very deep, but the last time I took it, I had a pretty profound trip. Though most of my trips on it have been purely recreational. Also I pre-loaded with 20mg of MXE, and took 30mg... MXE greatly potentiates psychedelics if you take them while on even a small dose of it.

2C-B-fly is not a lot like 2C-B, though it has similarities. It's much less psychedelic, definitely more on the rolly side of things, though it is psychedelic. I don't get any visuals from it, I think some people have reported some visuals, though. It lasts much longer.

 

[Pfafffed]

2C-B-FLY is funny one. Most people find it to be like Xorkoth describes. I find it to be quite psychedelic, edgy and anxious. My friend loves it and finds it to be quite psychedelic, too. It's the most visual psychedelic they've ever used (which is definitely not the norm,) weirder yet because they don't get visuals from much of anything. We both find it more similar to a DOx than anything else, certainly not 2C-B. Glad to hear you enjoyed that one!

 

[simstim]

Well, thankfully 2c-b is more accessible these days than I once thought it ever would be again. My first psychedelic phen was 2c-t-2 and I thought that I would never get to try 2c-b because it was illegal already. Lately I'm seeing some supposed offerings of other 2c chemicals but I don't think I would want them after trying 2c-b. I don't know, I wouldn't mind doing 2c-i and 2c-c again. I only got to try 2c-c once because I split my small supply with a buddy.

I'm thinking of stocking up on BOD. It's no 2c-b though.

 

[Xorkoth]

As far as powerful psychedelics go, 2C-E is the standout of the bunch. It's miles ahead of 2C-B in that department. Also more visual, and the music/sound enhancement is the best of any drug I've ever taken, I think. I would give it a shot if you ever have the chance.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

I believe it was @cro0k, crooked, @cr00k whatever (can't find him, old school German PD guy), who used to IV both 2C-E and 2C-P that said that, after many years of 2C-E being his favorite phen, 2C-P was the real crown jewel in his opinion. Obviously he liked tripping very hard on both.

I think that on 2C-E in general you can never get rid of that overarching neutrality, obviously it can be quite emotional but it seems to be from a very practical vantage point. I don't know exactly what happens on high 2C-P doses, but it's obviously a very powerful drug too. And there's a ton of sound effects and visuals, and since it feels much more emotional, so maybe 2C-P could very well be the standout for some in terms of depth and recreation.

I liked 2C-P myself but I likely didn't unlock the full potential at a dose comparable to ~10-12mg oral. It's quite like DOPr actually, DOPr is very close to what you'd expect from 2C-P + the amphetamine part, except that imo the amphetamine clashes with the encompassing hypnotic/dreamy effects.

 

[Pfafffed]

All of what Buzz said. FWIW, I have yet to get much in the way of visuals from 2C-E when taken rectally, while iirc rectal 2C-B is fairly visual (although not nearly as much as intranasal.)