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That's nuts how much MDMA you do, man. I couldn't do it, I get into really dark places if I use MDMA too much. I've done it a few times in my life, for short stretches, and it fucks me over hard. I don't know how you do it.
Well this last week the pills I got were so strong that 1/3 of a pill snorted is enough to roll. So some days I might only use one pill in a night divided into three doses.

My lady friend refuses to snort anything and sometimes when she's drunk she gets real adament that she wants to pop two pills at once no matter how strong they are.

I feel like that's a huge waste of mdma.

I rarely pop a whole pill. It's so much more economical to snort 1/3-1/2 a pill and I feel like I get higher snorting them.

Mdma is so cheap too! I get mdma cheaper than I can get meth and meth is already half the price of decent coke per gram.
 
If you are concerned about your friends mental health then stop giving her the fkn pills.You might not need the break maybe she does though ...responsibility is in your domain...choose wisely
 
If you are concerned about your friends mental health then stop giving her the fkn pills.You might not need the break maybe she does though ...responsibility is in your domain...choose wisely
I'm thinking about not buying any pills this week so that we both take a break.

If I don't have any X then I know she won't take any, lol. I could use a break too.

I have 1.5 pills left. I snorted a half when I woke up a little while ago.
 
Cool! For the record, I have some (allegedly, I haven't tested it) pure harmalas (from syrian rue I believe) that is yellow crystals. To my eye, what you have looks like it could be refined further, but good job!

I've heard that caapi is actually an experience in and of itself, without having to add anything to it. But more of an internal, visionary thing. I've always been curious to try it.

Let us know how it goes! If you write trip reports, I'd urge you to write one, I haven't seen many on harmala alkaloids by themselves.

Thanks for the encouragement! Yeah i would expect something more white/yellow if it's pure. It's hard to judge the dose this way. If i've got 4g of alkaloids, i'm pleased.

It's primarily for activating D (which is leagues easier to extract btw) but i'm gonna try it solo first. If i'm lucky i've got enough for both and maybe some other combos. Also i'd like to try smoking this extract.

I tried eating 5g of syrian rue seeds many years ago resulting in an uncomfortable but interesting visionary experience. Caapi should have more harmine and less harmaline so probably less discomfort. I'll be sure to write something if i get anywhere on this :)

Does your pure extract smell like anything btw?
 
I was simply pointing out that the dose needed to get that concentration is ridiculously high and would never be achieved by normal recreational doses.

This is the same reason that all of the studies showing neurotoxicity in rodents and non-human primates for MDMA are inherently flawed. It was either IP injection or direct injection into the brain, sometimes of extremely high doses even when taking cross species allometric scaling into account.

Ah, yes, this I agree with. Sorry if it wasn't clear on my original post, english is not my native language.


The point that I'm making is you can make a reasonable assumption that the maximum concentration in the brain is going to be the dose divided by volume of water in the body.

My only issue was with this assumption, the drug is not going to be dissolved in the total water volume of the body. For starters, intracellular space makes up roughly 2/3 of the total water volume of the human body, and the drug won't get inside most cells. At peak concentration, drugs will be mostly carried by plasma. They will eventually, of course, slowly diffuse into some other tissues, and to the different excretory organs which apparently include cebatious glands which is part of the reason why some drugs end up in our hair. But they wont get literally everywhere in the body, and by the point they are the most dispersed in it, the different metabolizing enzymes have already acted upon them. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that (Dose consumed/Total water volume) is not a very good approximation of the highest concentration you will found in the brain after ingesting a given drug, because drug elimination starts as soon as it enters the bloodstream. This is the reason peak plasma concentration is usally used as a measure of a drug's bioavailability. The distribution of any given drug from the plasma to the different tissues is determined by complex factors and will vary from molecule to molecule, with some staying mostly in plasma and other venturing elsewhere, though never homogeniously throughout the body. Some drugs tend to accumulate in adipose tissue, others predominantly remain in the extracellular fluid, and some bind significantly to specific tissues.

But you are anyways completely correct about the fact that the cited In vitro study is using molar concentrations grossly above normal recreational doses. The bloodstream concentration of a drug upon ingestion is determined by several factors, including the rate and extent of absorption of the drug from the site of administration into the bloodstream, the extent to which the drug is distributed throughout the body after entering the bloodstream, the rate at which the drug is metabolized or broken down inside the body, etc...

Hope I made myself clearer this time !

Aside from substances that don't pass the blood brain barrier, can you tell me something that doesn't actually get next to every cell in your body?

Yes, individual cells do prevent certain substances from crossing the cell membrane, but we're talking about exposure to receptors.

I mean it's pretty clear that methamphetamine and MDMA and cocaine all end up in hair. Follicle hair shaft toenails fingernails all over the body. It's excreted in sweat so please explain how it doesn't get into every cell. I guess the bones don't count.

Well, most molecules we ingest won't get inside every cell type, otherwise everything would be incredibly toxic. Cell membranes are semi-permeable, but for the most part there is a complex regulation of what goes in and out of cells. Molecules don't go freely across cell membranes, even for ubiquitious stuff like glucose there are specialized transporters. Hell, even water entry into the cell is regulated. For molecules that mimic monamines in the body, like phenethylamines, the same regulation exists. Most molecules won't enter or interact with a cell if the latter doesn't have the specific receptors that allow the interaction. Drugs are designed to interact with specific targets in the body, such as cell-receptors, enzymes, or other proteins. Not all cells in the body have the same set of targets. Overall, the ability of drugs to enter and interact with different cell types depends on an interplay of factors, including the properties of the drug, the characteristics of the cell, and the specific target that the drug is designed to interact with. While some drugs may be able to interact with and enter into a wide range of cell types, others are more limited in their ability to do so.
 
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A new term for these drugs. "Psychedelic" means "mind manifesting" of course. I prefer using a Greek term tho. As previously discussed, the term "pharmakon" is a catch all drug that refers to medicines and poisons alike. As well, Plato consider words and logic to be pharmakon. A substance that creates a change, essentially, is the literal meaning.

What I propose as a new term for these drugs is GNOSTIKON. Gnosis, of course, is "to know." A Gnostikos is "one who knows." -Kon is the "genitive singular" suffix in Greek, meaning that words that end in -kon are things that GENERATE the prefix term connected to it. Therefore, a GNOSTIKON would be a "substance that generates knowledge" or "a substance that generates knowing."

The only other more appropriate term might be "noustikon." "Nous" being the term for "mind." But we already have mind, so is the substance really generating more mind? Or is it introducing more knowledge of the world into that mind?? To me, it is the latter.

Cool seeing you around, man !
 
I have always found it pretty twisted that so many of the drug trials done on animals use just absolutely disgusting levels of dosage, which doesn't even remotely replicate any sort of situation any normal human would find themselves in. What makes it twisted is, what does it even show or achieve, if it's just injecting 50 times the recreational dose directly into the brain? That's just animal abuse...
 
So today I dosed 25B-NBOH twice and I've been snorting rolex crown triple stacks.

Went to the post office earlier flipping.

Then my lady friend came over drunk. I've been snuggling with her on the couch for hours.

Here i am tripping balls, rolling, and earlier I was just holding my lady friend on the couch and laying still.

It felt amazing.

I am lucky that I met a lady that likes to do x too and snuggle when she's drunk. She even tried DOC a few weeks ago.

I don't actually know many people that take ecstacy irl anymore.

None of my old friends even want to pop rolls anymore. I don't see why!? I still do it
 
Before I found out she did x I played this song for my lady friend
You a jiggy bitch you need a jiggalator


Ah....i can hear her snoring on the couch
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I had some really vivid cannabis cessation dreams last night. Kinda threw off my feelings about a lot of things in my life. Not great really… not sure what this will do to me.

Usually I forget dreams shortly after waking up but one of them I just can’t forget. It’s really gnawing at me.
 
Stim, your drug habits are truly surprising to me. I must admit, that it causes me to take your drug recommendations with the smallest of grains of salt. my thoughts: "Oh simstim thinks ___ is a good idea? Well he also wakes up and rails 25B-NBOH or MDMA, ...maybe we don't have that much in common"
I tried MDMA. Once. 150 mg from a trusted source, but minimal effect.

I hope you stay well simstim!
 
Stim, your drug habits are truly surprising to me. I must admit, that it causes me to take your drug recommendations with the smallest of grains of salt. my thoughts: "Oh simstim thinks ___ is a good idea? Well he also wakes up and rails 25B-NBOH or MDMA, ...maybe we don't have that much in common"
I tried MDMA. Once. 150 mg from a trusted source, but minimal effect.

I hope you stay well simstim!
This time I railed both multiple times.

I really like mushrooms.
Me too!
 
Any recommendations for ways to help with being sick during an opioid taper? My friend is trying to get off their morphine script now that their incision has closed and the pain is more manageable. I've heard memantine can help, but am drawing a blank on other tools.
 
Taking Pregabalin or Gabapentin would be their best bet, that really helps decrease withdrawal symptoms pretty drastically. The best compounds for doing so aside from Memantine in my experience. You could try Loperamide also which will help take the edge off a bit, but be careful not to dose that too high as it can cause heart complications.

Id go for the Gabapentoids @Pfafffed
 
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