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🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

Quick question, I’ve been in meth slightly and I have some shrooms to do. is it ok to take them. Smoked a bowl today did a shot yesterday. My chemical structure makes me sleepy when I smoke meth but it’s diff when I shoot. Any advice pleas?
 
Ive done a combo with 4-AcO-DMT/n,n-DMT/Methamphetamine/Ketamine/GBL/DOPr

It was fantastic time but just dont do it if you've been up for like 4 days tweaking as its gonna feel shitty when you crash, i had to G myself out. But if you have enough sleep i dont think there would be any side effects or anything to worry about IMO. That being said i do quite enjoy stimulating psychedelic trips in general, like the DOx series. Im a bit of a drug pig...
 
Personally I'd leave meth out of any trip with a DOX (any stimulating psychedelic). Although I actually did combine it with LSD once now that I think about it, and had an amazing time. But I feel like the potential for things to go south is very real, and in many ways meth and psychedelics are on quite different ends of the spectrum.

But yeah, any DOX, I would definitely stay away from adding stimulants, as DOXs cause significant vasoconstriction, and so does meth, and making your hart work harder while experiencing substantial vasoconstriction isn't good for you. And the DOX family of drugs are all plenty stimulating on their own, and in a lovely, unique way, that I feel like meth would kind of muddy up or get in the way of, or alter so that you were no longer experiencing that particular, wondering type of stimulation from the 2,5 dimethoxy 4-sub amphetamines.
 
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For the future, I recommend having a small freezer box with silica in it, inside which you place your tryptamines inside amber vials. Using this method, I have kept all of my tryptamines, as well as my ETH-LAD and AL-LAD, in pristine condition for 7 or more years now. I just make sure to let the vials raise to room temperature before ever opening them, when I take them out of the freezer.
I got some trypy-dippies coming my way and I want to do a proper job storing them long term (reading about other RCs that have become illegal and inaccessible before I even knew they existed made me sad so I am stocking up a couple grams of my favorites).

Can you tell me about this in more detail? What kind of freezer box? You put the powder in the amber vials? And room temp to avoid condensation?

I had my acid in the freezer for a while but couldn’t figure out a good system to A) only take out one tab at time to avoid temp changes for the rest of the tabs and B) avoid condensation.

Are tryptamines not susceptible to temp changes? And are tryptamines not stable in a dry environment at room temperature? What about an electronic wine cellar (like a fridge), or a basement or other temperature stable room?
 
Anyone ever have the realization that you expose the body to chemical crap because you've generally been treated like crap all your life, as some sort of internalization eliminating the external threat by owning the reckless uncaring treatment and at least shifting its locus control if nothing else?

Thought, yes. Realization? I don't know. I'm personally undecided on the validity of this thought.
 
I got some trypy-dippies coming my way and I want to do a proper job storing them long term (reading about other RCs that have become illegal and inaccessible before I even knew they existed made me sad so I am stocking up a couple grams of my favorites).

Can you tell me about this in more detail? What kind of freezer box? You put the powder in the amber vials? And room temp to avoid condensation?

I had my acid in the freezer for a while but couldn’t figure out a good system to A) only take out one tab at time to avoid temp changes for the rest of the tabs and B) avoid condensation.

Are tryptamines not susceptible to temp changes? And are tryptamines not stable in a dry environment at room temperature? What about an electronic wine cellar (like a fridge), or a basement or other temperature stable room?

Is ir possible that your overthinking this? I struggle to imagine what a "system" for taking tabs out of the freezer is. Surely having the lot at room temp for a minute can't amount to considerable damage. Have you noticed condensation on tabs or is this a theoretical concern? I never had these problems with any of those types of compounds. Maybe if storing for decades it becomes a real issue but i figure any good freezer is.best practice.
 
I got some trypy-dippies coming my way and I want to do a proper job storing them long term (reading about other RCs that have become illegal and inaccessible before I even knew they existed made me sad so I am stocking up a couple grams of my favorites).

Can you tell me about this in more detail? What kind of freezer box? You put the powder in the amber vials? And room temp to avoid condensation?

I had my acid in the freezer for a while but couldn’t figure out a good system to A) only take out one tab at time to avoid temp changes for the rest of the tabs and B) avoid condensation.

Are tryptamines not susceptible to temp changes? And are tryptamines not stable in a dry environment at room temperature? What about an electronic wine cellar (like a fridge), or a basement or other temperature stable room?

I could have a better system, but I don't think it needs to be perfect. The important thing is to have some sort of box that closes, just to keep them together and away from the moving air from opening and closing the freezer. Since they're below freezing, the moisture doesn't matter. It only matters if it gets inside to the chemicals, and when you're taking them out. The standard 1 dram amber vials you can buy on Amazon are perfect, they screw on tight and keep your chems safe from air and moisture. The reason you let them raise to room temperature before opening them is because of condensation, yes. If you open them, it can get on the inside of the glass, from what I have read. But closed, it just forms on the outside, and quickly disappears when it reaches room temperature. I have never had any problems with this.

With tabs, well, with regular LSD, I just keep them in a sealed jar in a drawer in my closet, at room temperature. I have never noticed any degradation of LSD except when stored in poor conditions, like in a sandwich baggie on a shelf, or if it is stored in a damp location. If you keep air, light, and heat away, they're fine. AL-LAD and ETH-LAD, however, do degrade at room temperature. Sadly, many of my tabs, about 30-40 of each, turned dark gray after a few years being stored alongside my LSD, and the potency is notably reduced. So I decided to store them, plus my newer ones that hadn't degraded, in the freezer. But, being paper, I felt I had to go a step further to avoid the moisture from the freezer. So I bought a vacuum sealer, and sealed 10 strips into airless, sealed bags. That way, I only open up 10 at a time. I have had them stored for years, and the ones that were new and still white are still just as white as the day I got them.

Lastly, the freezer may be overkill for most of my tryptamines, but old habits die hard. Back in 2003 when I started in this game, all the tryptamines were being sold as freebases or HCL salts, and they were notoriously unstable and would degrade quickly unless kept in the cold. But since then, they are mostly fumarate or succinate salts, which seem to be shelf stable. Still, I don't trust them to be as stable as phenethylamines, so I keep them in the freezer to be safe. I also have some freebases (MPT, MiPT, DPT, MALT, EPT), which I'm quite certain would degrade rather quickly at room temperature.

I just said a lot of words to really say a couple of simple points: for long term storage of any drugs, the things you need to avoid are heat, light, moisture, and air. Tryptamines are less stable than phenethylamines, but the fumarate salts seem like they may be stable enough to make the freezer unnecessary. But as long as you keep them sealed in amber vials and only open them after they reach room temperature, you'll be all good using the freezer.
 
Anyone ever have the realization that you expose the body to chemical crap because you've generally been treated like crap all your life, as some sort of internalization eliminating the external threat by owning the reckless uncaring treatment and at least shifting its locus control if nothing else?
Short answer Yes. The goal being to cleanse and sooth the inner and try for balance. Even better if you can transcend all of the inner turmoil. That is done by bringing light to this dark subject as you are doing CT. Shine that light and transcend regardless of the outer world. Seeing is 90% of healing. Some of this stuff never comes to light with some people.

I also think the outer world is a reflection of the inner wold in a collective way. We have all kinds of animals and insects that mirror human behavior. People trap people in webs like spiders. Tigers that would claw you.. People do this to each other. I can only imagine what the outer world would look like if we were higher beings. I still envision beings much grander than humans. Angels?
 
Is ir possible that your overthinking this? I struggle to imagine what a "system" for taking tabs out of the freezer is. Surely having the lot at room temp for a minute can't amount to considerable damage. Have you noticed condensation on tabs or is this a theoretical concern? I never had these problems with any of those types of compounds. Maybe if storing for decades it becomes a real issue but i figure any good freezer is.best practice.
Nope not over thinking. Condensation happens fast. Temperature change is a problem for lsd. I’ve had lsd lose quality over time from taking 50 tabs in and out of the freezer and cutting them off for use and putting them back. Also every time you do so moisture accumulâtes on the cold surface due to condensation. It’s a thing. So for now I keep all my lsd analogs room temp in a cool room, waiting for a better system.
 
I could have a better system, but I don't think it needs to be perfect. The important thing is to have some sort of box that closes, just to keep them together and away from the moving air from opening and closing the freezer. Since they're below freezing, the moisture doesn't matter. It only matters if it gets inside to the chemicals, and when you're taking them out. The standard 1 dram amber vials you can buy on Amazon are perfect, they screw on tight and keep your chems safe from air and moisture. The reason you let them raise to room temperature before opening them is because of condensation, yes. If you open them, it can get on the inside of the glass, from what I have read. But closed, it just forms on the outside, and quickly disappears when it reaches room temperature. I have never had any problems with this.

With tabs, well, with regular LSD, I just keep them in a sealed jar in a drawer in my closet, at room temperature. I have never noticed any degradation of LSD except when stored in poor conditions, like in a sandwich baggie on a shelf, or if it is stored in a damp location. If you keep air, light, and heat away, they're fine. AL-LAD and ETH-LAD, however, do degrade at room temperature. Sadly, many of my tabs, about 30-40 of each, turned dark gray after a few years being stored alongside my LSD, and the potency is notably reduced. So I decided to store them, plus my newer ones that hadn't degraded, in the freezer. But, being paper, I felt I had to go a step further to avoid the moisture from the freezer. So I bought a vacuum sealer, and sealed 10 strips into airless, sealed bags. That way, I only open up 10 at a time. I have had them stored for years, and the ones that were new and still white are still just as white as the day I got them.

Lastly, the freezer may be overkill for most of my tryptamines, but old habits die hard. Back in 2003 when I started in this game, all the tryptamines were being sold as freebases or HCL salts, and they were notoriously unstable and would degrade quickly unless kept in the cold. But since then, they are mostly fumarate or succinate salts, which seem to be shelf stable. Still, I don't trust them to be as stable as phenethylamines, so I keep them in the freezer to be safe. I also have some freebases (MPT, MiPT, DPT, MALT, EPT), which I'm quite certain would degrade rather quickly at room temperature.

I just said a lot of words to really say a couple of simple points: for long term storage of any drugs, the things you need to avoid are heat, light, moisture, and air. Tryptamines are less stable than phenethylamines, but the fumarate salts seem like they may be stable enough to make the freezer unnecessary. But as long as you keep them sealed in amber vials and only open them after they reach room temperature, you'll be all good using the freezer.
Thanks for the infos, I appreciate it. I will consider it all, though I have tryptamine fumarates having discovered them recently enough to have never seen other less stable forms. I will look into those specific amber vials. Since Covid I’ve been collecting silica packs and have built up quite a collection that I bury my drugs in these days!

Btw to access your tryptamines from their vials do you use a micro spoon like what comes with stevia? Maybe I’ll be able to find an old chemist spoon in a flea market…
 
Short answer Yes. The goal being to cleanse and sooth the inner and try for balance. Even better if you can transcend all of the inner turmoil. That is done by bringing light to this dark subject as you are doing CT. Shine that light and transcend regardless of the outer world. Seeing is 90% of healing. Some of this stuff never comes to light with some people.

I also think the outer world is a reflection of the inner wold in a collective way. We have all kinds of animals and insects that mirror human behavior. People trap people in webs like spiders. Tigers that would claw you.. People do this to each other. I can only imagine what the outer world would look like if we were higher beings. I still envision beings much grander than humans. Angels?

Angels huh? I'm remembered of the Annie Lennox 80ies song featuring them. But she did a much better one, imho. I've been listening the following track on repeat since a couple of months now. The synth is just so uniquely mesmerizing.



On the topic of angels though, I find it a bit weird we look for creatures which seem to have our biology in common, yet not our overbearing worry 'n pettiness. Plants perfectly suffice on that accord. Instead of looking up the skies, look in nature. There we can find the true angels.
 
Decided to drop 236mg of DXM, which should be 3rd plateau, into my party. Let's see how it goes.
I am a little jealous. The first time I heard of DXM was in 1995 when I first got online. Maybe Erowid or Lycaeum. I thought I was being punked as there was this subculture of people that used this OTC drug and it caused a trip. All this time I wanted to give it a shot but when I get time for a trip I usually need one of the classics. I never got around to it. Enjoy D.

@Img_9999 wishing you many happy years and many blessings. You can feel your happiness through the post.
 


Two songs. I'd honour coherency, but alas separate occurrences of these songs are inferior.

Song 1: despair hangover and ecstacy
Song 2: do you really wanna go back in time?
 
Angels huh? I'm remembered of the Annie Lennox 80ies song featuring them. But she did a much better one, imho. I've been listening the following track on repeat since a couple of months now. The synth is just so uniquely mesmerizing
Yeah man I like that. Below I put a link of Annie doing a Bob Marley song. She can belt it out. The link wont' link so I just gave the URL.

Angels, Timothy Wylie (big psychedelic and dissociative guy) wrote a book called Ask Your Angels. This is the same guy in Hamilton's PCP episode. He considers them non human intelligent life forms. (same as Dolphins) Interesting. Not sure what I believe but I could logically understand that.

 
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Got ten grams of FXE, looks nice right 😍
 
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