🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

[Delsyd]

Nice. I recently repurchased both the Shulgin books as my old copies had gotten wet and rotten. Great books although the section written in PIHKAL by Anne is cringworthy.

Have you read the book "Heads"? History of psychedelic subculture of the US largely focused on the Dead and Deadheads. Great read, check it out if you haven't already...

Heads is a fun read. I’m reading it for the second time now. I like how it takes a bunch of real events in psychedelic history and weaves it into a story.
The author of the book is a head, he’s hosted podcasts about Grateful Dead and Phish, and written other books and articles, mostly about music.

 

[Psychestim]

Shortly after that i managed to get 500mgs of 2C-E and 500mgs of 2C-T-7 and i began my true journey into these chems and had one of the best years of my life with Laika.

I remember you saying you have tried a combination of 2C-E and 2C-T-7 once, can you remind me of your experience again? I think it was a ++++? I am curious about how they synergized, could you still discern their unique characters or did they just form a hybridized psychedelic blob? Any advice on timing and dosage and the ratio of the two? Was thinking 18mg 2C-T-7 + 8mg 2C-E but I’m up for recommendations. Any worrisome side-effects I should know of?

 

[iom]

Finding this forum after over 12 years of absence (and over 11 years of psychedelic abstinence) has been quite a trip indeed. I had actually forgotten having posted here altogether, and then while reading one of the threads here, I saw one of my own posts. So then I had to search for my own post history, and this brought up all kinds of wonderful memories. I didn't remember writing any of these posts, but I remembered much about what inspired me to write.

Most of my activity was actually more like 19 years ago. I have no idea if anyone here remembers me from then. Maybe Xorkoth, who I think had a different handle?

Anyway, I'll have to elaborate some other time on why I stopped and what it is that's compelling me to return to psychedelics.

 

[cosmic charlie]

I remember you saying you have tried a combination of 2C-E and 2C-T-7 once, can you remind me of your experience again? I think it was a ++++? I am curious about how they synergized, could you still discern their unique characters or did they just form a hybridized psychedelic blob? Any advice on timing and dosage and the ratio of the two? Was thinking 18mg 2C-T-7 + 8mg 2C-E but I’m up for recommendations. Any worrisome side-effects I should know of?

Well it was a longtime ago now about 15yrs so its hard to say exactly. But i know for sure that i started with 20mgs of 2C-E insufflated followed about two hours later when Laika arrived 20mgs of 2C-T-7 and then we both vomited and i were tripping very hard, especially me. And then we went out into my backyard in the garden and sat amongst the plants.

This was when i merged with the Universe and became one with my surrounding, had an incredible euphoria surging through me. Then had an out of body experience, the visuals were out of this world. Maybe 5hrs later we each sniffed 20mgs of 2C-E and drove to the beach to watch the sunset and waves break on the ocean, it was so beautiful.

Id felt like the drugs synergized wonderfully, alot of what we did that day was pretty dangerous especially sniffing the T-7 and then later on driving while we were tripping. But the day was fantastic, one of the best of my life. Back then i used to sniff 2C-x alot, it wasnt the best move cuz your pretty much guaranteed to puke on the come up and it just hurts so badly.

 

[Psychestim]

Well it was a longtime ago now about 15yrs so its hard to say exactly. But i know for sure that i started with 20mgs of 2C-E insufflated followed about two hours later when Laika arrived 20mgs of 2C-T-7 and then we both vomited and i were tripping very hard, especially me. And then we went out into my backyard in the garden and sat amongst the plants.

This was when i merged with the Universe and became one with my surrounding, had an incredible euphoria surging through me. Then had an out of body experience, the visuals were out of this world. Maybe 5hrs later we each sniffed 20mgs of 2C-E and drove to the beach to watch the sunset and waves break on the ocean, it was so beautiful.

Id felt like the drugs synergized wonderfully, alot of what we did that day was pretty dangerous especially sniffing the T-7 and then later on driving while we were tripping. But the day was fantastic, one of the best of my life. Back then i used to sniff 2C-x alot, it wasnt the best move cuz your pretty much guaranteed to puke on the come up and it just hurts so badly.

If you were to do it again would you use equal amounts of them again? 2C-E is much stronger for me so I wondered if I should use a 3:2 ration 2CT-7/2C-E. They have a similar duration too so I probably would take the mixture at the same time.

 

[ions]

Had lots of weed. A quarter tab of acid bump of k might do some shrooms.

 

[cosmic charlie]

If you were to do it again would you use equal amounts of them again? 2C-E is much stronger for me so I wondered if I should use a 3:2 ration 2CT-7/2C-E. They have a similar duration too so I probably would take the mixture at the same time.

Probably not, i would dose lower now probably and take it orally. Maybe something like 15mgs of 2C-E and 20mgs of 2C-T-7 at the sametime would be pretty amazing, but very strong obviously. Id be fine tho and enjoy it for sure. T-7 isnt really all that potent especially compared to 2C-E but if you throw them into a combo together its fonna synergize. Im sure you will love it.

 

[Xorkoth]

Well i gave a couple of BL Mods some of that Acid and boy oh boy did they trip hard off two blotters. She saw god and everything, kind of lost her mind for one portion of the trip. But loved the experience nonetheless and wants to do it again. Honestly i think they are way stronger than advertised and that is what through me off about them at first. Like honestly if they are 250ugs a piece it wouldnt surprise me. Which is why the duration is so long when you take multiple hits.

Just wanted to say for the benefit of people reading: he had an in-person visit from a couple of BL mods who were road tripping. Nobody is sending BL mods drugs, lol. This sentence could be misconstrued easily.

My first and only extraction of the root bark. ~10 years ago, ~10 grams

Nice, looks like you did a great job for your first time. Easy as hell, right?

Most of the DMT I come across is pink crystals for some reason. Which makes me wonder... What do you think is stronger white DMT or pink DMT ? I guess it's just how it's processed.

Back in I think 2006, a vendor briefly stocked synthetic DMT (ie, not extracted but synthesized), and it made the rounds. It was pink, which we all found really interesting, because all extracted DMT that I'm aware of is yellow, when it's not purified (pure DMT is white, or clear when grown into perfect crystals). The pink would be due to trace impurities (not to say that means it's not high quality, even like 0.0001% of some reactants or whatever can cause quite a noticeable color).

It's possible there's a plant source that has some fats or other compounds in it that are red, and could cause a pink color in trace remnasnts. But definitely also possible someone is making synthetic DMT. Not sure why, since it's so easy to extract.

In any case I don't think it's anything to worry about.

Finding this forum after over 12 years of absence (and over 11 years of psychedelic abstinence) has been quite a trip indeed. I had actually forgotten having posted here altogether, and then while reading one of the threads here, I saw one of my own posts. So then I had to search for my own post history, and this brought up all kinds of wonderful memories. I didn't remember writing any of these posts, but I remembered much about what inspired me to write.

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Hey there, welcome back! It's always great to see somebody from "the before times" come back to us. Makes my day.

Most of my activity was actually more like 19 years ago. I have no idea if anyone here remembers me from then. Maybe Xorkoth, who I think had a different handle?

I've always had the same handle, and joined in Feb 2006. Actually I did change my name for about 6 months, but only because I was going through a divorce and trying to avoid possible nastiness... changed it to Shadowmeister in 2018, then straight back to Xorkoth because nothing else felt right.

We still have a few old schoolers around. I know @Delsyd has been here since like 2001 I believe... with a different name (Cat Again). @swilow recently came back too which I'm so happy about that I have a joy boner

 

[Img_9999]

That's real interesting to hear about "Tusi" @Img_9999 too bad it's just bunk shit
Good luck getting sorted in europe.

Man, Tusi is a really weird phenomenon. It actually got so popular in some places in South America that pretty mainstream "urban" musicians started singing about it in reggaeton songs.

Spoiler: Music spam incoming to exemplify what I'm talking about:

This song has like 100M reproductions in YouTube, which is huge for a Chilean artist, and the first line of the chorus is "Snort some tussi"


Or this one, with some of the most well known artists in South American reggaeton singing about tussi LOL


This one from the trendiest Mexican artist atm, "Rosa" (pink) is a way to refer to Tussi:


This one I find especially hilarious, the name would translate to "entussiastic" LOL

I can't wrap my head around how and why someone thought that selling something else as 2C-B would be a lucrative strategy but somehow it worked? Despite most people not knowing what is 2C-B ? Maybe even because most people didn't know. I think that shit started in Colombia, they were selling it over there as "pink cocaine", and they were saying something along the lines of it being some fancy shit they brought from europe ... Funnily enough this is linked a bit with what Charlie mentioned a few posts back about pink 2C-B HBr. Maybe at some point, what they were selling in colombia as "pink cocaine" was actually 2C-B, but they quickly figured people didn't care a lot about what they were getting, it was "a new drug" after all, and started mixing whatever drugs and selling it under the same brand.

Later the name Tussi caught on and it started being sold everywhere in south america, at least in Chile it got extremely popular as a party drug at some point. At first nobody knew for sure what it was. Later I started reading the data coming from forensic analysis from drug raids and such, and it was always ketamine mixed in with some sort of stimulant, usually caffeine or amphetamines, but sometimes MDMA, sometimes it was cocaine. The worst part is that they are also putting some sort of color additives into it, which I find so stupid lol. Because the original mythos was that there was this fancy designer drug called "pink cocaine", they were cutting the shit with something to make it look pink. Later other "brands" started coming out with different colors. Funnily enough, I heard from someone that the stuff is also being sold here in Europe in some places, including the Netherlands (which is also, allegedly, why the video for the song "Rosa Pastel" I linked above was filmed in Amsterdam), and its supposedly coming from Mexico/Colombia. Ironic full circle considering that the stuff that was being sold as an export from Europe is now being imported there.

And although the whole thing is kinda interesting and funny, it really is some pretty shitty drug dealing strategy. I hate it actually, it represents all I feel is wrong with the drug market. Some weird cocktail of drugs being misrepresented as something else, a universe of buyers that don't really care what they are getting as long as they can get high off it, artists glorifying and romanticizing this shit, the absolute gamble that comes with buying something as unreliable as that... And also it angers me that people even think it's worth buying that shit, ketamine is extremely cheap in South America, and people are basically paying extra money to get it mixed with random stuff and cut to shit. The whole of it is stupid, I have ranted IRL for hours about it with friends, but no one seems to get how much it frustrates me lol, they just trust my opinion not to touch the stuff and get whatever instead.



Anyway, thanks for the good wishes. If I remember correctly you also changed location semi-recently? Hope all is going great for you.​

 

[cosmic charlie]

Just wanted to say for the benefit of people reading: he had an in-person visit from a couple of BL mods who were road tripping. Nobody is sending BL mods drugs, lol. This sentence could be misconstrued easily.



Nice, looks like you did a great job for your first time. Easy as hell, right?



Back in I think 2006, a vendor briefly stocked synthetic DMT (ie, not extracted but synthesized), and it made the rounds. It was pink, which we all found really interesting, because all extracted DMT that I'm aware of is yellow, when it's not purified (pure DMT is white, or clear when grown into perfect crystals). The pink would be due to trace impurities (not to say that means it's not high quality, even like 0.0001% of some reactants or whatever can cause quite a noticeable color).

It's possible there's a plant source that has some fats or other compounds in it that are red, and could cause a pink color in trace remnasnts. But definitely also possible someone is making synthetic DMT. Not sure why, since it's so easy to extract.

In any case I don't think it's anything to worry about.

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Hey there, welcome back! It's always great to see somebody from "the before times" come back to us. Makes my day.



I've always had the same handle, and joined in Feb 2006. Actually I did change my name for about 6 months, but only because I was going through a divorce and trying to avoid possible nastiness... changed it to Shadowmeister in 2018, then straight back to Xorkoth because nothing else felt right.

We still have a few old schoolers around. I know @Delsyd has been here since like 2001 I believe... with a different name (Cat Again). @swilow recently came back too which I'm so happy about that I have a joy boner

This is correct they came to visit me and took me out to eat at a diner and bought me a delicious lunch. I had a french dip which is one of my favorite sandwiches in the whole world. Id given them a little gift of 4 blotters of very strong LSD and a gram of FXE cuz im such nice guy. It was great to meet these BLers ive seen on the forum over the years.

Ive probably met about twenty or so BLers over the years, some of the best people ive ever known. They end up being such great friends because they truly understand me, to a degree most people i meet in daily life never could.

Many BLers live in the North East which is pretty cool, believe it or not my best friend who sadly passed away only lived a couple towns over from where i grew up, so we spent alot of time together. He brought me some LSD the first time we met and we smoked Cannabis a tripped under the stars, magical night indeed.

 

[Xorkoth]

Hey, so since we are allowed to discuss sources for HR supplies, I'll ask here... anyone have any tips for the best place to get the standard reagents? At a price that isn't a total rip-off? Been a long time since I had reagents and mine are no good, probably years past the end of their life. I am probably going to take a leap and get a gram of 2C-I, but definitely want to at least reagent test it when it arrives.

 

[ions]

Reagent test kits?
or reagents like precursors?
@Xorkoth

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

Hey, so since we are allowed to discuss sources for HR supplies, I'll ask here... anyone have any tips for the best place to get the standard reagents? At a price that isn't a total rip-off? Been a long time since I had reagents and mine are no good, probably years past the end of their life. I am probably going to take a leap and get a gram of 2C-I, but definitely want to at least reagent test it when it arrives.

Sorry, the ones I've seen were over the moon in terms of cost.

@cosmic charlie et al

by @ions

Reagent test kits?
or reagents like precursors?

Good Question !
Not precursor or anything to do with synthesis but detection of chemical type: ie Lysergimide, etc. was his request

So you get at least an idea of what your taking.

Lysergic reagant kits

 

[psy997]

Hey everyone, long time no see. I'm popping in after having had an actual psychedelic experience last night, for the first time in quite a while, and one of maybe five in the last six years. I've used a lot of Ketamine and DXM in the past few years, but very little psychs past micro-dosing.

Anyways, yesterday I plugged 15mg DPT + 3-5mg 4-HO-MiPT + 15mg MXPr about an hour after taking 240mg DXM freebase (=312mg HBR like everyone always discusses dosages in). Wow, it was beautiful, and I'm planning on doing the same again next weekend when I have the time. The experience began with me sitting in the sun reading Tom Robbins' Still Life with Woodpecker. 5-10min after I started to feel it and effects became quite noticeable, I found myself melting into the sunlight, held in a half-erotic bliss. There seemed to be rotating, or spiraling, elements all throughout my vision, each of which had a certain entity-esque feeling that I quickly realized felt like a kind of sensual, erotic, feminine dance lulling me into letting go into pleasure and peace. Unfortunately, my outdoors sunbathing spot is decently public, and I resisted fully letting go. But wow, it was gorgeously rich, warm, and sensual. Deep and saturated oranges and purples.

My 1-2 previous experiences with DPT were some of the most profound, in an ultimately negative way, psychedelic experiences I've had, so I really enjoyed the way it's natural inclinations were tempered and adjusted by the other chemicals in the mix.

Well, it's fun reading posts from everyone. I hope all are well

Actually, I think my DMT vaping method is sub-par because I've only ever been able to reach what I think is a break-through twice, the rest of the times I'm like so close to it, having beautiful fractal geometric CEVs, but I'm still completely aware of my surroundings and then it fades fast and suddenly. But anyways, I've tried various methods. Two different types of oil-burners, smoking it from a pipe/bong sandwiched with non-active herbs, and sprinkling it inside a joint lol. Surprisingly I've gotten the best results with the sandwiching method. I bought a regular weed glass pipe and put a layer of jazmin tea, the dmt, and another layer of jazmin tea. Then I burn it slowly and carefully and fill my lungs as much as I can.

But yeah, I haven't had the most success vaping it so I'm not the best for giving advice on this, lol.

Sandwiching has always been the most effective method for me. I had friends that bought vaporizers made specifically for DMT that were always significantly worse experiences. Where did you get the jasmine tea idea from? I was talking about jasmine tea sandwiching back in 2012-13, that's my go-to :D

 

[Delsyd]

Hey, so since we are allowed to discuss sources for HR supplies, I'll ask here... anyone have any tips for the best place to get the standard reagents? At a price that isn't a total rip-off? Been a long time since I had reagents and mine are no good, probably years past the end of their life. I am probably going to take a leap and get a gram of 2C-I, but definitely want to at least reagent test it when it arrives.

I don’t know how it compares in price to other places but Bunk Police have a good variety of reagent tests.

 

[Delsyd]

Back in I think 2006, a vendor briefly stocked synthetic DMT (ie, not extracted but synthesized), and it made the rounds. It was pink, which we all found really interesting, because all extracted DMT that I'm aware of is yellow, when it's not purified (pure DMT is white, or clear when grown into perfect crystals). The pink would be due to trace impurities (not to say that means it's not high quality, even like 0.0001% of some reactants or whatever can cause quite a noticeable color).

It's possible there's a plant source that has some fats or other compounds in it that are red, and could cause a pink color in trace remnasnts. But definitely also possible someone is making synthetic DMT. Not sure why, since it's so easy to extract.

The pink stuff being sold today is advertised as synthetic and 99% pure.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Would love to get my hands on some of that so i could inject it, ive been wanting to do that for years. Id finally get my ultimate break thru experience, using IV Psilacetin was incredible but not something you would wanna do often. Actually working yourself psychologically to push the plunger down takes some mental gymnastics.

Mean i go thru the same thing smoking DMT but obviously not to the same degree. When you inject psychedelics its like going on a rollercoaster, it hits so hard you get plastered back in the bed i usually do it in a sitting position on the mattress so i can just throw the syringe and lay backwards.

Then you are just blasted with fractals and geometric shapes, and have this sense of speed as your moving through hyperspace. Complete dissolution of the ego, like i wont even know what consciousness was like before this. Its so alien, and beautiful and complex...so hard to put into words that do it justice.

Id expect IV DMT to be very similar to this but shorter in duration which is good thing when it comes to this sorta tripping. Ive had an IV Psilactein trip that became dysphoric at one point and it was a serious ride for hours. Id also dosed an incredibly large amount 75mgs, my trips on 20mgs were so much better. Its just that i wanted to see how far this could go, and i found out for damn sure.

With synthetic DMT id start with a 35mg injection...then work my way up from there in 10mg increments until i hit the point where its super profound but without any dysphoria or unwanted effects.

 

[pharmakos]

Self-administration without a trip sitter is only okay up to a point Charlie.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Yeah for sure that would be the best way to go about it but in the last situation i lived in an apartment alone. Just locked the door and threw on music and went for it. When i came out of it i was still in the bed and tripping super heavily. In the future tho i would deff have my girlfriend, future wife with me.

Honestly tho i could probably get her on board with an IM shot, tho needle in the vein thing would give her anxiety. Im just gonna have to explain to her about how im probably gonna go catatonic but physically i am fine, just somewhere else in my mind. She has seen me holing on Dissos for years now tho so will understand that.

Wish i had a video camera on me for that 75mg trip, tho i bet it wouldnt be that eventful to watch. But yeah if anyone ever decides to IV a psychedelic it is best to have someone around, what i did was definitely risky if i got up and about and fell for instance. On the 20mg shots i felt really good tho and didnt blackout or anything, it felt just like smoking DMT. Snorting Psilacetin is similar but with an extended duration and slower comeup, very fun times.

 

[iom]

Hey there, welcome back! It's always great to see somebody from "the before times" come back to us. Makes my day.

This is what I hoped, and I thank you for the warm welcome. It means a lot to me, especially right now at the end of what has been an extremely sad day for me on 5 mg of 2C-E.

I'm still working on a long report, and I'm not sure whether I will post it because it's really quite personal and is as much about the health problems I experience as about the trip itself. I had been looking forward to future dosing at 10 and 15 mg and having a "full" trip, but I got way more than I bargained for with only 5. My body briefly went haywire during the onset, and I experienced an intense rush. The worst of it, during which I was very nauseous, only lasted 2 minutes, but that was enough time for sweat to be literally pouring off my body. I don't even want to think what that would have been like if I'd opted to snort or plug instead of oral.

Afterwards, I was physically fine. My body did all the usual coming up stuff I had expected from this dose---some chills and mild tremors, but the emotions that came up right after the onset haunted me for the rest of the trip and contributed a lot of psychosomatic discomfort. The bigger issue is that I don't know to what extent that body shock was psychosomatic or a physiological response to the drug entering my bloodstream. My body is damaged in unspecified ways by COVID and/or COVID-induced autoimmunity (I lean toward autoimmune because of my own history.) Some of the symptoms from that which I experience could be classified as dysautonomia, a kind of umbrella term for "your body struggles to maintain homeostasis, and doctors have no idea why". Thankfully I don't suffer as much as many do, and most of my original symptoms have diminished or gone into remission, but I still have a weird problem in that my body seems prone to dumping a lot of adrenaline into my blood shortly after I eat a substantial meal. Something similar but more severe may happen when psychedelics or other drugs with vascular activity enter my bloodstream. I don't know how much of a health risk there is from this sort of thing, but regardless, today's incident was a really harsh way to start a trip. I can't even imagine what higher doses will do.

Edit: To be clear, the emotions I dealt with in the trip were not all nor mostly caused by the rough onset. The emotions were to do with the reason I quit psychedelics for over a decade. It's possible that the body shock was a kind of emotional sentry response, hence a physically manifest psychosomatic response. I don't know. I do know that I have a lot of emotions to process, and 5 mg 2C-E broke down a lot of my defenses.