☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread 2022-2023 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

[arrall]

MXE, 2C-EF, 2C-T-2/7/14/21, Aleph 1 & 2, TMA-6, DOI, & 2C-SE.
The only one on that list that I’ve tried is MXE.

I also never got to try 3-MeO-PCP and would love to try that one, though it really pushes the definition of psychedelic.

 

[Mjäll]

DiPT is still widely available on the gray market.

Well, at least not practically accessible to me since i'm not savvy enough to order illegal stuff from abroad. There's a big difference from when it wasn't classified yet, and there's no established mainstream appeal (although i believe it's a really fun drug for almost everyone).

But good to hear

 

[swilow]

I recall finding DiPT kinda unpleasant. I only took 4-5 times but my ears would feel really full and pressurised and hyper sensitive to sound. High pitched sounds would cause a kind of thumping echo in my ears, like my eardrums were hearing themselves compress under sound waves. The aural effects gave me anxiety, but that was at a stage where every psychedelic was prone to that. I would probably try it again though. Odd that it's available while classic goodies of the 2C-X class aren't.

Speaking of that, 7mg of 5-meO-MiPT last eve was very pleasant after not having it for many years.

 

[Xorkoth]

I will say that the audio effects are so profound (for me) that I would probably be more hard pressed to act or behave normally than I would on almost any other psychedelic (besides something like DMT, or ibogaine, where it's impossible to even understand what's happening outside of the drug). Not everyone seems to get as profound an alteration of sound, but for me, human voices sounded like robot frogs, and it was like I was deaf, but could hear overtones, or something.

I got a distinct movement and pressure in my inner ear... it felt like part of my inner ear actually moved, I distinctly felt it move as the sounds began to really start to shift. It was weird and very physical. I was rather disturbed by how long the hearing changes lasted, too... like 3 times as long as the mental effects, or more. 24 hours later and there were still hints of it, the first time, I started to get worried that something was damaged or wouldn't return to normal.

I found the headspace fairly euphoric and certainly psychedelic, but most of the wildness of the mental state came from how insanely altered the world appeared simply due to my hearing, while my visual field was utterly unchanged. It tripped me out, like I wasn't real or something. Hard to explain. If all the same effects were there but my hearing had been unchanged, it would have been a run of the mill, rather weak and functional trip, but the audio effects took it to a truly unique and weird place. I found it highly enjoyable, but possibly largely because of the novelty. I have taken it 2 other times, once again at the same dose (50mg) but during a period of strong perma-tolerance, and it was much weaker both in mental and audio effects, and another time without tolerance, many years later, at 30mg, and I only experienced some pitch lowering, and it felt threshold.

Speaking of that, 7mg of 5-meO-MiPT last eve was very pleasant after not having it for many years.

Love that stuff

 

[swilow]

Love that stuff

It's soooo nice, eh? I was so high and centred and felt more comfortable in my body than I have in ages. And now I have that sweet golden afterglow where I feel like something really pleasant and positive happened and I'm satisfied. It could be the perfect psychedelic. I will next try a larger dose.

The last 2 trips I had with lysergamides were sort of strange in that towards the tail end, I started to feel opioid withdrawal symptoms. Chills, weird guts, anxious, aching. I hadn't altered my opioid dose although I was due to take it- but i don't normally get interdose wd, just mild anxiety in the morning. But this trip, I just felt smooth and relaxed. I wonder if any opioid users have found anything similar with lysergamides. I cannot think of a pharmacological reason, and of course anxiety and opioid wd share traits, but the weirdness definitely went within hours of my dose. Thankfully today there was nothing like that.

 

[Xorkoth]

Hmm, no, can't say that I have found that with lysergamides. But I hesitate to say it was coincidence, if it happened twice. Odd... and unfortunate.

Yeah 5-MeO-MiPT is among my favorites. The come-up can be a bit jangly sometimes, but it's just so nice, calm, centered, happy, often quite euphoric, and I'm still very able to function and interact. I haven't taken it above 12mg, at that level it was more psychedelic and had a heavier bodyload. I have read a few reports claiming that at 20+mg it becomes deeply psychedelic with ego loss, powerful visuals, etc, but also very heavy bodyload. Perhaps because of those reports, as well as my 10 and 12mg experiences both having a marked increase in bodyload, I have always kept it at 8mg or under. Usually I dose 6mg, and I find it perfect.

 

[swilow]

I found the comeup okay, but maybe it was so in relation to the ETH-LAD which was actually quite alarming! For that chem, I could just feel kinda distinct stages of increasing tripppiness but strictly quantised so I would just smack upwards into a more intense phase really abruptly. Maybe it hit harder as I hadn't eaten for a few hours, but it actually set the trip up for being one I was quite resistant to for the first few hours at least. Ime, that sort of resistance never leads anywhere good and it's absolutely pointless too. I just kept thinking oh fuck I've got hours of this to go

With ETHLAD, my cat was incredibly sceptical of me. Last night, she picked up my vibes and was like okay, let's get on that lap right now We had a good multi hour bonding session. I just felt amazed that an animal was interacting with me, a discrete little nexus of conscious experience sharing in reality. She's a great companion.

Tonight, I will drink some kava and make music

 

[porkstock]

Hey blue light crew! I haven't been on here in awhile, but was browsing the social threads and figured I'd say hi.

I've been doing a lot of hiking this year - almost hiked every single weekend, but I've missed a couple. I was also just given a $600 Trek bike for free, so I am gonna be doing a lot more biking. And my other hobby that has really taken off in the last year is Cornhole! There are tournaments almost every night of the week, I usually just do one per week. And then a more relaxed time every Saturday night at my neighbor's.

Coming up on 18 months since my last psychedelic. Very hard to find the time these days, and when I do...it's also a bit difficult to break through my nervous apprehension to actually dosing. When I used to trip much more frequently, it was never a daunting thing to think about. But now, it just feels like there is a mental barrier for me to get through, and I will find a good reason NOT to trip.

 

[Img_9999]

I have always kept it at 8mg or under. Usually I dose 6mg, and I find it perfect.

Same for me, 6/7 mg is my preferred dose. Over 8 mg I start getting too much bodyload and a jittery come-up.

 

[Shady's Fox]

 

[tired of crap]

Same for me, 6/7 mg is my preferred dose. Over 8 mg I start getting too much bodyload and a jittery come-up.

Ive taken up to 16 mg ... and I agree the bodyload becomes unpleasant. However, on a few occasions I have mixed higher doses with a few beers and it's really seemed to help with the bodyload and increase the social aspect. ~12mg and a few drinks "*chefs kiss*

But without a few drinks I agree 6/7mg and some weed is my preferred dose
I just eyeball the dose, as I had buddy scale it all out for me when he worked in the lab at the Uni lol... but he cba to scale out the whole thing in ~6mg doses so he doubled em ... so they are 14-16mg and I either just divide em, or if I know ill be using the second half soon use volumetric measures with some vodka or so

 

[Mjäll]

Just started acquainting myself and my partner with my caapi extract. It seems to work, inducing mild antidepressant and general serotonergic effects along with some gastrointestinal symptoms and slight vertigo (for my partner). Curiously the aroma is strongly reminiscent of malt and breakfast cereal. Alkaloid bitterness becomes apparent with large amounts, but it's fine to just chew on it almost like a condiment. Maybe a substantial amount of sodium acetate (from neutralization of acetic acid and NaOH) could explain parts of the flavor profile.

 

[swilow]

Ive taken up to 16 mg ... and I agree the bodyload becomes unpleasant. However, on a few occasions I have mixed higher doses with a few beers and it's really seemed to help with the bodyload and increase the social aspect. ~12mg and a few drinks "*chefs kiss*

But without a few drinks I agree 6/7mg and some weed is my preferred dose
I just eyeball the dose, as I had buddy scale it all out for me when he worked in the lab at the Uni lol... but he cba to scale out the whole thing in ~6mg doses so he doubled em ... so they are 14-16mg and I either just divide em, or if I know ill be using the second half soon use volumetric measures with some vodka or so

I'm going to dose again on the weekend and see how 9mg goes. Iirc, I took higher than that many years ago but tbh do not remember.

 

[cosmic charlie]

I was thinking about making a nasal spray bottle with a gram of Ketamine inside of it, would it be okay if i was to just use water to dissolve it. Mean im gonna be using it pretty fast im sure so i wouldnt think that bacteria would be an issue if its just in solution for a couple days.

Obviously i dont wanna put a little alcohol into it if not necessary cuz it would burn like a mofo sniffing that. Im thinking tho if i use a spray i could use Ket intranasal without fucking up my nose again...its been a few months since the issue with the FXE and me getting the soars/infection up there...

 

[cosmic charlie]

I love brussel sprouts with chopped apples, maple syrup, lemon juice, salt and pepper. This weekend im going to make some for me and my girlfriend and probably roast a chicken. Some freshly made mashed potatoes as well, im gonna go all out next saturday honestly...

 

[SuperPsych]

I recall finding DiPT kinda unpleasant. I only took 4-5 times but my ears would feel really full and pressurised and hyper sensitive to sound. High pitched sounds would cause a kind of thumping echo in my ears, like my eardrums were hearing themselves compress under sound waves. The aural effects gave me anxiety, but that was at a stage where every psychedelic was prone to that. I would probably try it again though. Odd that it's available while classic goodies of the 2C-X class aren't.

Speaking of that, 7mg of 5-meO-MiPT last eve was very pleasant after not having it for many years.

I miss 5-MeO-Mipt. I used to constantly have it around. Great stuff. I recently acquired NB 5-MeO-Mipt which is apparently a prodrug for 5-MeO-Mipt. Looking forward to seeing if there's a difference in effect. I'm not finding much in the way of reports so I'll probably go with 7mg which was my standard dosing for 5-MeO-Mipt as well

 

[swilow]

Curious if its known for a fact whether 5-Meo-MiPT is a MAOi...?

 

[arrall]

Curious if its known for a fact whether 5-Meo-MiPT is a MAOi...?

It may have very weak MAOI activity, but I do not believe there is any proof of this.

As for my anecdotal experience, I recall that as a stupid teenager I took a low-moderate dose (8mg oral?) while on a therapeutic dose of Adderall with zero negative effects.
So if there is MAOI activity, it is VERY minimal.
The only negative interaction I have ever had is when I drank a monster energy drink (again, I was a stupid teenager when I last used this one) while on 9 or so mg and spent 30-45 minutes having heart palpitations.

 

[Mjäll]

I miss 5-MeO-Mipt. I used to constantly have it around. Great stuff. I recently acquired NB 5-MeO-Mipt which is apparently a prodrug for 5-MeO-Mipt. Looking forward to seeing if there's a difference in effect. I'm not finding much in the way of reports so I'll probably go with 7mg which was my standard dosing for 5-MeO-Mipt as well

Cool, anticipating the reports

You might wanna compensate for the larger (almost double) molar mass with the protective group. An equivalent dose may be 11-12 mg.

In some other thread someone suggested that vaping is the way to get rid of the protective group.

 

[swilow]

It may have very weak MAOI activity, but I do not believe there is any proof of this.

As for my anecdotal experience, I recall that as a stupid teenager I took a low-moderate dose (8mg oral?) while on a therapeutic dose of Adderall with zero negative effects.
So if there is MAOI activity, it is VERY minimal.
The only negative interaction I have ever had is when I drank a monster energy drink (again, I was a stupid teenager when I last used this one) while on 9 or so mg and spent 30-45 minutes having heart palpitations.

It does seem quite cardio stimulating so I can imagine it being rather unpleasant combined with a stimulant. Although it seems to be getting pressed into "pellets" with 2-FMA and 5-MAPB so I'm in agreement that the MAOI is probably incorrectly assumed. Still, I'm curious why we think this about the 5-MeO-xxx in general.

My idea was to throw in something like 4-Ho-DPT/MET and wondering whether to adjust the dose of either or both or not. I suspect that 5-MEO-MIPT may really get interesting if it was more psychedelic.