Party Users and Home Users

[Pibolar]

This just crossed my mind recently and I've been meaning to make a thread about it. Just to get opinions and chat about the subject.

But it seems there are (obviously) different kinds of drugs users. And I was just sort of comparing/contrasting the "party drug users", and the "home drug users". Party drug users being the ones that, for the most part, use drugs during parties or to stay up and get down with friends/other people. While home drug users tend to be more introverted, choosing to use their DoC alone or with a small circle of buddies.

This is just speculation, but I'd think party users would be more casual/social drug users, while home users would fall more in the category of an addict. I was kind of just thinking what the differences, personality wise, would be between the two "classes" of users. Sort of comparing the general intelligence, charisma, drug of choice, etc. between them. These things may seem like broad generalizations, but I just kind of thought it was an interesting subject, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to bring it up on BL.

Also, what category do you fall under? Or do you consider yourself to be both?

 

[Ksa]

You cannot divide drug users into these two groups without a strong dose of social bias. The way I would divide them is objectively, as such:

1) Using drugs to enhance an activity
2) Using drugs to get high

 

[Pibolar]

You cannot divide drug users into these two groups without a strong dose of social bias. The way I would divide them is objectively, as such:

1) Using drugs to enhance an activity
2) Using drugs to get high

You divided them into two groups just as I did, but used different words to make it more socially correct, IMO. All I'm attempting to do is look at two different groups, and what sort of people those groups attract. Like why people choose to, as you would put it, use drugs to enhance an activity or use drugs to get high, and what makes these people different. There are different personality "types". And there is a reason behind the way people act.

I'm just trying to take a closer look at these people, who they are, and why they do what they do. I am not trying to condemn either group. The goal is understanding. But just for the sake of adding to the topic of the thread, I personally would consider myself a "home drug user". I believe this is because I am quite shy and tend to stick with myself or close friends in terms of company.

Just to clarify, I use to term "home" and "party" drug user, just for the sake of convenience. I'm not attempting to be derogatory or biased. Although it's worth mentioning, that every human has some sort of biased, that's just how we're wired.

 

[Ksa]

^ The main difference is that the first group already has deeply embedded passions, obsessions or hobbies way before starting a drug. So the drug acts as a catalyst to that hobby or obsession because the drug by itself would cause little benefit or even unease outside that particular setup or activity.

People who use drugs to get high are generally women, who are more exposed to a lack of obsession. For example, you are less likely to find a woman with a sexual obsession such as foot fetish or crush fetish, using meth to masturbate or perform, in these cases, passive drugs like Heroin, SSRI's or benzodiazepines are used.

 

[Ksa]

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[Pibolar]

People who use drugs to get high are generally women, who are more exposed to a lack of obsession. For example, you are less likely to find a woman with a sexual obsession such as foot fetish or crush fetish, using meth to masturbate or perform, in these cases, passive drugs like Heroin, SSRI's or benzodiazepines are used.

I'm beginning to wonder if you understand what the point of my original post was. Because you and I are on totally different pages in this conversation.

 

[Ksa]

I'm beginning to wonder if you understand what the point of my original post was. Because you and I are on totally different pages in this conversation.

Then the answer is no, you can have a loner masturbating at home on meth and have little to no addiction to meth, and you can have a raver chick addicted down on her knees for MDMA, crying every morning she wakes up depressed and feeling like dying, only to start it all over at 6pm at the club.

 

[Pibolar]

Then the answer is no, you can have a loner masturbating at home on meth and have little to no addiction to meth, and you can have a raver chick addicted down on her knees for MDMA, crying every morning she wakes up depressed and feeling like dying, only to start it all over at 6pm at the club.

The answer to what? Not trying to be condescending just honestly not certain.

As far as the rest of your posts go, I get what you're saying, but it's kind of straying from what my original intentions for this thread were. I'm not looking for examples of these drug users, but rather what sort of personalities are attracted to doing drugs alone, and what personalities are drawn more to social drug use.

But just to keep the ball rolling, would you consider yourself either of these? Do you do drugs to get high, or for a social purpose?

 

[Ksa]

The answer to what?

To this:

"This is just speculation, but I'd think party users would be more casual/social drug users, while home users would fall more in the category of an addict."

Before even drinking coffee, my interests in this life had nothing to do with society, so I would never take a drug and go out there because with or without drugs, I have no interest in other people and in how they choose to spend their time, because I find their occupations boring and lacking substance.

Also my philosophy of life is drastically different from other people. I believe that the purpose of all life is to end...and that the ultimate goal to strive for is death. So I'm not interested in being part of something "greater" than myself, or helping my community and all that non-sense that people engage in. I just don't understand it because I don't think that there's anything bigger than myself and that I already have everything I need. So it's all good.

 

[Pibolar]

To this:

"This is just speculation, but I'd think party users would be more casual/social drug users, while home users would fall more in the category of an addict."

So you disagree with this statement? I think I'm starting to see what you mean here, actually. But my (above) statement was a generalization, yet I contend has some accuracy.

 

[spacejunk]

People who use drugs to get high are generally women, who are more exposed to a lack of obsession. For example, you are less likely to find a woman with a sexual obsession such as foot fetish or crush fetish, using meth to masturbate or perform, in these cases, passive drugs like Heroin, SSRI's or benzodiazepines are used.

uh...what???

You cannot divide drug users into these two groups without a strong dose of social bias. The way I would divide them is objectively, as such:

...and you go on to say that your perspective is so (subjectively) unique that it doesnt apply to everyone?

Also my philosophy of life is drastically different from other people. I believe that the purpose of all life is to end...and that the ultimate goal to strive for is death. So I'm not interested in being part of something "greater" than myself, or helping my community and all that non-sense that people engage in. I just don't understand it because I don't think that there's anything bigger than myself and that I already have everything I need. So it's all good

if you are so solipsistic, why reply at all?

 

[Ksa]

^ I am simply voicing out my opinion. If I believed that my opinion made a difference, I would be out there all eyes and ears to other people's opinions. My opinions only accommodates my happiness. If someone else were to think like me, they would probably not be happy, or, my ideas would not lead them to happiness.

Also, opinions about women are usually false because women represents 3 and some billion individuals. But there are exceptions to that, for example, if you say women have a vagina, you are not generalizing and your statement stands as true.

 

[spacejunk]

Ok, so now that this thread has been completely disrailed, perhaps we can aim at getting it back on track?

At times i have fit into both categories proposed by Pibolar.

I think there is a tendency to assume that solitary drug users are more likely to be addicts or use problematically - but i don't think this is strictly true, as i would sometimes prefer to do certain things - like take strong psychedelics - on my own.
Same goes for downers in general, i suppose.

Whereas some drugs (namely, but not strictly, stimulants) increase sociability, energy and creativity - and are best utilised in company.
I know that some people only enjoy smoking cannabis alone (or in small groups) because larger social interactions tend to make them paranoid.
For me it depends on the situation and the drug.
Sometimes i find drugs useful for making music (particularly in the studio) to enhance concentration and stamina, but other times they completely get in the way of finding the perspective and focus required.

So...i've never really fit into either group - except perhaps when i was really young and hadn't found my social niche yet, and i would prefer to stay home and trip and smoke weed than go to parties or whatever other kids that age were doing.
As i got older that became far less appealing, however, as i got to know lots of interesting people that i preferred spending time with.

 

[Pibolar]

Ok, so now that this thread has been completely disrailed, perhaps we can aim at getting it back on track?

At times i have fit into both categories proposed by Pibolar.

I think there is a tendency to assume that solitary drug users are more likely to be addicts or use problematically - but i don't think this is strictly true, as i would sometimes prefer to do certain things - like take strong psychedelics - on my own.
Same goes for downers in general, i suppose.

Whereas some drugs (namely, but not strictly, stimulants) increase sociability, energy and creativity - and are best utilised in company.
I know that some people only enjoy smoking cannabis alone (or in small groups) because larger social interactions tend to make them paranoid.
For me it depends on the situation and the drug.
Sometimes i find drugs useful for making music (particularly in the studio) to enhance concentration and stamina, but other times they completely get in the way of finding the perspective and focus required.

So...i've never really fit into either group - except perhaps when i was really young and hadn't found my social niche yet, and i would prefer to stay home and trip and smoke weed than go to parties or whatever other kids that age were doing.
As i got older that became far less appealing, however, as i got to know lots of interesting people that i preferred spending time with.

Alright, thanks spacejunk. I was getting seriously confused by the direction the thread had taken.

In my life I have definitely fit into both categories as well. But with time, partying with a bunch of people I don't know became less appealing, I just kind of think it's sort of mindless. I mean I enjoy meeting new people and having conversation, but not in just any circumstance. I think I meet the most interesting people when taking part in hobbies or events that I enjoy, rather than trying to go out and getting fucked up.

And like you, I sometimes prefer to do certain drugs (or even just activities) on my own, at times it's just preferable. I can learn a lot about myself when I'm alone. Unless I'm on stimulants, in that case I love being around friends. Drugs like marijuana have made me so anxious, now I don't even smoke, plus it was just an unhealthy habit for me mentally.

Also, just out of curiosity, what kind of music do you make?

 

[Boku_]

I was a party drug user when i first started to take pills and speed at nightclubs which is common for young people in their late teens early 20's. I was a party drug user for off and on ten years till my late 20's in 2009. I then had a 5 year break from all stim which was pretty much a involuntary break as i simply didn't know anyone to get speed or pills off. During this 5 year break off stim's i quit smoking cigarettes and with the extra disposable income i took some short holidays around my home country Australia also visited south east Asia a few times. As well while not being able to get stims i meet a contact that could hook me up with quality China White smack and i became a home drug user that smoked heroin at home in his room occasional once every few weeks just for the sake of using a drug and having the sensation of being high from something. I never became a daily user of heroin seeing as it was expensive to smoke and the side affect of making your sex drive decrease to a null feeling and almost being impotent for the couple of days after you have smoked it contributed to me feeling it was not as an enjoyable activity that everyone makes smack out to be. Don't get me wrong it was a good feeling for the most part chasing the dragon but given the stigma around heroin i wasn't keen to score more than what was needed for one session. Then around Christmas 2014 i managed to be able to get meth which is the ultimate home drug IMO seeing as you can sit at home in your room smoking for hours and breathing in and out fat white clouds of meth smoke that lets you focus and use the internet for 12-14 hours in one sitting and it feels like 30 minutes. I must stress i only smoke meth once every 2 or 3 weeks and i never go on multi day binges, like when i used heroin i just get enough for one days session which keeps me awake for 30 odd hours. No 4 to 5 days without sleep for me.

Back to the OP question i enjoyed my 20's where i went out on drugs and partied but going to nightclubs all the time takes a toll emotional and financial and in my 20'a i was forever ending up stone cold broke without any money to my name on a weekly basis given how much money you can burn through going out, now that i am in my late 30's partying on drugs for some reason doesn't appeal to me at all. I quite enjoy being a home user of meth and would say i am far more sensible these days compared to when i partied out on drugs. I don't agree that home drug users are more likely to be full on drug addicts compared to the drug users who use to party but yeah if you at the stage you are using heroin or meth at home daily you probably have a problem, then again in my early 20's going out i meet stim users at nightclubs who didn't sleep from Thursday night till Sunday or Monday morning. I don't think you can say if drug users who use to party they are any better than home drug users, it's a question of how heavy a drug user the person is.

 

[Pibolar]

I don't agree that home drug users are more likely to be full on drug addicts compared to the drug users who use to party but yeah if you at the stage you are using heroin or meth at home daily you probably have a problem, then again in my early 20's going out i meet stim users at nightclubs who didn't sleep from Thursday night till Sunday or Monday morning. I don't think you can say if drug users who use to party they are any better than home drug users, it's a question of how heavy a drug user the person is.

I completely understand what you mean, man. When I said that home drug users may more likely be addicts, I knew it was purely speculation and NOT based in fact. Just a thought. And by no means am I saying that one group of drug users are better than the other, although I will say I usually prefer the company of those who fit the criteria of home drug users. I just find that I can relate to introverted drug users more easily than their party-going counterparts.
As far as whether someone is an addict, I do agree that it depends more on how much self-control they have, rather than how they use.

I can't help but wonder, of the two (using drugs while partying or using drugs alone) which do you find more sensible? If either at all. It does depend heavily upon the individual, but this entire thread really is based on generalizations. Nonetheless I think we can learn from a discussion like this.

 

[SimonJester]

I've only been to one large party so most my use falls in the home or small group category. Mostly hallucinogens.

When it came to high doses of just about anything I would prefer to be alone. Occasionally I'd arrange a weekend with two others to make a "tripod" that could pick each other up. Two people could fall into a bad funk easy, but with three people we could rotate the mood of what was going on. Usually.

Mid to low doses could be enjoyed with couple friends just as well as at home alone. Opening conversations with or without people. Sometimes the voices inside my head spark enough conversation that the quiet comfort of home is what I need.

The large party scared me. Too many people. Any more than about 10 or 15 people in a room and I start getting antsy. I'd much rather be sober or have a shot or two for that situation.

To say one way of using is more sensible than another would also depend heavily on what the user wanted to get out of the situation.... or if they had considered getting anything out of it to begin with.

Thats my two cents.

 

[Pibolar]

The large party scared me. Too many people. Any more than about 10 or 15 people in a room and I start getting antsy. I'd much rather be sober or have a shot or two for that situation.

To say one way of using is more sensible than another would also depend heavily on what the user wanted to get out of the situation.... or if they had considered getting anything out of it to begin with.

Thats my two cents.

Yeah, large crowds can make me nervous if I'm on certain drugs, I'd definitely rather be sober for that kind of stuff, or, like you said, have a couple shots/beers in me.

As far as which is more sensible, I guess it would be more accurate to ask people individually. So, to rephrase the question (open to responses from anyone), which would you consider to be more sensible, considering your own personality. Try to remain self-aware.

 

[spacejunk]

Also, just out of curiosity, what kind of music do you make?

I play in rock'n'roll bands, i guess you'd say. But i make all kinds of music, really - play a range of instruments and enjoy fooling around with synths and drum machines, though my preferred instrument is guitar.
Stims can be really great for creating music - or you can get overly focused on the finer points and end up not creating anything of value.
In the studio, doing take after take of existing songs all day long, it can be really good to be a bit pepped up. I usually take weed and amphetamine into the studio. Some people take booze, but i never found that comparible with playing well - it seems to mess with my coordination and makes me clumsy.

 

[ahint]

Home drug user, for sure. I'm an extrovert and I'm not an addict (except for nicotine). The reason I'm not a party drug user is because I don't travel in drug using circles (although there's a lot of alcohol involved...), and I'd probably be judged for it - either way it wouldn't be fun me being the only one who was high.

My use is alone to unwind, or more often, just me and my partner at home. I've experimented with a lot of things, found they weren't for me, and stuck with using ketamine once a month or so, weed once every few months or so, benzos a couple of times a month, and either modafinil/3F-PM about once every other month. I use ketamine and weed for fun, and the rest for a function (benzos to knock me out when I need an early night, weed when I need to get really absorbed in a task, and modafinil or 3F-PM for productivity).