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Fireblood

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I found this news article:
http://www.abc.net.au/health/minutes/stories/s926481.htm

and this research paper:
http://www.psychiatry.wustl.edu/Resources/LiteratureList/2002/October/ricaurte.pdf

via another forum i post at (non drug/club related)

I am straped for time atm cus of uni, but a friend has been kinda freakin out because he got seriously high body heat the first time he droped (it has also been his last)
It sounds pretty interesting, and is worth a look in!

Sorry if its been posted before, if it has feel free to delete.
 
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and the debate on just how much damage we actually are doing continues.

interesting read tho.
 
good story by the ABC, one of the most believable and neutral pieces i've seen in a long while. it also happens to represent my exact views on pills (and most other drugs) in that an occasional dosage or two won't significantly damage the brain (moreso than alcohol anyway), and its only when we start binging with large amounts in a short time that the hurt really starts. the brain (as well as the human body) is a remarkably resilient organism and if we treat it right, it'll treat us right...
 
villz ^ i am the same, except this article says that more than 1 pill a night will cause permanent damage later in life...and i do 2 pills every time i go out now (every month or so)
 
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So I have a question for you then Fireblood.

Assuming what you heard is correct, will you adjust your habits to avoid further damage in the future ?
 
Would you? Good question - Hypothetically if you found out that there was 99% scientific proof that MDMA caused some kind of physical damage to brain cells... how would that affect your drug use? I mean people know that cigarettes can cause lung cancer, in a high incidence rate, but that doesn't stop lots of us who choose to smoke.

BigTrancer :)
 
dimmo, BT: thats part of the reason i posted it on here! :D I am going to have to read it fully, i just havent had time (study :'(). I would have to look into what i could do/take after pilling that could/would reduce the chances significantly enough. Bar that, it would be a question of whether or not im a gambler? :D
 
alcohol is a poison but do people stop drinking? :) ;)

i can afford to lose a couple of brain cells, i've got a coupl'a billion left... :)
 
Fireblood said:
villz ^ i am the same, except this article says that more than 1 pill a night will cause permanent damage later in life...and i do 2 pills every time i go out now (every month or so)

imo this raises the question of just how strong is "one pill" If you need to take two 50mg mdma pills then you would probably be doing the same amount of damage as taking one 100mg pill, not including binders and fillers and so on. I just think if someone is going to make a statement like that in an article that perhaps an accurate measure of "one pill" should be provided.
 
Is the second link Ricaurte's study - the one that has pretty much been proven wrong by many other similar studies that never found the same results as he did and has been discredited as unscientific?????
 
jewbob - u'll notice i used the term dosage, which can be interpreted however you want and i think fireblood was just talking about 1 pill as a rule of thumb. i think the most important point here is to take what you need to have a good time and try to minimize going overboard. that way you'll cut back on bad comedowns, retain the magic for much much longer and (most importantly) still have a brain when u hit 40...
:)
 
I *think* this is a much newer study by Ricuarte and co-workers, the date is late 2002. It appears that many of the concerns that were originally raised about the earlier study are at least paid lip service to here, and (some) reasons are given for more carefully worded conclusions.

BigTrancer :)
 
i checked out this link from the link on the pages above
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s919991.htm

it sounds quite disturbing if its true, down the bottom i noticed a reference was Ricaurte G A et al. Severe Dopaminergic Neurotoxicity in Primates After a Commonal Recreational Dose Regimen of MDMA (“Ecstasy”). Science;297:2260-2263.

ive heard quite a lot about this Ricaurte and basically people are of the opinion he is some sort of govt propaganda puppet for the u.s. govt.

does anyone know if there have been any scientific responses to this latest study, and if not is it reasonable to take Ricaurtes lastest study at face value? ie bad news for xtc users
 
Don't read too much into the hype - there's still hard science behind these studies, otherwise the results wouldn't have been published in peer-reviewed journals. The conclusions and extrapolations that the authors and subsequent science media have made from the article should be taken with a grain of salt, as with any science, because it is only human to find the answers you are looking for in obscure experimental data. This is something scientists have to face all the time, and it's not always as easy as it sounds to completely distance oneself and make purely objective conclusions. Experiments are always designed to prove or disprove a hypothesis, and absolutely conclusive results one way or another, particularly in the medical sciences I suspect, are uncommon. Therefore, semi-conclusive or inconclusive results always have to be explained, particularly to the satisfaction of the people providing the ($).

BigTrancer :)
 
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