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nathanp

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Hey Bluelight - long time no see! It's been a long time since my first posts on here trying to get informed for my first roll.. over 5 years ago. Since then, I have been a "responsible roller", spacing out each time by months and also remembering to take care of my body in between uses.

I come back with a different scenerio. I have always had a very close relationship with my parents and over the last couple years I have kind of introduced them to MDMA and told them about, explained to them the effects, next day, tricks etc.

Anyways, they have decided they want to try it when they go camping this weekend! I have saved the cleanest beans in a long time with no amp in them, and a relatively small dose of MDMA in each one (small for experienced users). They have 3, figure to each take one and see how it hits them after an hour or so, and then decide on the next half each.

However, I understand the risks involved with allowing my parents to try this, especially given their age and medications they take. I have searched throughout BL for a couple hours and found some good information, but I hope someone can provide some more solid information or insight on this topic.

First and foremost I want to list their medications and see if there would be any problems mixing them and MDMA and 5-HTP (for after). My parents are both in their beginning 50s agewise, relatively good health & both smoke cigarettes. I am more worried about the Hydrocodone and their Anti-Depressants and Blood Pressure then others, but I am not sure.

Dad : Daily Doses

Hydrocodone (Vicodin) - 20mg
Prestique (Anti-Depressant) - 50mg
Acetaminophen (Aspirin) - 650mg (In the Vicodin - 325mg/per)
Cumidin (Blood Thinner) - 7mg
Prilosec (Over-the-counter antiacid) - 1mg
Clonazepam (Muscle Relaxer, used for sleep aid) - 1mg

Mom : Daily Doses

Hydrocodone (Vicodin) - 90mg
Lisinopril (Blood Pressure) - 12mg
Acetaminophen (Aspirin) -3150mg (In Vicodin)
Prestique (Anti-Depressant) - 50mg
Meloxicam (Arthritis) - 7.5mg
Lyrica - 150mg
Prestique (Anti-Depressant) - 50mg
Clonazepam (Muscle Relaxer, used for sleep aid) - 1mg

Of course I don't want to let my parents take MDMA if there is any dangers whatsoever. I'm not sure if they should stop their anti depressant a few days before, or maybe not take as many hydrocodone the day of, for example. Any information on these questions or combiniations medication wise would be very very helpful!!

Thanks in advance, and maybe I'll see those U.S goers at GLOBAL dance festival!

-Nate8o
 
If they are for sure clean mdma pills the main concern would be the SNRI.
Most people on SS/NRI's just don't roll generally, serotonin syndrome doesn't appear to be a likely issue but it's another possibility as well. Aside from that, there shouldn't be any contraindications with the blood pressure medication, but that they have high blood pressure is cause for concern especially if the pills have some amp or pipes.
If they do end up going through with it I also suggest they suspend their opiate use up to (day of) and during the mdma experience.
 
Its dangerous to give them MDMA. 1 ) They are on anti-depressants, mdma simply will not work 2) To many random drugs. Ofcourse they take Aspirin because of theyr Heart conditions?
 
Yeah I third the whole, anti-depressant issue, first they just will not roll because of the anti-depressents, and the blood (thinner/pressure) medications would be the most likely to interfer with an stimulate drug (I.e. mdma).
 
nathanp said:
Dad : Daily Doses

Hydrocodone (Vicodin) - 20mg
Prestique (Anti-Depressant) - 50mg
Acetaminophen (Aspirin) - 650mg (In the Vicodin - 325mg/per)
Cumidin (Blood Thinner) - 7mg
Prilosec (Over-the-counter antiacid) - 1mg
Clonazepam (Muscle Relaxer, used for sleep aid) - 1mg
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the desvenlafaxine (pristiq) will greatly attenute the roll and if you have to take blood thinners rolling is a big no-no. due to it's vasocontrictive properties (same as with most stimulants) mdma could cause heart attacks or strokes in susceptible people.
the hydrocodone and clonazepam could dampen the roll a bit, but there's no danger here.
Mom : Daily Doses

Hydrocodone (Vicodin) - 90mg
Lisinopril (Blood Pressure) - 12mg
Acetaminophen (Aspirin) -3150mg (In Vicodin)
Prestique (Anti-Depressant) - 50mg
Meloxicam (Arthritis) - 7.5mg
Lyrica - 150mg
Prestique (Anti-Depressant) - 50mg
Clonazepam (Muscle Relaxer, used for sleep aid) - 1mg
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about the desvenlafaxine, hydrocodone and clonazepam see above.
i don't know about the interactions between ace-inhibitors (lisinopril) and mdma, but certain blood pressure medicines (beta-blockers) can be fatal in combination with mdma, so caution is advised here. besides that mdma can raise blood pressure quite a bit which in turn could lead to the problems you want to avoid with blood pressure medications.

so i'd strongly advise against them taking mdma.

btw: aspirin is not acetaminophen (=paracetamol), but acetylsalicylic acid.
btw2: 3150mg of paracetamol a day is a lot. not quite up to 4000mg, which is said to be the highest non-toxic dose one can comsume per day, but if i took that large amounts daily i'd have my liver enzymes checked out periodically. after all (at least according to wikipedia) paracetamol is the leading cause for acute liver failure in the UK and US.
 
Speaking as a person who is ten years older than your parents, I see no objection in principle at all to your parents rolling.
What does worry me though is that compared to me they use large amounts of medication.
I would be particularly concerned about the anti-depressants and the reasons why they use them.
Do you intend to be present when they roll, although it is advisable to have an experienced person there, your presence might be inhibiting for them especially if they realize how much they mean to each other.
 
If possible taper them off the anti-depressants and opiates as you will find these affecting the role severely if combined. I recommend a few days at minimum although this could result in withdrawals.
 
I think it's just fucking awesome that you're close like that with your parents... that's beatuiful man! Idk I'd say go for it.
 
Honestly man. If you're worried about interactions ask
their doctor or a pharmacist.
I have these talks with mine all the time. They would rather I not drop, but if
it's inevitable they give me good unbiased information.
 
Um, definitely don't let them stop taking their antidepressants. You're never supposed to just lower your doses on your own and stop taking them. They are in your system for a while even after you stop taking them anyways. And if they have been on them for a while, it could make them feel extremelyyy suicidal... then the depression from after rolling could just put the over edge. Definitely not a good idea! I don't know if it would dampen the roll though? My friend gets really bad anxiety and he always takes an antidepressant with his ill, he says it helps keep him calm, that could just be in his head though?

If you have any doubt at all about them being 100% safe, I say don't even try it. If something did happen, even something small, the guilt from that would be awful.

What about trying mushies while they are camping? [;
 
Black said:
the desvenlafaxine (pristiq) will greatly attenute the roll and if you have to take blood thinners rolling is a big no-no. due to it's vasocontrictive properties (same as with most stimulants) mdma could cause heart attacks or strokes in susceptible people.
the hydrocodone and clonazepam could dampen the roll a bit, but there's no danger here.

about the desvenlafaxine, hydrocodone and clonazepam see above.
i don't know about the interactions between ace-inhibitors (lisinopril) and mdma, but certain blood pressure medicines (beta-blockers) can be fatal in combination with mdma, so caution is advised here. besides that mdma can raise blood pressure quite a bit which in turn could lead to the problems you want to avoid with blood pressure medications.

so i'd strongly advise against them taking mdma.

btw: aspirin is not acetaminophen (=paracetamol), but acetylsalicylic acid.
btw2: 3150mg of paracetamol a day is a lot. not quite up to 4000mg, which is said to be the highest non-toxic dose one can comsume per day, but if i took that large amounts daily i'd have my liver enzymes checked out periodically. after all (at least according to wikipedia) paracetamol is the leading cause for acute liver failure in the UK and US.
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^ This is perfect. Moreso than the antidepressants, cumidin in particular is NOT something you want combined with mdma.
 
Some excellent advice in the above answers.
While I am also in my 50s and have no problems rolling, I dont really use any other medications.
The snri may ver likely mean they cannot roll at all anyways and I am not qualified to answer in regards to the safety of the other meds.
 
instead of just the possible interactions between mdma and the medications, you should consider the indications for the medications (ie your parents medical problems) and their possible interactions with mdma

for example, warfarin, why is he on that? heart arrhythmia (ie AF), dvt/pe prophylaxis, post aortic/mitral valve replacement?

they are some fairly significant medical problems and i would definitely not recommend taking mdma with those problems

also, its been said, but dont let them stop their anti-depressants suddenly
 
if they decide to stop their SNRI to roll, be really cautious about that. discontinuation syndrome isn't fun. i don't know if a little taper would be in order or what, but it could be disruptive to abruptly cease the med, and i wonder if experiencing SSRI w/d would interfere with the roll?

i don't think hydrocodone or clonazepam would interfere assuming their bodies have gotten used to the drugs and they've been using them for a long time
 
i don't see a problem with the age and if they're pure MDMA it will be better. but definitely do not mix it with anti-depressants!! people here are saying you will not roll while on them, but there is also the risk of getting seratonin syndrome. a close friend of mine who knows a lot about this kind of stuff told me wait 2 weeks since the last time you took an anti-depressant to be completely safe.
 
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