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Mental Health oversensitivity to lsd, tryptamines, phens, cannabis, nicotine, caffeine..

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so yeah basically things got weird after ingesting cannabis.. it was probably around 4-5 grams.. I had an intense but pretty interesting and not at all scary experience but after that I entered a DP/DR-like state. Things just didn't seem normal anymore, perspectives all fucked up, visual snow, sensitivity to light..
the next time I tried to light up I got a panic attack and my muscles tensed up real bad, after that I got depressed and the weird reaction to cb didn't go away. I kept smoking though.. anything to escape I guess. I was living in hell all winter.. panic attacks etc...

next thing I did was doing 4-ho-met a beautiful spring day. Helped tons with the depression and I finally felt a little bit more clear. I did quite a bit of that stuff the following summer but ended up getting really bad vasoconstriction.. and now 1 1/2 years later I'm still not feeling good at all. I haven't been smoking weed for a week but I guess to see improvement I should wait at least a month.
getting seriously tired of worrying about my health and the brainfog is really affecting my social life. only positive thing is I feel more empathic now and that has led to some seriously deep and satisfying friendship relations. but its also debilating since being in crowds always leave me somewhat confused.. so many impressions..

So this is what causes bad vasoconstriction and/or muscle pain, visual symptoms and brain fog that I know of:
cannabis
all psychedelics.. LSD, shrooms and other trypts, 2-cb
caffeine
nicotine
st johns wort

stimulants I tolerate a little bit better, i've done speed and mdma.

and this is what I found helping a little bit:
opiods, kodein and tramadol.
benzos.. but withdrawal is fucking intense.
ginger-tea, a nice warming sensation.. but not strong enough to really counter a bad reaction. but it feels good and safe.
alcohol feels just "normal".

has anyone experienced anything similar to this and did you recover, if so can you describe the recovery-process? I understand that quitting all drugs is the best option but something mildly sedating and calming that doesn't involve tolerance issues would be nice. how about bloodpressure meds like betablockers etc?

much love!
 
Being on a healthy diet of psychedelics and amphetamines in my youth directly resulted in my abuse of depressants because I was experiencing schizoprenia like symptoms after the last time I tripped. I was depressed, al;l my senses were heightened, and smoking marijuana made it even worse.

The only thing that helped me from all of that was quitting psychedelics, amphetamines, mdma, for about 7-8 years. I stopped smoking pot for 2 years, but, like you, was seeking some external solution to my problem which ended up in a heroin and benzo frenzy.

You need a long break from everything. Sure you can take medicine that will not fix your problem but aliviate the "pain", but my honest opinion is that you just quit for a while. Everything. It takes a couple of months for the symptoms to die down, but it is far more worth it then taking anything.
 
sounds like good advice, I'm about to move out of the city and go to school learning 'bout being self sufficent.. gardening, forestry, house building etc.. should be a good distraction! and if I feel i need to "take a break" from it some beers doesn't really seem to hurt me. I've always had a "healthy relationship" with alcohol.
happy that you got out of it! there's a swedish saying.. "genvägar är senvägar" which basically means "shortcuts are detours" this seems to be the truth in this case.
be well!
 
Yeah man i say taking a break from everything would be in your best interest and going to school should be a good distraction. Also like you mention, if you need a little something sometimes then if you tolerate alcohol well then a few beers every once in a while is for sure ok, just for damn sure dont make it a habit.
 
Nothing you mention seems abnormal. You have abused drugs and no longer get any positive effects. It's not oversensitivity. Take a break.

Taking more drugs won't fix your problem. If anything it will end up creating a new problem that you will have to deal with eventually.
 
I never tried LSD and I dont know what "phen" is but I definetly have oversensivity to cannabis. One little toke and I already feel anxious, uncomfortable, especially in social situations. People say "oh is just weed" and it just annoys me. I dont know if I wont ever smoke again but I dont think anywhere in the near future. I also dont drink coffee because the caffeine makes me jittery. I even quit drinking sodas (clean from it since 31/Dec). I dont have a problem with nicotine.
 
hey thanks folks. I'm getting a grip now, no more toking. Should have quit a long time ago..
and yeah, that "trip" I had after eating those cookies was pretty intense, never thought it could harm me like it did though! It was like a switch had been flipped inside my head. completely different from the day before. maybe if i'm really lucky shit will get alot better when the thc leaves my system.. after all thats what started it.

living in this "other reality" hasn't all been bad though. there are times when I'm completely overwhelmed by joy over the smallest things.. and I'm soo happy to be alive.
really more worried about my physical health than my "mind".. I know I'll probably have a happy life but I also know I need to work harder than most people to get to where I want to be, cause this shit is making me kind of exhausted, naturally.
 
Man, I would reconsider your weed habit. I am personally heavily addicted to the stuff, and the anxiety caused by my addiction has caused me to have bad vasoconstrictive reactions to psychedelics such as LSD at times in the past. LSD can amplify the chronic anxiety experienced by a heavy toker which can lead to extremely negative reactions. At the same time, LSD or any psychedelic for that matter is NOT physically safe 100% as it is purported to be, but you have obviously found that out the hard way. I have experienced extreme vasoconstriction from LSD - it is potentially life endangering and certainly unhealthy to say the least. But I find that weed makes it feel just so much worse, and that it is possible, even likely, that there isn't even anything wrong in the first place and this is just a physical expression of anxiety brought out by the acid.

Habitually using weed makes me hypersensitive to pretty much everything - I am sure as hell not a coffee drinker. I can't even handle that unless I'm off the stuff.

It just seems like you've probably smoked a hell of a lot more weed than those other drugs, so that is most likely where the problems are coming from. It isn't too different from other shit. Maybe if you stopped blazing for a few months, you'd end up feeling a bit more relaxed man.

In any case, I'd lay off the tripping until your anxiety goes down and you arn't too much bothered by the operation of your cardiovascular system. It sounds like you would do well perhaps to never trip again, as interesting and exciting as it is. But it sounds like your weed habit might be making you experience the side effects of psychedelic use more strongly. The drugs arn't going anywhere, and I think you need a good break, perhaps a permanent one. Don't we all.
 
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I believe that, any way you slice it, over-indulgence in chemicals that then begin to manifest adversely in your life is a sure sign that a re-evaluation of the rationale behind the use at all is in order.

To put it another way: You seem to feel that these drugs are therapeutic (for instance, your comment regarding 4-HO-MET). At the same time, you admit that several of them are used for escapist purposes (namely, the Cannabis).

I urge you to take a brief step back and realize that these two ideals are in conflict with one another, and very simply cannot co-exist. Either the drugs are therapeutic, or they are maladaptive. From what I'm reading, I would assume the latter. And, if that is the case, further questions - such as how to stop using the drugs altogether - are in order! We are here to help you tackle those difficult and foreign ideas if that is something you feel strong enough to address.

Be well, OP.

~ Vaya
 
Dude, rave is real fun!! And you're totally right, I'm a stoner at heart. Even though I've decided not to do it anymore, the good times I had will always stay with me. What you say about the physical manifestation of anxiety is something I've thought about a lot. Maybe its just some kind of trauma. I hardly believe I have a real serious brain damage.. its just stress. Time will tell!

A big problem of experiencing anxiety and depression is that your life seems to go into "tunnel vision" mode.. you get a much narrower perspective on things and seem to forget all the good times of the past and loose hope for the future. But once you get your mind to stop looping and just let shit flow again you understand how amazing shit is and that you dont want to miss out on any of it.. this is where you need to be strong and realize you can face it, its just a matter of small decisions like passing that joint on instead of hitting it as always, or just talk to that girl even though you risk making a fool of yourself for stuttering all over the place.. after all emotions are just energy with some paint on it.. kind of. they're all the same. there is no good or evil.

Vaya: I hear you.. even though my weed habit started as innocent fun, at some point it evolved to something more of a habit. Not because I thought I needed it, just because it was EVERYWHERE, and it was fun! After entering my "derealized" state things changed though, then it was just a way of getting to sleep at night.
The psychedelics DID help. Felt like a push forward. But I should only have done it once. Quitting drugs doesn't seem that foreign to me, actually the thought of it really excites me. What I mostly wanted to ask about with this thread is if someone else has been experiencing the same things as I do, especially the weed part of it since thats where the problem started.
Thanks for listening everyone! Getting thoughts like these out of my head feels really good. I feel "sane" enough not to waist any psychologist or doctors time. (actually the doctor mostly waisted mine by not really listening to anything I said. If the doctor is gonna help me I want him to take a deep look at this problem not just telling me I did something stupid, duuuh.)
 
Man, I personally don't think psychedelics ever did me much harm, because I used them in moderation, on average once every season.

I have had both good and bad trips. Funny thing is, my bad trips were always physical in nature, I've never mentally had a problem with the effects. I just became extremely anxious and felt like I was going to have a heart attack. I run 10k/s on a regular basis and work out all the time - my blood pressure is fine and there isn't anything wrong with my heart. Plus, psychedelics arn't supposed to be too physically demanding. I've come to realize that these bad trips were actually good in a way, because I would basically be slapped in the face with important life lessons. These life lessons were related to my abuse of the common drugs marijuana and alcohol at the time. The psychedelics would amplify my experience of my body, and really let me know that I was treating it like shit.

As a sober individual, I've never had much problem tripping man. But back when I was an alcoholic, the psychedelics really made me see the insane damage I was doing to my body because of that, and how stupid it was. And when I went to smoke a joint on the psychedelics, a typical habit of mine, I would be slapped in the face: YOU, SIR, ARE A JUNKIE! No wonder I would get terrible anxious reactions, when I would take acid while I was living the escapist life of a total pothead, a slave to the weed.

I'm still addicted to weed, I battle it each and every day. I really, really need to quit - sounds like you may need to as well. It's so addictive, it has such a hold on me. It never did me any good, and it grabbed me by the balls. I'm sorry to say it, but I have a love / hate relationship with pot, and the "love" part is just my addiction deceiving me. I don't actually like being an anxious stoner one bit and I use it to ward off withdrawal symptoms and cravings. Until your problems subside, I think you should try to stay as sober as possible. I really see so much awesome improvement in my anxiety levels when I stay sober, especially from the weed.
 
Dude, your stories are so familiar! I would also consider myself a healthy individual.. up to october last year I worked as a bike messenger so I got like 6-7 hour cardio-workout a day. I haven't been smoking weed since last thursday and man do I feel a difference! I'm lucky to have the best friends standing behind me on this and "keeping an eye on me" helps soo much. never really had a problem with other drugs aside from weed and psychedelics.. the side effects just aren't worth it, I can't handle it. If you decide to quit, go cold turkey! And keep busy, occupy your mind with anything besides weed. Get drunk if you have too.. I always have some sleep troubles when I stop smoking.. like not falling asleep as easy and waking up sweating etc.. so if you feel you need something to get you to sleep I feel like its ok to do drink, take downers and stuff like that. As long as you don't make a habit of it ya know?! I don't think thats even on the map for us.. I don't know you but if you're anything like me you're too aware of shit to let that happen. Like.. too sensitive maybe? It just wouldn't feel right. Does any of this make sense too you?
 
oh and the "weed-abstinence" lasts for like a week or something. Like the physical distress.. mentally I think its really up to the individual, but making a decision like this can be really motivating!
 
Man, I'm such a confused dude. I just don't think I can handle weed man, I'm too addicted. I haven't smoked in 4 days, I don't have any withdrawal symptoms apart from cravings. For some reason I really want to get high, even though getting high just makes me anxious and feels like shit. I'm really trying hard to beat my addiction man.

Man, could you explain this vasoconstriction/muscle pain a bit better to me? Where are you feeling it? Do you only feel it when you're high on chemical psychedelics, or is it an aftereffect? Did you ever abuse psychedelics? Do you feel like the psychedelics burned you, or is it just weed anxiety?

I never abused psychedelics, but I've definitely experienced muscle tension and vasoconstriction from the handful of times I have taken LSD. It even lasted a little while after the high wore off. I don't think it's a big deal though, I'm not sure that can actually harm your body. Magic mushrooms are really chill in my body, so I usually stick to those when I am looking for a stronger experience.

Man, during periods of heavy cannabis use, I do not mesh with any other drugs. No coffee, no psychedelics, no alcohol... cannabis just makes me hypersensitive to anything. When I'm stoned, coffee makes me feel like absolute shit... I had a couple espressos at a rave the other day (I'm off the weed now) and was absolutely fine with that. If I had done that in combination with a hit of pot, I would have felt tingly/numbness in my hands and feet, I would have felt dizzy, I would have spent the whole rave thinking about my heart rate. Man, I honestly think that smoking a lot of weed has a really bad effect on the cardiovascular system, and it is guys like us with sensitive bodies who become aware of that. I mean, isn't it a scientific fact that you have, like 5 times a greater chance of having a heart attack during the first hour after you smoke weed? It sounds like you really keep in touch with your body as well, being a fellow person who likes exercise a lot.

I just think, that in my case anyway, it's the thousands and thousands of hits of pot, not the 5 hits of acid. I don't even really have any problems when I'm off the pot, but as a stoner I am pretty much psychotic. Maybe the psychedelics changed the way I experience weed, I mean they did for sure, but I really think that weed has been no good for me at all since day 1.

Pot is not a harmless toy. It is a powerful consciousness expanding drug. You can't smoke it all day, that's honestly just so fucking stupid. I found out the hard way, and now I have no choice but to abandon it forever, which I have A LOT of difficulty accomplishing.

Man, in my eyes, anyone who uses cannabis on a daily basis is a drug addict. I have never in my life met a single person who benefits from doing this, and I have known so many people who burn themselves out doing so without even realizing what is happening to them. Most of the habitual tokers I know are very, very selfish people, who really don't give a fuck about anything but their drug habit which they will do anything and everything to defend. I am personally not too much of a selfish guy as a sober individual, I mean I know how to stand up for myself, but as a stoner I have a lot of anger, jealousy, pride etc. And to think, it's associated with peace and love when it for the most part just makes people self obsessed dumbasses! And let's be honest here, it makes you fucking stupid (I'm not talking about long term effects, just that it numbs your brain when you're on it). I'm such a smarter guy off the weed and I know a lot of stoners/addicts who say the same, yet continue to burn all day long. The actual medicinal users with health problems are very rare. The thing is, it's just a really addictive drug, and people like to pretend that it doesn't have any side effects, because of how it's illegal when it shouldn't be (alcohol and cigarettes are still way worse for you). People really like to stand up for their drug addictions to weed, and in a world of pot culture, it is easy to go along with that crap instead of manning up and coming face to face with addiction. Plus, it's an ego trip. You don't want to seem weak by not being able to handle little weed. I'll be honest with you, it's the only drug I have never been able to handle. I know very few people who smoke weed without having abused it at one point or another.

This is my humble opinion. I've been smoking for a decade, and I've been around a lot of people who use cannabis. I didn't used to think this way; I used to be an avid advocate for cannabis use, until I realized that it had ruined my brain and turned me into a selfish addict, and I saw the same thing happening to quite a few of my stoner companions.

Man, my addiction to weed has actually ruined my life though. There is absolutely no point in me continuing to exist so long as I am on this garbage, but I have been trying to quit for 3 years and I haven't managed to do so yet. I have managed breaks for 2 to 3 months, and I literally don't have any mental problems. Everything is pot induced, and I also really feel that weed has most definitely fucked my body up too in certain respects. It's so unhealthy. It's really been such a negative thing for me, weed did to me what I was worried that my moderate Mdma use would eventually do but never did. I hate it so much, it's torture being an addict to something that I actually despise so much. Weed = life ruining trash, for so many people, it's really sad how it scrambles so many brains, ruins so many lives. It seems so benign, like it's nothing to worry about, but that is exactly how it sneaks up on you and bites you in the ass.

I really hope that you can find the strength to beat this shit too dude. Just remember - no exceptions, not one puff, if you make the decision to stop using.
 
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Oh how I know that feeling! But for some reason lately I've not been having it as much. But yeah.. I think its only natural wanting to "feel more relaxed" since that is what we learned that being high is like. I mean at least for me the first couple of years was very enjoyable. No worries at all. But in the end you just exhaust your brain and need to fix it.

The vasoconstriction is happening kind of all the time. I feel it when I drink coffee or smoke cigarettes or doing anything that excites my nerves. But when I'm on psychedelics (all psychedelics shrooms, lsd, phenetylamines) I get it extra bad.
My reaction to weed though is something a little different. The pain is more in my muscles, it feels like i have a belt strapped really tight round my head and pain shoots down from my neck and i get twitchy. I also get anxious when the effects wear off.
With psychedelics I dont get anxious.. they always felt more "sane" to me than weed, I have no problem handling most doses. Psychedelics are weird, you're like high as fuck and at the same time you feel like the most sober you've ever been?! I guess I was abusing them though. I was tripping every other week for one whole summer.

Right now I haven't used weed for a month and last time I did shrooms was mid october. I really should stop drinking coffee but I really don't want to. I still feel a bit lightheaded and achy at times but I think it's slowly getting better. I live in sweden and winter gets kind of dark here. I think when spring hits we'll both feel better!

I really hope that you're still staying clean! The first weeks are definitely the hardest, after a while you'll get used to everyday life without toking. And also.. don't forget to have fun! Act like you'd want to act if you were high. Not like high on weed. High on what you think weed should be like! Did that make sense, haha?! Just stay strong, try to have fun, love people maybe they'll love you back, do fun stuff, don't take things too seriously. GOOD LUCK!!
 
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