Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

[AutoTripper]

Imho the big deal is far more about shutting down small busineses yet allowing large corporations to stay open.
all this did was give these huge companies more market share and control, the same companies that have financial ties to the politicians that are making these policies.

You are totally right there, IMO. It is indeed a very big deal, and a prominent strategy.

But a "visible" one I would call it.

The scary thing about this is that the overall extensiveness, thoroughness, depth, scale and cunningness, let alone pure wickedness, of the entire plan and program in attempt, is literally beyond the imagination for many people.

There are multiple agendas, woven like strings in a rope.

Edit- just to add, IMO again and many other's, to say "all this did" in a general sense would be innacurate, not even qualifying as an understatement. Not being critical of yourself at all, just making the points.

 

[alasdairm]

The scary thing about this is that the overall extensiveness, thoroughness, depth, scale and cunningness, let alone pure wickedness, of the entire plan and program in attempt, is literally beyond the imagination for many people.

define "this"?

it's not clear what you're describing, specifically, but you seem convinced that, whatever it is, its scale is enormous and its reach extensive?

what evidence do you have? what proof at all?

alasdair

 

[JGrimez]

anti-masks, Trump supporters as well as Bolsonaro supporters, anti-vax, flat-earthers, how people can be so ignorant in 2021 with all information easily available on the internet.

Wow you really threw all the smears together in there. Not sure how all of that is related though.

You also seem to have glossed over my posts containing a lot of scientific information. What it shows is that the scientific/medical consensus disagrees with what many governments are mandating globally.

Scientific consensus showing that masks don't work to prevent covid-like viruses

Scientific consensus on masks causing physiological and psychological damage

So here's the information for you. Saved you some time with doing research.

 

[JGrimez]

what evidence do you have? what proof at all?

Open your eyes and look at what's happening to the world that you live in.
It's not normal for governments to destroy the lives of so many people, to allegedly protect a tiny % of the elderly.
But it's been 9 months already, if one hasn't realized by now that we're being conned then I'd say they're an example of this being "beyond their imagination".
I believe it's based on fear, that the world is turning out to be a place that they did not expect.
But they better wake up and accept what's happening ASAP because that's the only way that things have a hope of being rectified.

 

[AutoTripper]

define "this"?

it's not clear what you're describing, specifically, but you seem convinced that, whatever it is, its scale is enormous and its reach extensive?

what evidence do you have? what proof at all?

alasdair

"This"...is plain and simple, a cunning attack on humanity. I see unbearable reality of it I would so long to be fantasy.

I can't give you the (type of) proof you ask for.

One, I'm no lawyer and clerical, remedial stuff is a weakness of mine.

But anything I might dig up, you may disregard as crazy conspiracy stuff.

I comment with respect, and sheerly out of courtesy.

I really hope to be wrong, but I can't even really say that because my awareness won't permit it.

If all is well, eventually, hopefully soon, plot or no plot, that's all matters.

I hope we have full truth and transparency on things in near time to come.

 

[alasdairm]

plain and simple, a cunning attack on humanity.

that's so vague it could be almost anything. but, then, isn't that often the way with this kind of thing? no specifics. so that just about anything can be part of the plan. because, that way it can't be held to scrutiny because then it just falls apart.

I can't give you the (type of) proof you ask for.

that's just not good enough. to somebody for whom the truth is sincerely important, that just can't be good enough.

But anything I might dig up, you may disregard as crazy conspiracy stuff.

again, how convenient. you can't or won't even give me the chance.

the truth is important.

focusing purely on the u.s., the trump administration has been a 4 year assault on the truth. from day one, president trump abandoned the truth. because the truth doesn't work for president trump. he can't win on the merits of an argument or by negotiation. if it comes down to the truth he just loses. so he has to come at it from a different angle. he has to attack the credibility of the sources of truth. and so phrases like "alternate facts" and "fake media" are born because we didn't have them before. because we didn't need them until somebody so poorly qualified, so unfit to hold that office came along and the system had to evolve to accommodate it.

the system was tested. we had to ask ourselves questions we'd never had to ask before. can the president pardon himself? and such.

and the election further tested the system. president trump lost the popular vote. he lost the electoral college. 50 or so lawsuits in which to make his case that a widespread fraud resulted in the election of the wrong candidate. the u.s. court system - at various levels in the hierarchy right up to the supreme court of the u.s. - completely and utterly rejected this claim. it did not happen. trump went up against the u.s. legal system and lost convincingly. and he lost because, in court, the truth matters. evidence matters.

his position was, simply put, "the election was a fraud but i have no evidence"

your position is, simply put, "there's a cunning attack on humanity but i have no evidence"

it's not good enough.

alasdair

 

[Hylight]

No, it's not the scientific/medical consensus, it was what the US Surgeon General said in February. Not long after that, the consensus changed. This was due to two things: new information about how contagious the virus is, and no longer having a shortage of PPE for medical professionals.

The original reason for recommending against masks was that there were not enough for nurses and doctors. That pretty quickly stopped being the case, and the medical scientific community realized their error. Hence my saying that the early messaging was poorly done.

Think about it. If you cough or sneeze, with a piece of cloth over your face, afterwards check out that cloth. It's fully of liquid that you blasted into it. That liquid otherwise would have gone into the air.

What is the big fucking deal about mask wearing? I STILL don't get it. What does it cost you? Just wear a fucking mask until this is over. The cost to you if you're right is negligible. If the cost to society if you're wrong if not negligible. Are you afraid of feeling like an idiot? I honestly don't get it. I get protesting shutdowns and stuff, that does affect people. Mask wearing doesn't. But a lot of people rail against it like it means we're no better than China or something. Makes no sense to me. Can you explain to me what the big deal about wearing a mask in public is?

i wear a mask ! good information though !

 

[negrogesic]

There is no point in getting involved in this but if any of these naysayers were to join me to visit my long time ER physician friend in los angeles when he's on duty they'd have a different perspective. I had to go see him on call (for business reasons) and he took me around to see. I didnt really want to go in very far due to the risk but he was nice enough to let me use his assigned PAPR respirator headset that he doesn't use.

Its very distrubing. Ill never forget it. Apart from the old and obese were suprisingamount of young healthy looking people gasping for air. All the patients with blue feet, fingers and faces. So many patients unattended. I saw a heavily pregnant woman unconscious on an intubated and her foot was bandaged from toe amputation.

You armchair idiot naysayers watching your youtube conspiracy bullshit are a plague in your own right and the reason the US is getting fucked in the ass by this so disproportionately than other country.

My grandmother is dying of it as we speak. And you fools who think its "98%" survival, guess what? Imaging now shows irreversible heart and kidney damage is occuring in young patients with no to few symptoms at an alarming rate. This will haunt the healthcare system for decades.

Wear your fucking masks and keep away from other people so we can get a handle on this. Ive stood in the hallways of horrors full of terrified breathless patients. Have you?

 

[Hylight]

Omg. ☹

 

[novaveritas]

There is no point in getting involved in this but if any of these naysayers were to join me to visit my long time ER physician friend in los angeles when he's on duty they'd have a different perspective. I had to go see him on call (for business reasons) and he took me around to see. I didnt really want to go in very far due to the risk but he was nice enough to let me use his assigned PAPR respirator headset that he doesn't use.

Its very distrubing. Ill never forget it. Apart from the old and obese were suprisingamount of young healthy looking people gasping for air. All the patients with blue feet, fingers and faces. So many patients unattended. I saw a heavily pregnant woman unconscious on an intubated and her foot was bandaged from toe amputation.

You armchair idiot naysayers watching your youtube conspiracy bullshit are a plague in your own right and the reason the US is getting fucked in the ass by this so disproportionately than other country.

My grandmother is dying of it as we speak. And you fools who think its "98%" survival, guess what? Imaging now shows irreversible heart and kidney damage is occuring in young patients with no to few symptoms at an alarming rate. This will haunt the healthcare system for decades.

Wear your fucking masks and keep away from other people so we can get a handle on this. Ive stood in the hallways of horrors full of terrified breathless patients. Have you?

So lets get this straight. You were visiting a hospital on business, collecting or delivering?

Instead you went on a bit of Covid-19 theme park tourism.

The way you tell it you went into a hot zone without training and without any legitimate reason or justification, you used a powered respirator which you borrowed from your doctor friend. You broke sanitary and you broke infection control, isolation for why?

Your doctor buddy tour guide went along with this.

The way it looks is this, You and your doctor friend were deeply irresponsible and reckless, and on that basis you are in no position whatever to lecture anyone about anything, especiallly accepting responsibility for your actions.

feel free to clarify

 

[JessFR]

There is no point in getting involved in this but if any of these naysayers were to join me to visit my long time ER physician friend in los angeles when he's on duty they'd have a different perspective.

With respect I think you have underestimated how far gone a lot of these people are.

There's a lot of accounts of these kinds of people still refusing to believe it all the way until the virus kills them.

There are occasionally people with the strength to eventually realize how wrong they were. But most of the time, I can only assume the psychological difficult of accepting how much of a fool you've been is too great. And the human mind has a limitless ability to believe what it wants to believe.

You were right to start with. There's no point getting involved. There's no point even talking to these kinds of people. It's like arguing with religious fanatics. It's completely pointless 99.9% of the time and life is too short to keep fighting in hopes of reaching that 0.01%.

 

[JGrimez]

i wear a mask ! good information though !

That's not good information. The actual science that I posted is good information. What is wrong with people???
There's no scientific or medical reason to wear a mask if you're 'asymptomatic' (previously known as 'healthy')

So lets get this straight. You were visiting a hospital on business, collecting or delivering?

Instead you went on a bit of Covid-19 theme park tourism.

The way you tell it you went into a hot zone without training and without any legitimate reason or justification, you used a powered respirator which you borrowed from your doctor friend. You broke sanitary and you broke infection control, isolation for why?

Your doctor buddy tour guide went along with this.

The way it looks is this, You and your doctor friend were deeply irresponsible and reckless, and on that basis you are in no position whatever to lecture anyone about anything, especiallly accepting responsibility for your actions.

feel free to clarify

I've noticed a few people blatantly lying regarding covid details. It's almost as if they feel like the end justifies the means and must perpetuate the narrative.

 

[JGrimez]

When government directives make no sense, and god knows this 'pandemic' has been defined by illogicality, you can be fairly sure that the stated reason for the directives are NOT the real reason.

 

[novaveritas]

With respect I think you have underestimated how far gone a lot of these people are.

There's a lot of accounts of these kinds of people still refusing to believe it all the way until the virus kills them.

There are occasionally people with the strength to eventually realize how wrong they were. But most of the time, I can only assume the psychological difficult of accepting how much of a fool you've been is too great. And the human mind has a limitless ability to believe what it wants to believe.

they, them these people? is that smug self righteous liberal code for Untermensch?

Covidianism has become a religion complete with high priests, acolytes, dogmatic positions, believers, non-believers and heretics.

The virus doesn't fucking care.

quick to roll out pseudo-psychological diagnoses of people who don't agree with your narrow world view as having psychological issues, But perhaps it is the people who perhaps disagree with your view who went out and kept the show going who realised there is a balance to be struck, whilst you cowered behind the couch are the same people who you claim have psychological issues. I suggest a course of introspection.

The virus doesn't care.

 

[JGrimez]

Science says you are unlikely to get Covid
Science says if you do, you have a 99.97% survival rate
Science says masks don't work
Science says asymptomatic transmission doesn't exist
Science says even if it does, it's a minor factor
Science says the Vax won't stop transmission

#FollowTheScience

 

[JGrimez]

The Pfizer mRna vaccine was designed as two doses to be given 3 weeks apart, presumably for efficacy.
Now, the UK govt. has decided to push that 2nd dose back to 12 weeks.
The ostensible reason for this is to "give more people the first dose".
Certainly, it can have nothing to do with the reports of significant adverse responses after the 2nd dose.
A mass, in vivo experimentation of a new mRNA vaccine is underway on the global population, and no one seems to care.

 

[JGrimez]

Many front-line workers refuse Covid vaccines as distribution rollout struggles

About 50 percent of workers in California’s Riverside County have refused to take the vaccine, along with 60 percent of nursing home staff in Ohio.

A survey of 2,053 New York City firefighters found that more than half said they would refuse the Covid-19 vaccine when it became available to them, according to a poll released by the Uniformed Firefighters Association this month.

 

[AutoTripper]

Science says you are unlikely to get Covid
Science says if you do, you have a 99.97% survival rate
Science says masks don't work
Science says asymptomatic transmission doesn't exist
Science says even if it does, it's a minor factor
Science says the Vax won't stop transmission

#FollowTheScience

Also, according to official government records which cannlegally be requested to prove the genuine existence of something, such as a particular pathogen, identified in isolation, science does not say that Covid19 exists.

But we are like the equators arguning about how to get the poles to conjoin (not you and I JGrimez, but "Us" and "them" lol, as we seem to have categories now with an according numbskull rating lol.)

 

[Xorkoth]

Also, according to official government records which cannlegally be requested to prove the genuine existence of something, such as a particular pathogen, identified in isolation, science does not say that Covid19 exists.

Can you point me to such a government record? If I saw a government record stating covid-19 doesn't exist, that would be something that might change my mind.

I thought you said you had it? Am I thinking of someone else?

 

[AutoTripper]

I am genuinely sorry for everybody who has actually lost close people, friends and family, to any cause since this pandemic(?) erupted.

I KNOW it can be nasty. I know it can cause liver, kidney issues etc even in ypung healthy people.

I said before, Covid was in my top 5 infections of 2019.

Legit Flu is top with coxsackie A21 virus tied very different but both a ton worse than covid IME.

Coxsackie B4 definitely under those two.

Covid can scrap with the other less severe infections to see who gets on the podium.

That was just me of course.

One thing I shan't be held, as said in England- "Bang to rights", is to so pedantically proove and convince anybody who really cannot see with open eyes, the scale of attack humanity is under and the agenda behind it all.

I never said I was walkong textbook mainstream news article proof man.

The truth will out in time.