Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

[dalpat077]

Anyone else find it a tad odd that JGrimez knows an American military pilot... When he lives in Australia?

How do you know it’s a military pilot?

 

[JessFR]

How do you know it’s a military pilot?

I thought he said or implied it was? I'd have to recheck the post.

 

[JessFR]

So this virus has a 99.97% recovery rate and even 94.6% among the most elderly.
Do you support mandating the vaccine globally? If not, you shouldn't take it, mass non-compliance is the only way that we can object to a global mandate.
You don't need to answer but what field do you work in?
A friend is a US pilot and he doesn't want to take it but doesn't want to lose his job either. I think it's despicable that they are basically forcing people to take it.

Right OK, he didn't say military pilot. I suspect that I just assumed it because there was a mention earlier about soldiers having to take the vaccine, and because why would you say "us pilot" rather than just pilot if them being American has no relevance?

 

[Sympy]

I just got diagnosed with the Cornavirus yesterday. My chest feels restricted and I cant breath in all the way.

I smoke cigarettes and recently started smokeing meth again.

I'm definitely buttered toast BL nice knowing ya.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

You are definitely going to die.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Anyone else find it a tad odd that JGrimez knows an American military pilot... When he lives in Australia?

I don't think it's odd, no. I'm from NZ and I know people from all over the world.

 

[JGrimez]

Right OK, he didn't say military pilot. I suspect that I just assumed it because there was a mention earlier about soldiers having to take the vaccine, and because why would you say "us pilot" rather than just pilot if them being American has no relevance?

I was simply giving more details. He's based in SC and he actually trains commercial pilots. I met him in Japan, sometimes people travel and they meet other people. One of the reasons I know so much is because I actively seek out communication with people from all across the world to listen to their insights.

 

[JGrimez]

Guy who went into this pub in England ordered a portion of chips (fries). He was told he had to order two. When he asked why, he was told "it's to keep you safe".

As I've said before, these ridiculous 'rules' handed down by the govt. are totally detached from anything remotely resembling public health. There's a reason for that. This is not about public health, and never has been.

 

[JessFR]

Meh, guess it is just me then.

 

[JGrimez]

This is Nobel Prize winner Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR test, speaking about Anthony Fauci, the man who continues to advocate abusing Mullis's invention to find sickness where there is none. (Mullis accused Fauci in the 80s and 90s of using the PCR to diagnose an untold number of healthy individuals with HIV.) Sickness generates business even if it's only perceived sickness.

Mullis INVENTED the test which now dictates our daily lives and the results of which, decide whether your business can stay open or not, so he knew what it does. (He died around 3 months before the 'pandemic' started) He said himself that using PCR, you can find 'anything in anyone' if you want to. That is because it amplifies,, and will keep amplifying for as many cycles as you wish to run it. He also said that it was NEVER meant to be a diagnostic tool.

Ask yourself this. Mullis and countless other professionals/scientists etc know, and have said, that any positive result obtained at a cycle threshold of above 30 is entirely meaningless. Why then are most European and US labs running their PCR tests at between 40 and 45 cycles? You know the answer, as do I. It's mindblowingly corrupt and it's driving this thing forward. The evidence is right there in front of you.

ABOVE 30 - Entirely meaningless
European and US labs - 40 -45 cycles.

I am not making this up. Start with this and ask yourself why that is. Look into it. Do your own 'research'.

 

[PtahTek]

I do not understand all this "testing" going on when they could easily focus all that energy, money and medical "time" to actually fight back against this virus. I mean, we fuckin know the virus is rampant; what the hell is testing gonna do?
Can someone explain this to me?
Thanks

 

[dalpat077]

Alright. So he's a commercial airline pilot. But while awaiting @JGrimez's response and with hindsight it matters not.

It would seem that the assumption was made that he is a USAF pilot.

And I am appalled that some people assumed this and suggested that if any vaccine was mandatory that he could simply refuse and go and fly for some private company as it was his choice to sign up and that there's no conscription. I've not found a post re: the military (it's a very long thread) but I'm guessing the same would have been said for the military or for the police or for the navy.

It that how fucked everything has become? Apparently so. And says a lot about what's been happening in America and what's about to come!

Those are not JUST jobs! Not like some office job or a packer at Walmart! They are CALLINGS! Have some respect!

Like I said. It makes no difference the answer because it was assumed that he is a USAF pilot. So assuming a vaccine was compulsory but said pilot wasn't willing to be vaccinated. No problem to some it would seem. Out of the military and relegated to flying rich mother fuckers around in their jets or some crop duster. Or a navy man. Bye now. Maybe relegated to sailing on some fishing trawler somewhere owned by a Chinese. Or a police officer. Thanks for your service. Relegated to becoming some private investigator or security guard somewhere. Or a soldier. Cheers and thanks. But this would all be alright simply because they were not forced to become soldiers or sailors or pilots!

Unreal.

Pissed off as I was though and while waiting for an answer I did a bit of checking around. Don't quote me on this but on the military sites at least: it would appear that vaccinations will not be compulsory until there is final FDA approval of said vaccines (and which could apparently take months if not more). While FDA approval is under emergency use status it will remain voluntary.

In addition: the military receive many vaccines and which do appear to be mandatory (obviously such having been thoroughly tested and final approval given by the FDA). And I assume this is a known before somebody enters the military.

Anyway. The above has less to do with any vaccine but a whole lot to do with the contempt that's shown for the police and the military and the navy.

I cannot comment on the actual facts of the matter i.e. the fact that we're talking about a commercial airline pilot. But that too is not something that you strive for, spend years and years working toward, and then only to be tossed out because you refuse to take a vaccine that's not been tested proper or approved.

 

[JessFR]

I do not understand all this "testing" going on when they could easily focus all that energy, money and medical "time" to actually fight back against this virus. I mean, we fuckin know the virus is rampant; what the hell is testing gonna do?
Can someone explain this to me?
Thanks

Well at bare minimum testing allows people who have the virus but aren't symptomatic to know not to visit vulnerable people.

 

[JessFR]

If you're military you have surrendered some of the rights the rest of us enjoy for the duration of your service. For the good of the military as a whole that means you can be obligated to be vaccinated.

This has happened before. The anthrax vaccine for instance. You don't even have the right to quit. So long as you're active military participation is not optional.

It unlikely to happen with the covid vaccine any time soon, but it can happen and it's totally legal.

Here's how it comes down, when you enlist you accept that you may be ordered to do things that you may not agree with, that may even incur a degree of personal risk. That's just how it is.

As for the civilian world. Noone can be rightly made to be vaccinated. But requiring vaccination for certain voluntary services is legal. The only question is if it's moral. Personally I'd much rather wait and see if enough people take it on their own before going down that road. I'd also prefer to try less punitive measures to encourage vaccination first.

 

[S.J.B.]

This is Nobel Prize winner Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR test, speaking about Anthony Fauci, the man who continues to advocate abusing Mullis's invention to find sickness where there is none. (Mullis accused Fauci in the 80s and 90s of using the PCR to diagnose an untold number of healthy individuals with HIV.) Sickness generates business even if it's only perceived sickness.

Mullis INVENTED the test which now dictates our daily lives and the results of which, decide whether your business can stay open or not, so he knew what it does. (He died around 3 months before the 'pandemic' started) He said himself that using PCR, you can find 'anything in anyone' if you want to. That is because it amplifies,, and will keep amplifying for as many cycles as you wish to run it. He also said that it was NEVER meant to be a diagnostic tool.

Ask yourself this. Mullis and countless other professionals/scientists etc know, and have said, that any positive result obtained at a cycle threshold of above 30 is entirely meaningless. Why then are most European and US labs running their PCR tests at between 40 and 45 cycles? You know the answer, as do I. It's mindblowingly corrupt and it's driving this thing forward. The evidence is right there in front of you.

ABOVE 30 - Entirely meaningless
European and US labs - 40 -45 cycles.

I am not making this up. Start with this and ask yourself why that is. Look into it. Do your own 'research'.

This is nonsense. Also, when posting someone else's words, you should indicate that with a quote box or quotation marks.

 

[mal3volent]

I do not understand all this "testing" going on when they could easily focus all that energy, money and medical "time" to actually fight back against this virus. I mean, we fuckin know the virus is rampant; what the hell is testing gonna do?
Can someone explain this to me?
Thanks

you test positive, you quarantine so you don't infect others. your coworkers, your grandma, your children. contact tracers are able to warn others you have been close to recently so they can get tested as well. the more knowledgeable people are about who has it and who doesn't, the more we can keep the virus from spreading.

 

[novaveritas]

This is Nobel Prize winner Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR test, speaking about Anthony Fauci, the man who continues to advocate abusing Mullis's invention to find sickness where there is none. (Mullis accused Fauci in the 80s and 90s of using

Ask yourself this. Mullis and countless other professionals/scientists etc know, and have said, that any positive result obtained at a cycle threshold of above 30 is entirely meaningless. Why then are most European and US labs running their PCR tests at between 40 and 45 cycles? You know the answer, as do I. It's mindblowingly corrupt and it's driving this thing forward. The evidence is right there in front of you.

ABOVE 30 - Entirely meaningless
European and US labs - 40 -45 cycles.

I am not making this up. Start with this and ask yourself why that is. Look into it. Do your own 'research'.

not quite correct,

This is what is known as qPCR and every sample is cycled out to 40 or 45 cycles depending on the protocol, it is measured after each cycle, if it is over the predetermined threshold it is tagged positive. With most commercial protocols, if the sample does not cross the threshold at 35 or 38 and still does not cross at 40 or 45 then it is declared negative. To get a clear negative the sample has to be negative at out to 40 or 45 on the probes. Single probe positives between 35 and 38 are generally inconclusive, most tests are 2 or 3 gene probe. One positive at 35 and second before 37-38 is technically positive and is called as positive.

The threshold should be crossed well below 25 or 26 for a sample from an infectious person. every positive above with a Ct above 25-26 is questionable, either they are early infection cycle or it is residual RNA. Put it simply they aren't infectious if you can't culture virus and that is what people should care about.

A positive PCR does not indicate current coronavirus infection and a positive PCR is not a diagnosis of Covid19.

Samples PCR positive at Ct >30 generally never give virus on culture and are wholly deceptive. Coronavirus is really easy to culture in vitro but using samples from PCR positives where the Ct is over 25 or 26 it doesn't culture. Pragmatically 25 to 26 Ct is important because above that a positve is not going to infect anyone.

In the real world even when the virus is quite prevalent and increasing in prevalence 50% of PCR positives have a Ct above 25-26. When the prevalence is static or declining almost all PCR positives will have a Ct above 26 and are cold positives.

It is clear that a lot of people who are forced to isolate following a positive PCR are not infected or infectious.

Contact tracing the contacts of a positive is just as likely to find the person who infected them and the person who infected them both of whom will no longer be infectious rather than finding anyone subsequently infected.

PCR is a good tool used carefully but people need to understand it has serious limits. Mullis did. The aliens that abducted him did, and so did the glowing psychedelic raccoon. Unfortunately the raccoon will have to wait for the dumber humans to catch up looking around this could take some time.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

@PtahTek
Testing makes sense when contact tracing and containment is the strategy. In Australia and NZ if people have positive test results they are told to self-quarantine so they don't infect other people and we try and determine who they might have infected. Not sure if you're doing that in the US, but I assume that you don't go to work if you know you're infected and potentially go to the hospital.

There are many reasons for tests.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah we do that in America too.

A number of people have it and are able to spread it, but have no symptoms or very light symptoms. So testing is the only way to know. If you get exposed to someone with covid, you and everyone else exposed is supposed to get a test, so that way, if anyone got it, they know and can self-isolate.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

"temporary business capacity restrictions" nice communist spin on the actual destruction of economies and livelihoods of the middle-class

just move the line outside, 6 feet space etc.

wear warm clothes so the restaurants can open

I can agree some businesses are being hurt worse than others

That's why they should have kept up the economic relief.

It's actually why we should go to war with DPRK