Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

[SunriseChampion]

Humour is what kept me from suiciding up in the worst of times, so, trust me.....it's worth the chuckle, every time.

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

Humour is what kept me from suiciding up in the worst of times, so, trust me.....it's worth the chuckle, every time.

I’m glad you’re still with us! You’re right about laughing. Do you like Bill Burr? I haven’t listened to his PAWDCAST in quite a while. I’m about to catch up on it. He cracks me up.

 

[JGrimez]

Please read the editor's note in that article.

Well that changes everything! They said "don't look here!"
(that's like "see Snopes")

In the middle "But other virologists question whether the information gleaned from the experiment [a virus that is a lab creation, a non-natural risk] justifies the potential risk"

THIS is why I think many countries are doing such lab work. If not as a weapon, then defensively to better understand how viruses work, and how to deal with them when a new and unexpected one erupts (lab made or natural made). Again, not wanting to think anyone is doing such experiments out of maliciousness, but science DOES have a mandate to explore, understand, and help us prepare defensively for such things. This inherently creates the additional risk of a 'lab experiment escape' out to the general population, unfortunately.

That's a very charitable assessment of the psychopaths in charge. I wish I shared the same level of optimism.
The US government is lifting a ban on engineering deadly viruses to make them more dangerous (Dec 2017)
Why was the ban enacted in the first place? Should we trust these people?

And I don't understand how some people can still disbelieve the idea that this was produced in a lab.

I'm apparently an outlier in thinking that the economic effects will be uncomfortable but not disastrous. Time will tell.

Coronavirus crisis could plunge half a billion people into poverty: Oxfam
Not an outlier just fear-based wishful thinkig.

weren't people freaked out that fema/new world order nonsense wouyld happen post-911, then post-katrina?

People have been freaked out by this for much longer than that. But now it seems like it's actually happening. Don't you see it at all? Are you not even a little bit concerned?
To be fair you won't need to go to a re-education camp if you don't need re-education.


Does science involve artificially inflating figures?:

Good job Ohio (or bad/deceptive models?):

 

[JGrimez]

Studies from three different countries show that smokers are much less likely to be victims of COVID19 hospitalization:

China:
9.6% smokers hospitalized vs. 31.2% expected (<0.001), based on Chinese smoking prevalence, suggesting smoking may protect against coronavirus.

France:
A remarkably low rate of smokers are hospitalized with coronavirus compared to smoking prevalence (France 23% ).

USA:
CDC data shows that among 7,162 corona patients with medical records 6,901 were never-smokers (96.3% ), 165 ex-smokers (2.3% ), and only 96 smokers (1.3% )
The reason may be that nicotine down regulate the ACE2 receptor to which SARS-CoV-2 binds.
https://fr.calameo.com/read/0062175782dac24c23c92
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm

"Oh look, here's something that I'm totally unsurprised to read.

Like I said about 3 weeks ago when this all started, there are a LOT of people out there, and I hope they know who they are, that are going to have a lot of thinking to do when the dust has settled and we find out just what you all DID in the name of "protecting people". Sadly, many of those kinds of people generally don't really give a shit about anything except themselves and virtue-signalling their asses off."

 

[Painful One]

 

[JGrimez]

^This will get worse once more people are fed up and wake up.

Meanwhile, in China:
Uproar as McDonald's 'bans black people from entering their store in a Chinese city out of fears they might have coronavirus'

 

[CFC]

I think it's a little too soon to be writing the obituary for the Swedish approach, but it's certainly one of the ones to watch:

Critics question Swedish approach as coronavirus death toll reaches 1,000

Scientists question light-touch tactics as other Nordic countries record lower death rates

Sweden has passed the grim milestone of 1,000 coronavirus deaths, far exceeding the tolls of its nearest neighbours, but suggested it may be nearing the outbreak’s peak as scientists continue to question the government’s light-touch approach.

The Public Health Agency announced a death toll of 1,203 people from Covid-19 on Wednesday, a rate of 101 per million inhabitants, compared to51 in Denmark and just 11 in Finland, both of which imposed strict early lockdowns to curb the virus’s spread.

Sweden’s per-million tally is also significantly higher than the 37 recorded in Germany and the comparable US figure of 79 – but remains lower than the UK’s rate of 182 and far below Italy’s 348 and Spain’s 386.

Polling suggests many Swedes continue to support the government’s strategy, which has entailed urging citizens to take personal responsibility for following physical distancing guidelines rather than strictly enforcing mandatory rules.

Critics question Swedish approach as coronavirus death toll reaches 1,000

Scientists question light-touch tactics as other Nordic countries record lower death rates

www.theguardian.com

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

^This will get worse once more people are fed up and wake up.

Meanwhile, in China:
Uproar as McDonald's 'bans black people from entering their store in a Chinese city out of fears they might have coronavirus'

Good thing I won’t be going to China for an Egg McMuffin anytime soon. With strawberry jelly plz n’ thx!

 

[Ds]

Looks like Trump pulled all the funding for the World Health Organization

Global battle erupts as Trump pulls WHO funding over coronavirus response

President Trump’s decision to suspend funding to the World Health Organization amid the coronavirus crisis touched off an international war of words overnight as Democratic lawmakers in Washington as well as international bodies like the European Union condemned the move.

www.foxnews.com

The more I read about it, the more it sounds like that the WHO knew about the corona virus and tried to help China cover it up.
Now I am not the brightest tool in the shed but if that really happened, and if we could have prevented atleast a few less deaths then I think that is really fucked up for what they did.
Then again, I don't know if that is just Trump being Trump.

Also wanted to add-in:

An emergency measure just passed that will require San Francisco to rent 7,000 hotel rooms to house its entire homeless population

The hotel rooms would give the city's homeless residents space to shelter in place alongside the rest of San Francisco.

www.businessinsider.com

Now that is pretty cool. I can't think of this ever happening in the past, where a city will provide every homeless person a hotel room for a period of time, so they get a chance to 'shelter in place' like everyone else. I really wish that they would do something like that here too. I see homeless people all the time on my way to and from work, and it's really sad. I feel for them because I was homeless too just like they were.

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

I’m pretty sure now that COVID-19 was unleashed deliberately so of course they knew.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Also wanted to add-in:

An emergency measure just passed that will require San Francisco to rent 7,000 hotel rooms to house its entire homeless population

The hotel rooms would give the city's homeless residents space to shelter in place alongside the rest of San Francisco.

www.businessinsider.com

Now that is pretty cool. I can't think of this ever happening in the past, where a city will provide every homeless person a hotel room for a period of time, so they get a chance to 'shelter in place' like everyone else. I really wish that they would do something like that here too. I see homeless people all the time on my way to and from work, and it's really sad. I feel for them because I was homeless too just like they were.

I heard about that on the radio about 2-3 weeks ago, that the Cali Gov was looking into it. Not sure how the funding works, but a great initiative regardless. Begs the question of how long to extend the free residence, as well. Still, I applaud the execution of a good idea.

 

[Painful One]

Everyone in Texas needs to show up at the
“Take Back America”
Rally at the state capital on Saturday 12:00 noon.

If we don’t open America back up, we are all going to starve to death anyway.
Get out there Texas!!!!
We need you!
Defend our civil liberties!

 

[TheLoveBandit]

China knew the coronavirus could become a pandemic in mid-January but for 6 days claimed publicly that there was no evidence it could spread among humans

Painful article, in that it states the same basic facts several times over. But, it does point to China lying, and WHO blindly following their lead.

 

[mr peabody]

The food expiration dates you should actually follow

by J. Kenji López-Alt | New York Times | 15 April 2020

The first thing you should know? The dates have nothing to do with safety.

With most of us quarantined in our homes, chances are you’ve been reacquainting yourself with the forgotten spices and fusty beans from the depths of your pantry. But how fusty is too fusty? When is the right time to throw something out? And what about fresh ingredients? If I’m trying to keep supermarket trips to a minimum, how long can my eggs, dairy and produce keep?

Here’s the first thing you should know: Expiration dates are not expiration dates.

Food product dating, as the U.S. Department of Agriculture calls it, is completely voluntary for all products (with the exception of baby food, more on that later). Not only that, but it has nothing to do with safety. It acts solely as the manufacturer’s best guess as to when its product will no longer be at peak quality, whatever that means. Food manufacturers also tend to be rather conservative with those dates, knowing that not all of us keep our pantries dark and open our refrigerators as minimally as necessary. (I, for one, would never leave the fridge door open for minutes at a time as I contemplate what to snack on.)

Let’s start with the things you definitely don’t have to worry about. Vinegars, honey, vanilla or other extracts, sugar, salt, corn syrup and molasses will last virtually forever with little change in quality. Regular steel-cut or rolled oats will last for a year or so before they start to go rancid, but parcooked oats (or instant oats) can last nearly forever. (Same with grits versus instant grits.)

White flour is almost certainly fine to use, no matter its age. Whole-wheat and other whole-grain flours can acquire a metallic or soapy odor within a few months. This whiter-equals-longer rule of thumb is true for nonground grains as well. Refined white rice, for example, will last for years, while brown rice will last only for months.

This is because unrefined grains contain fats, and fats are the first thing to go off when it comes to dry pantry staples. Tree nuts, typically high in fat, will go rancid within a few months in the pantry. (Store them in the freezer to extend that to a few years.)

For things that go stale, it’s the opposite: Shelf-stable supermarket breads made with oils (and preservatives) can stay soft for weeks in the fridge, but the lean, crusty sourdough from the corner bakery will be stale by the next day and probably start to mold before the week is up. (I slice and freeze my fancy bread, taking it out a slice at a time to toast.)

Dried beans and lentils will remain safe to eat for years after purchase, but they’ll become tougher and take longer to cook as time goes on. If you aren’t sure how old your dried beans are, avoid using them in recipes that include acidic ingredients like molasses or tomatoes. Acid can drastically increase the length of time it takes beans to soften.

We all make fun of our parents for using spices that expired in the 1980s, but, other than losing potency, there’s nothing criminal in using them (unless you consider flavorless chicken paprikash a crime).

What about canned and jarred goods? As a rule, metal lasts longer than glass, which lasts longer than plastic.

So long as there is no outward sign of spoilage (such as bulging or rust), or visible spoilage when you open it (such as cloudiness, moldiness or rotten smells), your canned fruits, vegetables and meats will remain as delicious and palatable as the day you bought them for years (or in the case of, say, Vienna sausages at least as good as they were to begin with). The little button on the top of jarred goods, which will bulge if there has been significant bacterial action inside the jar, is still the best way to tell if the contents are going to be all right to eat. Depending on storage, that could be a year or a decade. Similarly, cans of soda will keep their fizz for years, glass bottles for up to a year and plastic bottles for a few months. (Most plastics are gas-permeable.)

Oils, even rancidity-prone unrefined oils, stored in sealed cans are nearly indestructible as well (as evidenced by the two-gallon tin of roasted sesame oil that I’ve been working through since 2006). Oils in sealed glass bottles, less so. Oil in open containers can vary greatly in shelf life, but all will last longer if you don’t keep them near or above your stovetop, where heat can get to them.

How do you tell if your oil is good? The same way you would with most foods: Follow your nose. Old oil will start to develop metallic, soapy or in some cases — such as with canola oil — fishy smells. Don’t trust your nose? Put a drop on your fingertip and squeeze it. Rancid oil will feel tacky as opposed to slick.

Also from the oil-and-vinegar aisle: Salad dressings will last for months or over a year in the fridge, especially if they come in bottles with narrow squeeze openings (as opposed to open-mouthed jars).

Mustard lasts forever. Ketchup will start to turn color before the year is out, but will still remain palatable. Contrary to popular belief, mayonnaise — especially when it doesn’t contain ingredients like fresh lemon juice or garlic — has an exceptionally long shelf life. (High concentrations of fat, salt and acid are all enemies of bacteria and mold.)

The international aisle is a den of long-lasting sauces, pickles and condiments. I’ve yet to find the quality inflection point for oyster sauce, pickled chiles, chile sauces (like sambal oelek or Sriracha), fermented bean sauces (like hoisin or Sichuan broad-bean chile paste) or fish sauce. Soy sauce has a reputation for longevity, but I keep mine in the refrigerator to fend off the fishy aromas that can start to develop after a few months in the pantry.

We all know what a rotten egg smells like, right? Why else would it be a benchmark for describing so many other bad smells? But how many times have you actually smelled one: Once? Twice? Never? Probably never, at least according to the impromptu poll I conducted on Twitter. That’s because it takes a long time for eggs to go bad.

How long? The Julian date printed on each carton (that’s the three-digit number ranging from 001 for Jan. 1 to 365 for Dec. 31) represents the date the eggs were packed, which, in most parts of the country, can be up to 30 days after the egg was actually laid. The sell-by stamp can be another 30 days after the pack date.

That’s 60 full days! But odds are good that they’ll still be palatable for several weeks longer than that. You’ll run out of hoarded toilet paper before those eggs go bad.

We’ve all accidentally poured some clumpy spoiled milk into our cereal bowls. It seems as if our milk is perfectly fine, until it’s suddenly not. How does it go bad overnight? The truth is, it doesn’t. From the moment you open a carton of milk, bacteria start to digest lactose (milk sugars), and produce acidic byproducts. Once its pH hits 4.6, that’s when casein (milk protein) clumps.

Want longer-lasting milk? Look for “ultrahigh temperature,” or “UHT,” on the label. Milk in these cartons has been pasteurized at high temperatures (275 degrees Fahrenheit: hot enough to destroy not only viruses and bacteria, but bacterial spores as well), then aseptically pumped and sealed into cartons. Most organic milk brands undergo UHT. (Bonus: In the blind taste tests I’ve conducted, most people preferred the sweeter flavor of UHT milk.)

And as for baby food — the only food with federally mandated use-by dating — that expiration date represents the latest date that the manufacturer can guarantee that the food contains not less of each nutrient than what is printed on the label, or, in the case of formula, that it can still pass through an ordinary rubber nipple.

If it comes down to it, rest assured that you’ll still be able to eat the baby food and gain some nutritional benefit long after the zombie apocalypse.

The Food Expiration Dates You Should Actually Follow

The first thing you should know? The dates, as we know them, have nothing to do with safety. J. Kenji López-Alt explains.

www.nytimes.com

 

[SunriseChampion]

I’m glad you’re still with us! You’re right about laughing. Do you like Bill Burr? I haven’t listened to his PAWDCAST in quite a while. I’m about to catch up on it. He cracks me up.

Fucking right! Where else would I be? I went from depressive suicidal to stubbornly alive til they drag me the hell out of here. It's a nice change.

Yeah, Bill Burr's alright, I don't listen to his podcast and have only seen him in little wee bits and pieces on other people's shows and maybe stand-up he's done that's on YT or something.

 

[JGrimez]

(CANADA) Coronavirus outbreak: Scheer says his party has ‘serious concerns’ about accuracy of WHO data on COVID-19

Now the expected analysis of the numbers is coming out

Finnish Institute for Health and Wellfare has researched the spread of coronavirus in population by using antibody testing. According to preliminary data based on 400 samples, the spread of coronavirus could be over 20-times higher than officially confirmed cases.

As we all know, the more people have been infected, the lower the mortality rate will be, and large majority are symptomless or mild cases. There's 3237 confirmed coronavirus infections and 64 deaths in Finland. So officially the death rate is 1.98%

Since in reality there's very likely 20-times more infected cases than recorded, it would lower coronavirus mortality to 0.1 percent. Which is same as with seasonal flu.

Worldwide 128 000 have died from/with coronavirus. So far 141 000 have died from/with seasonal flu.

And now look what we have here:
Coronavirus lockdown: German lawyer detained for opposition

A large number of well-established doctors and lawyers in the German-speaking countries have questioned the constitutionality of their governments' stringent confinement measures, which are commonly being referred to by the English loan-word der Shutdown (as there is no precedent for what to call the situation in German). These measures have begun to be challenged openly on the streets of Berlin. The medical and legal dissidents number in the dozens. None, however, has paid such a price for that freedom of speech as the German medical lawyer Beate Bahner, who has been committed to a psychiatric institution for publicly disagreeing with the measures and policies followed by the German government.

COMMENT

"The most recent update on the situation of the German medical lawyer Beate Bahner i can find is on the below sites and they state that she was released from the psych ward of the Heidelberg University Hospital yesterday evening, but they can't provide any information due to protection of privacy laws (LOL) and she was summoned for questioning today (April 15th) by the Heidelberg Police Department.

Beate Bahner considers the corona rules to be excessive and advocates for them to be abolished. In her opinion, these measures endanger "the preservation of the rule of law, the protection of fundamental and human rights and the preservation of the free and democratic basic order of the Federal Republic of Germany". She argues that the infection is harmless for 95 percent of the population. "I am really horrified and do not want to reproach myself for not acting as a lawyer and for not defending the rule of law with all the means at my disposal!", she wrote in a statement.

In her lawsuit she had asked that the resistance to corona protection no longer be observed as a resistance under Article 20 paragraph 4 of the Basic Law. In addition, she had called for a nationwide demonstration on Easter Saturday and the registration of her own demonstrations.

The State does not want any demonstrations and they do not want to give up their lock-up policy, so that is why they picked her up after chasing her in a car, getting her scared and confused, at least that is what i'm reading in the reports. She resisted arrest, kicking and screaming and put in the psych ward in Heidelberg. Because of her resisting arrest, she has also been under investigation on suspicion of assault and resistance to law enforcement officers. Apparently she was bruised.

Supporters of Beate Bahner got wind of the questioning of today and gathered in front of the building and chanted “We are the people”. The Heidelberg police warned the crowd several times over loudspeakers to clear the space in front of the police building, but refrained from dissolving and recording personal data. Then at 1 p.m. Beate Bahner appears and talks briefly to her supporters and then enters the police station. After her hearing, Beate Bahner brings a surprise: she steps in front of the crowd and explains that 'she apologized to the police. The head and knee injuries are from a bicycle fall that she had “drunk” and not from the police officers. But you have to go right now because you would still go to a café with friends.'"

 

[novaveritas]

lost cause here Grimez. Tactically retreat, regroup and look after the good people that matter to you. No quarter given, none expected.

for the current situation just substitute appropriate nouns:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[jboomer]

Yeah I don't believe you. You've talked a lot of shit in the past. I'd have to see some sort of evidence.

Because the video footage I've seen shows quiet hospitals. So there should be some footage of that on twitter at least.

Right??!! Using the busy hospitals as a back drop for news segments should have been easy sensationalization and abundant buuuuut. I've been so tempted to just go sit at one.

 

[JGrimez]

lost cause here Grimez. Tactically retreat, regroup and look after the good people that matter to you. No quarter given, none expected

You're right, I'm afraid.

...wondering if this incoming comet is the one that's finally gonna take out all the evil on this earth...

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[jboomer]

Curious if anyone here has seen this rebuttal. I actually came across this explanation somewhere in a scientific digest but I can't find it but this site has the same information.

I read fairly heavily into conspiracy theories and typically believe whichever side is "crazier" but my education was in microbiology and chemistry and the "proof" it was not created in a lab is pretty simple.

Basically viruses have a small genome that rapidly accumulate small mutations, so when you put examples of a virus genome over time together, you can see the slow shift from the oldest one to the youngest one. Since we are unable to fabricate genomic data letter by letter yet, a lab instructed virus would inevitably look Frankensteined. And I can't find support for this but I'm fairly certain the mutations that lead to jumping species are random, so we don't have the ability to turn one strain of coronavirus to another.

I was surprised this pretty basic explanation was in only one search result of three pages of a Google search

It was unsettling to see that the results of my Google search were all the major news outlets running their spin asserting the error of the lab created theory.

Theory that Coronavirus Escaped from a Lab Lacks Evidence

The pathogen appears to have come from wild animals, virologists say, and there are no signs of genetic manipulation in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.

www.the-scientist.com