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Nuke military cities and bases of china not their civilians plus what they have done to millions of Muslims in concentration camps and other minorities in china has prove the CCP need to be dealt with like the germans during WW2 china knew they could never win a physical war so once this virus was out their they sent their infected people all around the globe to fuck over the world economically. I didn't say it was a deliberate release but its was deliberate infection of other countries by sending their infected out like bombs to other countries to fuck the world. But researching these viruses in such poor security and methods is stupid aswell. And all the chinese whistle blowers have sacrificed their lives to tell the truth while the CCP has killed them off and trying to suppress these academic papers. Even interviews by independent media that had snuck into wuhan before the shutdown of Chinese truth journalists have also led to them been killed and executed somewhere or disappeared without a trace and the last pieces of information they had released in January was the same conclusion that patient Zero was a wuhan biolab employee
 
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Donald Trump and Jair Bolsonaro at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residency, Florida.


In this moment of crisis, macho leaders are a weakness, not a strength

by Robin Dembroff | The Guardian | 13 April 2020

Trump and Bolsonaro have been a liability in the face of coronavirus. We need leaders with a different emotional skillset.

For the entirety of Ronald Reagan’s first term, despite overwhelming evidence that Aids was a public health crisis, he brushed off the disease’s severity, saying it would "go away.” By 1987, Aids had killed more than 29,000 Americans. In that same year, Don Francis, an official at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, testified before Congress that Reagan’s administration caused untold hardship, misery and expense to the American public by obstructing, resisting and interfering with policies and programmes designed to prevent the Aids epidemic in the US.

Certain factors at play in the Aids epidemic are not at play in our current pandemic: most obviously, Covid-19 is not associated with the gay community. Nonetheless, there are echoes of Reagan’s response to the Aids epidemic. Last month, days after California had declared a state of emergency and Seattle schools had begun to close, Donald Trump asserted that Covid-19 would simply “go away.” Shortly before that, he said that it would “disappear … like a miracle.” Trump was joined in his parade of denial by other far-right populist leaders, especially Brazil’s president, Jair Bolsonaro. In March, he described Covid-19 as a “little flu” that does not warrant “hysteria,” and claimed that Brazil would be protected from the virus by its climate and youthful population.

What motivates men like Trump and Bolsonaro to deny, falsify and dismiss evidence about public health crises?

One salient feature stands out as common among these men: toxic masculinity. The concept has become popular, with Google searches for the term skyrocketing in January 2019 when the shaving company Gillette released a series of advertisements that challenged traditional expressions of masculinity, such as bullying, suppressing emotions and sexual harassment. Those advertisements set off a public debate about whether toxic masculinity is a helpful concept. Some took to Twitter and other media to complain that “masculinity isn’t a sickness,” while others, like the American Psychological Association, maintained that these traditional forms of masculinity harm not only men, but also those around them.

The current pandemic throws into stark relief how useful the concept of toxic masculinity can be. Dr Roger Kirby, a men’s health expert, observes that toxic forms of masculinity, which lead to “dominant, aggressive, and risk-taking” behaviour, cause men to see illness or other health problems as effeminate and weak, leading them to choose risk and discomfort over the “emasculation” of seeking medical treatment. As a result, men who pursue these forms of masculinity display the strongest predictors of individual risk behaviour over the life course.

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Trump and Bolsonaro are clear examples of men who cling to toxic forms of masculinity. They lash out at anything that threatens their dominance, and rely on misogyny and violence to bolster their egos. They denigrate women and femininity in order to reinforce their fragile sense of their manhood, referring to women as “sluts,” “dogs” and “pieces of ass.” Trump has boasted about his penis size and testosterone levels, and Bolsonaro said that he would rather have a dead son than a gay one. Both frequently encourage or excuse violence, and rage at those who disagree or make fun of them. They are two peas in a pod. And in our current crisis, their toxic masculinity is a deathly threat. It plays out in the most literal sense: it risks physical harm to others and themselves.

True to this prediction, Trump recently made headlines for initially refusing to take a test for Covid-19, obey physical distancing guidelines or wear a face mask, undermining his own health experts’ recommendations. Bolsonaro, following suit, declared that his manly history “as an athlete” would protect him from the virus. And while it is tempting to laugh at the absurdity of Bolsonaro’s claim, the sobering reality is that Trump and Bolsonaro’s behaviour has an ever-rising body count.

Now that this lie is no longer sustainable, Trump and Bolsonaro have pivoted. Both currently attempt to cast themselves as hyper-masculine “wartime” heroes, committed to protecting their countries from a “hidden enemy.” One form of muscular egoism replaces another. These militaristic self-portraits make clear that Trump and Bolsonaro are focused on stoking partisan divides and winning re-election, and not on doing what is needed to save lives.

We do not need patriotism and weapons; we need globally connected medical research, social safety nets and healthcare. We need leaders who allow public health experts, rather than their political self-interest, to guide policy. We find ourselves in a time that calls for traditionally “feminine” traits, such as empathy, solidarity and compassion. The men in charge have chosen to prioritise their precarious sense of manhood, rejecting scientific evidence, deploying rhetoric of violence, war and division, and placing us all in harm’s way.

• Robin Dembroff is assistant professor of philosophy at Yale University.

 


yeah, such as, for example, the limitations of the study that were described in the abstract. ooh wow you're so clever you found the same flaws in the authors' data that they mentioned themselves. nothing written about the study, in my posts or the NEJM, makes any attempt to hide the fact that it is nonconclusive and preliminary. i just happened to be like, happy for a second that i guessed right.

what i did earlier was to respond to your argument about patient selection, which in fairness, is in the blog post. that argument seems irrelevant to me whether it's made by you or Dr. Fawkes because you can't game a number you're not measuring in the first place.

look you're just not thinking about this. the point of the study isn't the data. the data is obviously meaningless. the point of the study is that in the opinion of the co-authors the results were impressive. that's why nobody cared who wrote the paper. clearly this is subject to all of the normal limitations associated with it being somebody's opinion.

btw it's not exactly impressive that i have to carefully explain what it means to "contribute" before you'll try to do it


fun fact: the phrase "your world" is an insult.

Never fail to disappoint.
 
Nuke military cities and bases of china not their civilians plus what they have done to millions of Muslims in concentration camps and other minorities in china has prove the CCP need to be dealt with like the germans during WW2 china knew they could never win a physical war so once this virus was out their they sent their infected people all around the globe to fuck over the world economically. I didn't say it was a deliberate release but its was deliberate infection of other countries by sending their infected out like bombs to other countries to fuck the world. But researching these viruses in such poor security and methods is stupid aswell. And all the chinese whistle blowers have sacrificed their lives to tell the truth while the CCP has killed them off and trying to suppress these academic papers. Even interviews by independent media that had snuck into wuhan before the shutdown of Chinese truth journalists have also led to them been killed and executed somewhere or disappeared without a trace and the last pieces of information they had released in January was the same conclusion that patient Zero was a wuhan biolab employee
That is crazy talk. As in seriously unhinged.
Maybe Nuke NZ, nothing would change but it would perhaps be cathartic, and everyone could marvel at how big swinging dick USA was?
 
You and I will agree we can't trust the MSM reporting. But how far can we trust voices on the internet?
Yeah I get that. That's why the #filmmyhospital has done so well on Twitter, it's literally people from around the world filming their hospitals, proving that the MSM are talking nonsense.
But even with video evidence from citizen investigators people will just say "doesn't matter if the emergency room is empty and the staff are quiet - all of those corona patients must be on another floor in isolation" etc

Also I find it crazy how much people are willing to automatically blame China for all of this and call for their destruction. Meanwhile articles of Chinese officials blaming the US military are blocked/censored. I think they should do some thorough investigations on the origins before calling for the destruction of China since so far the leads are pointing back to the US.

Deutsche Bank predicts 'immunity passports' for travel as future AI tools will predict COVID-19 case severity

BIG NEWS: New Study Finds 28 Million Americans Likely Infected by Coronavirus — Puts US Mortality Rate at 0.1% Just Like the Seasonal Flu


 
1.4 million over a year is about 120000 per month. COVID-19 has been killing people for at most two months. So there is less than one order of magnitude difference -- and that's ignoring the fact that COVID-19 still hasn't really spread to about 75% of the world.

You are assuming the rates of COVID-19 deaths will rise or remain constant throughout the entire year which is ridiculous isn't it? Spain and Italy, the worst hit countries, are already seeing sharp declines in new cases and deaths after a couple months.
 
Nuke military cities and bases of china not their civilians plus what they have done to millions of Muslims in concentration camps and other minorities in china has prove the CCP need to be dealt with like the germans during WW2 china knew they could never win a physical war so once this virus was out their they sent their infected people all around the globe to fuck over the world economically. I didn't say it was a deliberate release but its was deliberate infection of other countries by sending their infected out like bombs to other countries to fuck the world. But researching these viruses in such poor security and methods is stupid aswell. And all the chinese whistle blowers have sacrificed their lives to tell the truth while the CCP has killed them off and trying to suppress these academic papers. Even interviews by independent media that had snuck into wuhan before the shutdown of Chinese truth journalists have also led to them been killed and executed somewhere or disappeared without a trace and the last pieces of information they had released in January was the same conclusion that patient Zero was a wuhan biolab employee

I do agree with the sentiment of what you're saying, but I don't agree on the solution. The Chinese government is one of the most dictatorial and horrendous regimes on the planet, but nuclear war would not end well for any inhabitants of the Earth. And we'd all have much, much more terrifying problems than corona on our hands if there was a nuclear war. Honestly, there's no way to say that there'd even be anybody left aside from a few global elite shitbags in underground bunkers. Most of us, even most of the people who get this illness, will survive the corona pandemic. But there's a very good chance that literally no one would survive a global nuclear war like this would cause. Nuclear war is the one scenario where we are likely to be absolutely, permanently, and totally fucked.

However, the CCP does need to face the consequences of what they likely did. And the horrors that they have subjected their people to. Through a total and permanent boycott of all Chinese products. And a "quarantine" of the entire nation and any nation who still allows their citizens to travel there under any circumstances. China should become effectively a "no man's land" of sorts, and anyone who goes there should not be allowed to return while the quarantine is in effect. And any country who allows their citizens should go there should be included in the quarantine as well. Basically, they should permanently do what they did to contain the virus on that cruise ship to the whole country. Because it's only a matter of time before the Chinese government creates another disease to crash the economy of the civilized world for their own gain. Or someone's bat soup doesn't agree with them and ends up starting the next pandemic of God only knows what.

I agree that they wanted this virus to get out. They have benefited from this immensely. It has contributed to re-aligning the global economy in ways that benefit China. However, that wouldn't be the case if China is considered a "no man's land" of sorts. And the only way that they could be allowed back into the civilized world would be if the CCP stepped down from power and they stopped eating bats and other common disease vectors like live mice. If they don't, they shouldn't be nuked. And there shouldn't be a war, which would probably end up killing far more people than this. Especially given that China has nuclear weapons. The dictators would no longer be profiting with this collective action from the free world, and they may actually agree to this.

Because it'd open up the economy with them again, under the condition that their government treats citizens fairly and they stop ingesting disease vectors like bats and rodents. Yes, some would say that a complete and total boycott/quarantine of the entire nation would be impossible. The western world did just fine for thousands of years prior to having any contact with China. And China did just fine without any contact with the rest of the world as well. So, I think that this would not only be something that the world could accomplish, but I'd go as far as to say that it'd ultimately be a good outcome for everyone in the western world either way. And it wouldn't harm the Chinese people either, since both the west and China did just fine for thousands of years when there was no contact between them. And it could work just fine again, with some adjustments.
 
The Chinese government is indeed pretty awful, like many others, but what they have today is quite a bit nicer than others in their recent history, including the monstrosity of a regime that Mao and then the Gang of Four presided over.

I also don't buy the idea they would unleash the virus intentionally (and certainly not in their own country), given that they're the main manufacturing base for planet Earth and have lost a lot of potential $$ due to economic shutdown.
 
I also don't buy the idea they would unleash the virus intentionally (and certainly not in their own country), given that they're the main manufacturing base for planet Earth and have lost a lot of potential $$ due to economic shutdown.

Certainly very damaging, to their downstream supply lines and their reputation on the world stage. However, as a trial run for future fuck-the-world endeavors, this is working nicely. It is revealing how dependent upon China the rest of the world is for materials and products. It will make countries like the US try to insource more for self-sufficiency, but most of the world can't. And, should another pandemic occur, those countries must bow to China to get what they need to survive. US still does (and will, IMO), but it then may change international negotiations from dollars to bullets and bombs.

The US was content to play the benevolent bully for decades. Everyone do things our way, and the worst we will do is some CIA gov't shenanigans. Don't follow our lead, and we'll bully our friends in to a war (Middle East anyone?).

China is positioning themselves as the source of survival materials, with the military to not get bullied by anyone. I realize I sound like a China alarmist or conspiracy person, but I sincerely believe the world has underestimated their goals and determination to achieve for a long time. Whether the release of the virus was intentional or accidental, it is pressure check for all nations on how dependent they are on China for things going forward. But, I believe we already have a thread on China being a global threat, so I'll keep my thoughts over there.

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I also don't believe it was released intentionally. Mostly, based on our human nature to not think of others doing exercising ill will.

Likewise, I'm not naive enough to think China are the only ones doing lab experiments on viruses (yes, I'm looking at the US and elsewhere).

But there is a problem when one region consistently causes more virus outbreaks than anywhere else.
 
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But there is a problem when one region consistently causes more virus outbreaks than anywhere else.

I'm not entirely disagreeing with you, but I do think it has to be kept in mind that China has the largest population of any country on earth.

Just by sheer numbers it's more likely viruses would jump to humans there.

Of course it's also greatly influenced by how they live and interact with animals.
 
Coronavirus: The wildlife species enjoying lockdown

As the UK enters it fourth week of lockdown, conservationists say they have seen some hidden benefits of the restrictions in the natural world.

With fewer people in urban environments and much less traffic on the roads, scientists say there could be gains particularly for our native mammals.

The BBC's Victoria Gill explains.


 
You are assuming the rates of COVID-19 deaths will rise or remain constant throughout the entire year which is ridiculous isn't it?
No, I'm saying you can't jam a year's worth of deaths into a month wrt hospital capacity. Also counts wouldn't be dropping if not for the social distancing you hate so much.

@TheLoveBandit: Look I'm cool with containing China but that was what the TPP was meant to do and for some reason Trump and Sanders joined forces to kill it. Hillary lost the last shred of respect I had for her when she flipped on it.
 
that was what the TPP was meant to do

The TPP and TTIP were giant billionaire-corporate stitch ups. It's a miracle they were (temporarily) shelved (or that public pressure managed to stall them, in the case of TTIP), though they'll surely be back again in some other hideous form in the not too distant future.
 
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