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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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Actually, while I don't think there's much of a broader civil liberty danger speaking for the entire west. In the US specifically, so long as trump is in charge, there are risks.

I don't think trump specifically wants to get rid of civil liberties, but he also obviously doesn't give a shit about them in getting what he does want.

I should really brush up on what US federal law says on this. I still doubt there will be too much damage in the long term though.
 
Whoever comes up with a vaccine will be in an excellent position to make a lot of money. While I think nova's suggestions about social practices would result in hundreds of thousands dead, I tend to agree that there's an obvious capitalist motive to be the first with a working vaccine.

Jess when this is over I may reveal who I am, and what I am and who I work with and for.

until then do not make assumptions as to my motivations and quit with scoring points in order to fluff your own feathers. I am calling and have always been calling for measured response. Those that have been talking with the chinese directly know that it was not isolation of un-infected individuals that turned the tide there. It was testing and isolation of infected individuals. That is also why I call on everybody to share information.
I could make a cheap shot about exponential curves and so forth I am not going to. I am not debating with you Jess.

A message to any company that thinks they can profit wildly from a vaccine, you will not, plenty of people will ensure that you do not, and some of those people are inside your own organisation right now.

I am determined not to cut down the entire forest to put out the forest fire.


be safe all see you all on the other side.
EOM
 
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The University of Oxford has been compiling COVID-19 testing rates of various countries:

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What is Covid-19, and what is the mortality rate?

by Hannah Devlin and Sarah Boseley | The Guardian | 21 Mar 2020
Covid-19 essential guide: how is it different from the seasonal flu, can you pick it up from public transport, and how sick will I get?

What do we know about the virus now?

The Covid-19 virus is a member of the coronavirus family that made the jump from animals to humans late last year. Many of those initially infected either worked or frequently shopped in the Huanan seafood wholesale market in the centre of the Chinese city of Wuhan. Unusually for a virus that has made the jump from one species to another, it appears to transmit effectively in humans – current estimates show that without strong containment measures the average person who catches Covid-19 will pass it on to two others. The virus also appears to have a higher mortality rate than common illnesses such as seasonal flu. The combination of coronavirus’s ability to spread and cause serious illness has prompted many countries, including the UK, to introduce or plan extensive public health measures aimed at containing and limiting the impact of the epidemic.

How can I stop myself and others from getting infected?

Wash your hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds and do this often, including when you get home or into work. Use hand sanitiser gel if soap and water are not available. Avoid touching your face. Cough or sneeze into a tissue or the crook of your elbow (not your hand) and put used tissues straight in the bin. Avoid close contact with people who are showing possible symptoms. Follow NHS guidance on self-isolation and travel.

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How can you tell the difference between flu and Covid-19?

The coronavirus outbreak hit amid flu season in the northern hemisphere and even doctors can struggle to distinguish between the two – the overlap in symptoms probably contributed to slow detection of community infections in some countries, including Italy.

Typical flu symptoms, which normally come on quickly, include a high fever, sore throat, muscle aches, headaches, shivers, runny or stuffy nose, fatigue and, more occasionally, vomiting and diarrhoea. Doctors are still working to understand the full scope of symptoms and severity for Covid-19, but early studies of patients taken to hospital found nearly all of them developed a fever and dry cough, and many had fatigue and muscle aches. Pneumonia is common in coronavirus patients, even outside the most severe cases, and this can lead to breathing difficulties. A runny nose and sore throat are far less common, reported by just 5 percent of patients. The only real confirmation of having Covid-19 is taking a test though.

What should I do if I have symptoms?

In the UK, the medical advice is now that the household of anyone who develops a new persistent cough or high temperature should all stay at home for 14 days, keeping away from other people. This applies to everyone, regardless of whether they have traveled abroad.

You should look on the dedicated coronavirus NHS 111 website for information. If you get worse or your symptoms last longer than seven days, you should call NHS 111. People will no longer be tested for the virus unless they are in hospital.

If I get coronavirus, how sick will I get?

A large study in China found that about 80 percent of confirmed cases had fairly mild symptoms (defined as no significant infection in the lungs). About 15% had severe symptoms that caused significant shortness of breath, low blood oxygen or other lung problems, and fewer than 5 percent of cases were critical, featuring respiratory failure, septic shock or multiple organ problems. However, it is possible that a larger number of very mild cases are going under the radar, and so this breakdown in severity could change over time as wider screening takes place. Older people and those with respiratory problems, heart disease or diabetes are at greater risk.

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What is the mortality rate of the coronavirus?

It is probably about or a bit less than 1 percent. Much higher figures have been flying about, but the chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, is one of those who believes it will prove to be 1 percent or lower. The World Health Organization’s director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, talked of 3.4 percent, but his figure was calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the number of officially confirmed cases. We know there are many more mild cases that do not get to hospital and are not being counted, which would bring the mortality rate significantly down.

Deaths are highest in the elderly, with very low rates among younger people, although medical staff who treat patients and get exposed to a lot of virus are thought to be more at risk. But even among the over-80s, 90 percent will recover.

Can you get infected on public transport?

Most infections happen in families, where people live at close quarters. You need to be within one to two metres of somebody to be infected by viral-loaded water droplets from their coughs or when they are speaking. That is less likely on public transport. However, it would be possible to pick up the virus on your hands from a surface that somebody with the infection had touched. The virus can linger for 48 hours or even possibly 72 hours on a hard surface, such as the hand rail in the tube – though less time on a soft surface. That is why the advice is to wash your hands regularly and avoid touching your face, to prevent the virus getting into your nose, mouth or eyes.

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Is there a cure for Covid-19?

Not at the moment, but drugs that are known to work against some viruses are being trialed in China, where there are thousands of patients, and new trials are starting in the US and other countries. Large numbers are needed to find out whether they work in a few people or a lot of people or nobody at all. The most hopeful are Kaletra, which is a combination of two anti-HIV drugs, and remdesivir, which was tried but failed in Ebola patients in west Africa in 2013 and 2016. Some Chinese doctors are also trying chloroquine, an antimalarial drug, which is off-patent, therefore cheap and highly available, and would be very useful in low-income countries. The first results are expected in mid-March and should indicate if the drugs will at least help those who are most severely ill. A miracle cure is not expected.

When will we get a vaccine?

Efforts to develop an effective vaccine for Covid-19 have been quick compared with historical epidemics, such as Ebola. A number of teams are already testing vaccine candidates in animals and preparing to carry out small trials in people. The US company, Moderna Therapeutics, is already recruiting and hopes to enroll 45 volunteers between 18 and 55 and will launch their trial imminently. Phase one trials like this look at whether the vaccine triggers an immune response and whether the given dose causes adverse effects and could be completed quite quickly. However, the subsequent phases, which will involve thousands of volunteers and will look more closely at efficacy, will take longer and obtaining a commercially available vaccine within a year would be extremely quick. The government’s chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, said he did not think a working vaccine to protect people from the coronavirus would be produced in time for the current outbreak, but that a time frame of a year or 18 months “was not unreasonable to assume.”

 
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Anyone worried about civil liberties should care about this, also, it looks like it’s about to hit the proverbial fan. It bodes ill.


DOJ should realize its not going to be business as usual and that does not mean we need to change or suspend some of our strongest laws designed for our protection. Id rather have a few real bad guys walk and keep the laws for my protection in place.

I don't know if ill make it through this one as I have so many red check marks with this virus.. almost all of them. There is a real possibility that I may check out with this one. I'm a total optimist and I may be fucked.
 
On the plus side of the pandemic I think law enforcement is going to tasked with so many other pressing matters that the last thing they’ll be doing is worrying about illicit drugs for a while. Drug cops will get retasked to really urgent stuff (like slowing down the looting and pillaging as our cities collapse)
They already kind of have in Philadelphia, the following crimes will now no longer result in an arrest but a warrant for future arrest.
  • All narcotics offenses
  • Theft from persons
  • Retail theft
  • Theft from auto
  • Burglary
  • Vandalism
  • Stolen auto
  • Economic crimes (bad checks, fraud)
  • Prostitution
A little scary I think.
I've seen no evidence of the crisis being used in the west to justify the outright suppression of free speech. Free protest in public yes, but not internet speech.

In short. Nothing I've seen in the west suggests to me that this is going anywhere beyond what's legitimately justified for health reasons. If it looks like it's becoming political suppression, that's when I'll worry.
"YouTube said it may remove more videos than usual — including those that don’t actually violate any policies — because of lower staffing levels during the coronavirus epidemic."

Not proof but also kinda scary. I would think they could just set any videos that a bot is unsure about to 18+ instead of just removing them outright with no recourse.
 
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Italy's daily virus deaths climb to nearly 800

Italy on Saturday reported 793 new coronavirus deaths, a one-day record that saw its toll shoot up to 4,825—38.3 percent of the world's total.

Virus deaths surge past 13,000 as one billion confined to homes

Nearly one billion people around the world were confined to their homes on Sunday, as the coronavirus death toll crossed 13,000 and factories were shut in worst-hit Italy after another single-day fatalities record.

Thailand virus cases rocket to 600 as crisis fears grow

Thailand's confirmed coronavirus cases rose by a third to nearly 600, the kingdom announced Sunday, as fears of a full-blown crisis take hold in a country largely spared until now.

Virus rebels from France to Florida flout lockdown practices

Young German adults hold "corona parties" and cough toward older people. A Spanish man leashes a goat to go for a walk to skirt confinement orders. From France to Florida to Australia, kitesurfers, college students and others crowd the beaches.

Australian beaches locked down as virus cases pass 1,000

Sunbathers, surfers and tourists were banned from Bondi Beach on Saturday in efforts to contain the coronavirus, which has now infected more than 1,000 people in Australia.

World ramps up restrictions as virus cases top 300,000

From Italy to India to the United States, governments rolled out tougher measures to halt the rapid spread of the coronavirus pandemic as global cases surged past 300,000 on Sunday and Asia braced for a possible second wave of infections.

France coronavirus death toll jumps 112 to 674: official

The number of people killed in France by the coronavirus outbreak has increased by another 112 to a total of 674, the top French health official said on Sunday.

Africa lockdowns begin as coronavirus cases rise above 1,000

Lockdowns have begun in Africa as coronavirus cases rise above 1,000, while Nigeria on Saturday announced it is closing airports to all incoming international flights for one month in the continent's most populous country.

New vaccine candidate for COVID-19 identified

Researchers report they have identified a vaccine candidate for COVID-19 and are working towards phase one clinical testing. A chimpanzee adenovirus vaccine vector was chosen as the most suitable vaccine technology for SARS-CoV-2 as it can generate a stronger immune response in one dose and is not a replicating virus.

38 positive for coronavirus at Rikers, NYC jails

The board overseeing New York City's jails urged officials to start releasing vulnerable populations and those being held on low-level offenses as the coronavirus outbreak hit the notorious Rikers Island complex and nearby jails—infecting at least 38 people.
 
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only severe ill patients are being tested in Brazil, we have seen corona infections in rich countries so far, when it gets to the poor, it will be catastrophic.

It's the same in the UK - only patients suspected of having the virus and currently in an intensive care unit have been tested since 13th March. Actual numbers of infected are assumed (by the government) to be in the tens of thousands by now.
 
I am sorry if any of my crackpot theories upset anyone. IIRC if it's zoonotic it certainly makes Trump and friends look to be a team of idiots.

The good news is only 10% of US cases are coming back positive allegedly, so a lot of people have symptoms of this but likely do not have it.

Tathra saying it is more likely more of us have the regular flu = totally plausible and most likely a reality.

Have had symptoms for 3 weeks, 1 day and it's not going away.
 
I am sorry if any of my crackpot theories upset anyone. IIRC if it's zoonotic it certainly makes Trump and friends look to be a team of idiots.

The good news is only 10% of US cases are coming back positive allegedly, so a lot of people have symptoms of this but likely do not have it.

Tathra saying it is more likely more of us have the regular flu = totally plausible and most likely a reality.

Have had symptoms for 3 weeks, 1 day and it's not going away.

Certainly more people sick have something other than Coronavirus right now. That's most certainly true.

However, I figure the number of infected with coronavirus in the US must be many times higher than the official number.

Here in Australia, the significant majority of Coronavirus cases now are getting tracked back to someone either returning form or coming from the US.

Now its worth noting that the US also has one of the highest rates of people coming to and from Australia generally. But even so I figure the number of infected in the US must be substantially higher than the pathetic testing indicates.
 
After Trump, Pence & Pals suffer corona deaths on the tv can we just let AOC become president?

I would never find myself saying this... but she at least sounds competent and logical and I'll take that over rampant lying and abuse of power... :|

Never thought I'd be cheering on the far-left so heavily so early into this year.
 
Protest it online.

I mean what do you expect will come of protesting it on the streets? There won't be any people for you to annoy and get in the way of anyway :p

OK the plus side, you wouldn't have to worry about counter protesters. Anyone who disagrees is smart enough not to join a large group in the middle of a pandemic.
 
Coronavirus mixing up everything here in germany. One positive thing although is, that nature can breath finally through. I live in an area with big industrial infrastructure and I cant remember seeing the sky this clear and breathing such fresh air like it is right now
 
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