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One of those few things I read and think "wow, maybe there is a god after all".

Kinda not nice. I mean I hate North Korea too. But there's a big difference between the Kim family, directly responsible for just about everything bad about North Korea. And the general public.

And unlike most countries, the distinction between the general public and the military is pretty low because they have universal conscription for males.

So.. Keep in mind that there's really no difference between being happy North Korean soldiers are dying, and being happy North Korean civilians are dying.

These aren't people living in luxury while others starve. These are just more victims of the Kim regime.
 
Italy has more cases and more deaths now than China, per capita. Older population? Less-severe containment measures? Racial differences in the severity of the disease?
 
The U.S. is way behind Korea as far as Coronavirus Testing Kits. Korea has drive-thru tests. I heard a doctor yesterday saying we don’t have any tests!

Sign this petition to get tests immediately in every state!

 
On a lighter note, I was listening to Howard Stern this morning and heard some Coronavirus porn. Mom was jerking her son off because he was worried he’d always be a virgin while they were quarantined. Maybe we’re better off.
 
Kinda not nice. I mean I hate North Korea too. But there's a big difference between the Kim family, directly responsible for just about everything bad about North Korea. And the general public.
I disagree. That's like saying "Oh but Hitler told me to do it, so I'm innocent: I was just following orders." not a valid excuse for participating in an illegitimate government's army. Not in my book at least.
 
I disagree. That's like saying "Oh but Hitler told me to do it, so I'm innocent: I was just following orders." not a valid excuse for participating in an illegitimate government's army. Not in my book at least.

What exactly are they supposed to do?

Say you were born in North Korea. What do you think you'd do?

Keep in mind that these soldiers specifically haven't actually done anything other than be soldiers. And if you refuse to be conscripted, you risk death. Or a fate worse than.

Same thing if you try to escape.

Are you just supposed to commit suicide in protest? Cause I don't think that's a reasonable expectation at all.

You can't blame people for wanting to live. And you can't blame people for doing what they feel they have to do to live, because that's what nearly all humans will do.

Once you get down to a certain level, under certain circumstances. I think following orders is an entirely justified defense. The people giving the orders are guilty. The ones going above and beyond their orders are guilty.

But people will do what they have to do to survive. To expect anything else is completely unreasonable.
 
Are you just supposed to commit suicide in protest?
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Wouldn't you?

I don't believe in free will so I try not to judge people for their actions. But assuming we do have free will then I totally can and am justified by doing this.

There's other parts of DPRK society you can contribute to without being in the armed forces. You can also run for the mountains, hope that you don't get discovered and deported in China, and try for a marginally better life.

There's also people who defect. They normally get shot at, though, by their own people. Which is against the terms of cease-fire they agreed to...

The war is still going on. We're not fighting DPRK. DPRK is fighting its own people to the bloody end.

The ultra-nationalist "self reliance" philosophy of the party is QUITE LITERALLY falling apart. They are infected with the corona virus. Their "self reliance" is a lie. Otherwise they wouldn't rely on China and Chinese goods/interactions to get by (evidenced by the people contracting SARS-CoV-2).

The philosophy is literally so full of holes that they are dying from a virus and are still going to "fight" to believe in the lie (which is self-evident), "fight" in quotations because I don't think a parasite, worm, and hepatitis infected individual who is starving to death has a chance in hell of putting up much of an actual fight.

You join the war of self-destruction or you start your own. Then again they PROBABLY DON'T MIND DYING FOR THEIR FALSE GOD. Have you ever considered that? How are my comments "not nice"? They're dying for their holy god leader, Kim Jong Un. So that he can have their face masks, their food rations, and control over the army they could never hope to be anything but a small part of.

If I was so out of it that I thought someone like Un was a god I'd be ecstatic to be dying of the corona virus as I'd trust Un, my personal fatty and savior, created it JUST FOR ME! Because he's ALL POWERFUL AND ALL KNOWING, right? Yes, yes I think my comments are totally defensible. They're probably totally happy dying for their "god".
 
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Wouldn't you?

I don't believe in free will so I try not to judge people for their actions. But assuming we do have free will then I totally can and am justified by doing this.

There's other parts of DPRK society you can contribute to without being in the armed forces. You can also run for the mountains, hope that you don't get discovered and deported in China, and try for a marginally better life.

There's also people who defect. They normally get shot at, though, by their own people. Which is against the terms of cease-fire they agreed to...

The war is still going on. We're not fighting DPRK. DPRK is fighting its own people to the bloody end.

If you're a man there's universal military conscription. So no I don't think you can choose to just not be a soldier. You can try and escape, but remember that by doing that it's not just your life you're endangering. It's your whole family too. Your children. Your families children.

No I probably wouldn't do that. And if I were a North korean man, then for some portion of my life I'd probably be a North Korean soldier too.

You can't expect people to risk their lives, to risk their children winding up in a labor camp for the rest of their lives. Rather than just serving in the military like a quarter of the country does. It's completely unreasonable.

If you believe that doing that makes you deserving of your fate. Why care what North Korea does? The only people they're harming are people you believe deserve it. Not just their people, the entire population of people on earth. Probably more than 99.9% of all humans are guilty by that kind of standard.
 
Youre endangering their lives by being in DPRK! They have reprisals for the smallest of things. Un has public executions at the drop of the hat.

You risk life by creating it.

Your family born you into this world. Who risked your life? The distinction becomes meaningless if you ascribe to morals and ethics.

Would you kill your whole family FOR your family? Of course not. Morality isn't "I am scared so I do what bad people tell me to", rather, it is "I do the right thing and I do it because I am not afraid if the end result of a moral action isn't what I imagined it would be".

Why do I care what Un does?


Why do you care that Hitler snuffed 6 million Jews?

Why do you care about the immigrant children in cages at the border wall?

That isn't you, stop caring. = terrible argument.

Most people not willing to abscond from crony capitalism and slave their lives away from ultimately a subconscious fear of death and suffering. You are right. They're the kind of people who need to stop being afraid.
 
Youre endangering their lives by being in DPRK! They have reprisals for the smallest of things. Un has public executions at the drop of the hat.

You risk life by creating it.

Your family born you into this world. Who risked your life? The distinction becomes meaningless if you ascribe to morals and ethics.

Would you kill your whole family FOR your family? Of course not. Morality isn't "I am scared so I do what bad people tell me to", rather, it is "I do the right thing and I do it because I am not afraid if the end result of a moral action isn't what I imagined it would be".

Why do I care what Un does?


Why do you care that Hitler snuffed 6 million Jews?

Why do you care about the immigrant children in cages at the border wall?

That isn't you, stop caring. = terrible argument.

Most people not willing to abscond from crony capitalism and slave their lives away from ultimately a subconscious fear of death and suffering. You are right. They're the kind of people who need to stop being afraid.

I've read this post 3 times now and I'm still not at all convinced I comprehend the point you're trying to make.

It sounds like you're saying that people should stop being afraid and just do what's morally right.

To which I don't really agree. I've always felt that morality was a luxury. That while there are things you should do morally, put enough pressure on a person, almost any person and they're almost certain to break that moral code.

Hence why I call it a luxury. Moralizing and saying what one believes they would do in a situation they haven't experienced is ultimately something one can only afford precisely because they're not in that situation. And probably don't know what they'd really do.

I believe almost anyone will throw their morals away once enough pressure is applied. Especially if the pressure is towards their children.

So I save my moral outrage for those who did the wrong thing in spite of little to no pressure at all. And the ones who created that pressure.
 
White Asians.

Beware of you are white you are 100% likely to die from fatality
 
always easy talking tough from sunny california, isn't it?
Youre endangering their lives by being in DPRK! They have reprisals for the smallest of things. Un has public executions at the drop of the hat.

You risk life by creating it.

Your family born you into this world. Who risked your life? The distinction becomes meaningless if you ascribe to morals and ethics.

Would you kill your whole family FOR your family? Of course not. Morality isn't "I am scared so I do what bad people tell me to", rather, it is "I do the right thing and I do it because I am not afraid if the end result of a moral action isn't what I imagined it would be".

Why do I care what Un does?


Why do you care that Hitler snuffed 6 million Jews?

Why do you care about the immigrant children in cages at the border wall?

That isn't you, stop caring. = terrible argument.

Most people not willing to abscond from crony capitalism and slave their lives away from ultimately a subconscious fear of death and suffering. You are right. They're the kind of people who need to stop being afraid.
 
I think Bagseeds probably talking about your attitude towards the soldiers of the dprk rather than the Coronavirus. But at this point we should either get back on topic or split it off into a new thread.

I for one am ready to drop it, but if anyone brings it up again I'm happy to split it off so the discussion can continue.
 
from trump's comments on the virus yesterday:

president trump said:
I've been briefed on every contingency you could possibly imagine. Many contingencies. A lot of positive. Different numbers, all different numbers, very large numbers, and some small numbers too.

what a fucking moron.

alasdair
 
Why is Captain Heroin allowed to post racist hatred? Even I find his comments disgusting and reprehensible.
 
This is gonna make Jess mad coz she tries to debunk natural therapies and thinks that Big Pharma/government are the answers to our problems (even though we're experiencing epidemics of virtually every disease).

From vaccinations to viruses: Vitamin C is a potent antidote

The ability of properly-dosed vitamin C before and after a vaccination to block any potential short- and long-term toxic side effects while enhancing the antibody-forming aim of the injection was covered in an earlier OMNS article. [1] The points made in that article, along with their validation in the scientific literature, remain pertinent 8 years later. As emphasized in that article, the purpose of this article is not to praise or condemn the administration of vaccinations. Most who know me know my stance on this issue, coming from what I consider to be a purely scientific perspective. But that is not the purpose of this article.

Even the most ardent of vaccine supporters should be able to admit that vaccinations, however infrequently, sometimes result in an undesired outcome on the health status of the recipient. The "argument" then shifts as to whether the chance of such an outcome is so rare as to be reasonably and permissibly ignored. The pro-vaccine community maintains that population-wide vaccinations confer a high degree of protection against even more morbidity and mortality that would otherwise be inflicted by the diseases or conditions for which the vaccines are being given. However, here I emphasize the need for mitigation of the side effects of vaccination.

To fully appreciate the toxic origins of all disease, it is very important to understand the critical roles played by vitamin C and other major antioxidants in counteracting and minimizing the impact of new toxin exposures and old toxin damage. All toxins, whether originating from an infection, food or water intake, or environmental source, or even as an unintended consequence of a vaccination, inflict their damage on the body by directly or indirectly causing the oxidation of critical biomolecules in the body. When biomolecules are oxidized (depleted of electrons), they lose some or all of their natural chemical roles throughout the body and inside the cells. Essentially, oxidation inactivates the natural physiological role of a biomolecule.

Biomolecules include proteins, sugars, fats, enzymes, nucleic acid, or structural molecules. Depending on the chemical nature of a given toxin, it will oxidize a unique array of biomolecules, varying in location, concentration, and degree. These are the primary factors that determine the resulting clinical medical condition. And the presence of sufficient antioxidants can either prevent this oxidation from taking place by directly donating electrons to the electron-seeking toxins, or it can repair the toxin-oxidized biomolecules by contributing electrons back to them (reduction). However, it essential to realize that the oxidized state of the biomolecules is the disease, or toxicity. There is no additional ill-defined "disease" that is impacting the cells and tissues with the increased numbers of oxidized biomolecules. Once enough biomolecules are restored to the reduced state, "disease" no longer exists. [2]

With this concept of the etiology of all diseases in mind, it can then be appreciated that any potential toxic side effect of a vaccination (or any other toxin exposure) can literally always be blocked or rapidly repaired by counterbalancing it with sufficient levels of antioxidants (primarily vitamin C). When this is combined with the established concept that vitamin C is essential for a fully competent immune system capable of producing an optimal antibody response to an antigen presented by a vaccination, it is only logical that optimizing the vitamin C status of a baby, child, or adult (as with influenza vaccinations) should always be an essential clinical goal.

Numerous articles in the mainstream medical literature clearly indicate that the infectious diseases for which vaccinations are given are effectively prevented by vitamin C. [1-3] Furthermore, when vitamin C levels are low in the body, infectious diseases are effectively eradicated by vitamin C-centered protocols (that can include other anti-pathogen interventions). [1-5]

The pharmaceutical industry makes billions of dollars on selling vaccinations and continuing to develop new vaccines for different conditions in an ongoing basis. However, in the current environment of politics, big business, and the law, such billion-dollar businesses will arguably never lose. They also will never be minimized and their profits will never be substantially decreased. Such businesses have many congressmen and senators owing them for campaign contributions, along with many judges as well. Furthermore, most of those politicians and members of the judicial system actually believe that opposing vaccinations is tantamount to opposing the most significant intervention available supporting optimal public health. Many of us understand how much this enrages those who are convinced that vaccinations are doing a great deal of harm.

With all of these issues in mind, the overriding concern is how to protect as many babies, children, and adults from any possibility of a negative vaccine side effect. Even if, say, 10 years from now the scientific community finds that some vaccines are doing more harm than good and largely eliminates them, how many more lives (and families) will have been devastated in the meantime? Whether autism ever results from vaccination is actually not the primary issue. The issue is how to protect the infants that will be vaccinated today. All old and new evidence of any vaccination-induced toxicity should continue to be revisited and given its due publicity. But protection needs to take place now.

Also, while it will likely displease most of the anti-vaccination community, a successful vitamin C-centered vaccine-protection protocol will make the vaccine manufacturers look like the good guys. Very few individuals will sustain side effects, and the vaccine companies will ultimately be given credit for making "better and safer" vaccines, and they will ultimately make more money rather than less. However, and this cannot be overemphasized, the vaccine damage will drop, and even largely disappear. The immediate protection of everyone's health has to be the top priority.

My personal recommendations for an effective program of toxin protection with optimization of a vaccine antibody response are as follows:

Start the supplementation at least 7 days before a planned vaccination (the longer, the better since everyone at any age should regularly supplement vitamin C). This regimen should be followed as well on the day of vaccination and continued for at least one week following the vaccination. However, it will be best to continue the recommended vitamin C dosing for life. [1-5]

For infants and very young children, 1,000 mg of liposome-encapsulated vitamin C. This can readily be mixed in a flavored yogurt or other favorite baby food. This higher dose is possible relative to the sodium ascorbate powder below since liposomes only rarely cause the loose bowel effect seen with higher doses of vitamin C. Liposomes also allow a much better intracellular uptake of vitamin C to occur.

When liposome-encapsulated vitamin C is not available, proceed with sodium ascorbate powder (this can also be done in addition to the liposome form for even better protection). Infants under 10 pounds can be given 500 mg daily in a favorite juice (just a salty taste). For infants between 10 and 20 pounds, this can be increased to as much as 1,000 mg daily, in divided doses. Very roughly, the daily amount of non-liposome-encapsulated vitamin C can be increased by 1,000 mg per year of life.

Magnesium chloride can significantly augment the anti-toxin and pro-immune effect of vitamin C. [6,7] Mix 25 grams in a quart of water. Depending on body size, give 1 TBSP to 1/2 cup (15 to 125 ml) of this solution at least once and preferably twice daily in the days leading up to vaccination. As with vitamin C, the solution is salty (and a little bitter) and to be palatable is best diluted further in juice.

Vitamin D3 and zinc supplementation can also afford additional benefits. Again, depending on body size, 1,000 to 25,000 units of D3 can be given daily. These doses should not be continued in small children beyond a week after the vaccination. However, D3 is a valuable supplement, and it is of value for everyone. Long-term dosing requires validation that the regularly administered dose is raising the blood level to the range of 50 to 100 ng/ml. 10 to 50 mg of zinc (as zinc gluconate or other well-absorbed form) daily can be given by pill or drops for the week before and the week after vaccination. Long-term supplementation with zinc (and D3) should be done in concert with the advice of your integrative physician.

Finally, if a vaccination simply can't wait, taking the recommended doses of vitamin C, magnesium chloride, vitamin D3, and zinc the same day or just following the vaccination, and continuing for several weeks can also offer enormous protection. The above regimen simply aims to help optimize the protection being provided.

An addendum regarding a practical treatment approach to coronavirus, currently at epidemic levels in China:
  1. If the virus is actually as contagious as is being currently asserted, modern air travel and the purported time of incubation and asymptomatic status (about 2 weeks) means it can spread anywhere on the planet. As with nearly all other contagious viruses, spread is most commonly due to airborne virus in microdroplets from sneezing, coughing, and the exhalation of infected individuals. Similarly, when the virus gets on the hands in a sufficient amount, touching the nose, eyes, and mouth can initiate the process of transmission as well.
  2. The measures that most readily inhibit transmission include regular hand washing or sanitizing, containment of the microdroplets with high virus concentration (protective masks), and avoidance of areas with multiple infected individuals. And even when these measures do not completely block the transmission of virus, they massively decrease the amount of viral exposure, and a strong immune system will often do the rest.
  3. A strong immune system is really the only significant protection an individual has, unless, of course, an individual can completely eliminate the possibility of virus exposure, which is virtually impossible.
  4. A great deal of immune system strength, possibly most of it, comes from the vitamin C content in the immune cells. When the levels of vitamin C in the body are low, the immune system can never function at full capacity. There are many measures that can strengthen and support the immune system, but regular supplementation of vitamin C with multi-gram doses (2,000 mg daily or more) is probably the single most important preventive measure. Much larger doses can be given if it is determined that the virus has already been contracted. If IV vitamin C is available, this is optimal. But always take as much as can be afforded and tolerated, in both liposome-encapsulated form and sodium ascorbate powder and by intravenous administration.
  5. Follow the magnesium chloride regimen discussed above, but take the recommended doses four times daily during a time of active infection.
  6. The virus grows rapidly in the mucosa of the naso- and oropharynx. It is this quickly-growing "reservoir" of virus that continues to feed the viral presence throughout the body and sustain the infected state. Nebulization with 3% hydrogen peroxide quickly destroys all or most of this source of virus, and the body, with the help of vitamin C and magnesium, can then "mop up" the rest of the virus and rapidly accelerate clinical resolution. This is arguably the MOST IMPORTANT intervention to rapidly eradicate any systemic viral infection. Also, if available, ozone treatments of the blood can further accelerate the clinical resolution of infections such as the coronavirus.
 
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