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So let me get this straight:

A single study out of Israel, states that the mRNA immunity is waning with time, and Pfizer jumps all over that single study and applies for EUA for a booster shot, and the CDC and FDA both say "nobody needs boosters at this time, just shut up for now."

how does that sound to you?
 
More than 7,500 COVID breakthrough cases reported in California


According to the San Francisco Examiner, more than 7,550 breakthrough cases have been reported through June 23 among fully vaccinated Californians.


Most cases were minor, but 62 people died from COVID, according to the California Department of Public Health. California’s public health agency reported 584 fully vaccinated people had been hospitalized with COVID infection, but hospitalization status wasn’t available for 46% of post-vaccination cases.


On July 7, state health officials reported 2,013 new infections among all Californians, including 24 deaths.


Dr. Eugene Choi, a Los Angeles radiologist, contracted COVID in June, nearly six months after his first dose of the Pfizer vaccine.


At first, “I did not think of COVID,” said Choi. “I thought … OK, it must be that other flus and colds are coming out of the woodwork.”


As Choi’s fever progressed, he decided to get a COVID test and it was positive. His wife, also vaccinated, and their 2-year-old son also contracted COVID.
 
^ that's a LOT of breakthrough cases, don't you think?

we're never gonna know, but how many cases would it be if nobody had the shots? of course, the pros will tell you "millions more!" but im not so sure about that
 
So let me get this straight:

A single study out of Israel, states that the mRNA immunity is waning with time, and Pfizer jumps all over that single study and applies for EUA for a booster shot, and the CDC and FDA both say "nobody needs boosters at this time, just shut up for now."

how does that sound to you?
It sounds to me like possibly in the long run vaccines may not be the answer, perhaps even a losing battle.

With a lot of collateral. Voices not currently being heard.
The virus could forever be a step ahead. Talk of surging cases I’m seeing in the news lines currently, drama around it.

What happened since 5 weeks ago, the vaccine rollout was such a success, Champagne was popped, nearly “normal”, all hail the miracle of the vaccine programme.

That was minutes ago. Not quite such the celebration lately it seems to me.
 
Study shows half of adults in Israel and UK infected with Delta variant were fully vaccinated


As The Defender reported June 29, a new study in the UK showed 12 (or 29%) of 42 fully vaccinated people died after catching the Delta variant. In Public Health England’s technical briefing on June 25, that figure had risen to 43% (50 of 117), with the majority (60%) having received at least one dose.


According to The Wall Street Journal, almost half of adults in Israel infected in an outbreak of the Delta variant were fully vaccinated with Pfizer’s vaccine.
 
i love how the study is still being conducted in live play by play action, but they're really safe and effective and i should run and get some shots today
 
i love how the study is still being conducted in live play by play action, but they're really safe and effective and i should run and get some shots today
Well, it’s almost collectively for many seen as not actually safe, because there is a genuine risk, it is happening.

It’s just accepted as like I repeat, collateral.

And the mindset is the risk outweighs the danger to others at least if not yourself, to not be….

The increasing number of people being injured without a voice, MSM is not mentioning or taking phone calls, debating vaccine injuries one bit.

It deserves more attention and consideration I feel, not censorship.
 
i love how the study is still being conducted in live play by play action, but they're really safe and effective and i should run and get some shots today
What we are currently experiencing ARE the trials. Those trials dont end until 2022-23, if I am not mistaken. Whether it is being let on or not exactly what trials are going on and where, it is safe to say the biggest portion of data they will obtain from these vaccines will be from the worldwide population who have taken it while it was still under emergency legislation and therefore not approved (only authorized through said emergency legislation). So, it is a huge experiment, which is pretty conveninent how they managed to pull it all off while a global medical emergency was under way.

You would NEVER be able to experiment on the sheer millions who have been tested under normal circumstances. And the reason is because people die and they get injured and our medical system primarily is based on doing no harm and vigorously testing drugs before they end up among the mass population.

There is no evidence to suggest they are safe. That is because there hasnt been enough time between vaccination and after vaccination to ascertain a prolonged assesment of the effects. Newspaper articles saying they are safe at this point is like saying I can read the future and tell you what 2050 will look like without a shade of error. We can look at data but the data is applicable to NOW and not LONG TERM and that is how we determine how safe drugs are. People miscontrue what safe means and this has been amplified by propaganda campaigns to mould peoples perceptions of what safety actually means. They consider safe still being alive, which is very naive and dangerous. You can have undiagnosed cancer and still be alive, at least for now. You can have underlying health conditions that affect your day-to-day life but so long as death is ruled out those health conditions are not significant. Try saying that to the hundreds of millions of patients on long term medication for illnesses that have changed their lives. When you take medication long term in any scenario, that itself is life changing and not indicative of recovery and good health. It is to be truthful, the opposite. Only we gloss this over and choose to deny and repress the reality of illness and focus on the meds because meds "fix" things. Obviously not otherwise most of our ailments would be curable but many are only treated and not cured. They never go away, they just get hidden under our medication regimen.

With these vaccines, the same realities have to be acknowledged. These are not wonder drugs. We have never been able to beat the flu and never likely will. We have never been able to beat many illnesses, diseases, ailments etc and this is likely to be the case for a very long time. Nothing is being cured here. And that was never the plan. So what about the rational and empirical debate about the realities of drugs and their short and long term effects on the population? What about the REAL side effects? The damage done to peoples lives, to society, economy, future generations?

The argument is its worth the risk but this removes any sort of rational conversation. We said going to war in Iraq was a risk worth taking, Afghanistan too. We said demonizing and persecuting homosexuals, black people, women, disabled people, ethnic minorities was worth the risk. You dont need to look back at how enthusiastic we were to support these then current political narratives. Look at us now. You are now a criminal if you support any of the above. Society is fickle. We want everybodys toys in the sand pit until one day we wake up and nobody wants to play with us anymore. Now suddenly we are friends with everybody we hurt until its acceptable to abuse them again. Anything that seems appropriate given enough evidence (viable or not, mostly groupthink in my opinion as is rife among establishments, corporations, academia and the like) is encouraged. Until we stand corrected.

So why do we keep doing those things?
Moreover, why make such a rash decision over something incredibly important (the health and wellbeing of yourself) based on what seems appropriate now. Flogging black men was appropriate a few hundred years ago. Shall we restart that trend? Oh but its appropriate and I can prove it based on contrived evidence to support my doing it. But we know the consequences but at the same time, reality has changed so that makes it okay? And you follow the same logic with your own body?

Speaks volumes about how damage Western society is, but we have known this for a long time. It has been a topic at the table of some of the brightest thinkers we have known and our impending suffering has been chartered out long before our current times.
 
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No, just a simple phone (to call, no need for anything else)...not a computer + phone + camera +...

For example :

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Or this :

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@Mr. Krinkle good day there. Did you see this one yet? Live UK News interview.

It’s a massive slip of the tongue. Attracting quite some attention.

Most here I’m sure will simply say he meant to say the opposite, but used “much more” instead of “much less.” An innocent error.

Others may imagine he is objecting and standing up for humanity.

My money? Another possible case of “Hiding the truth in plain sight.”

Like, it’s spelled out here as plainly and clearly as can be. That’s good enough right there to practically absolve them completely.

I remain considerate to all 3 but my gut leans to number 3.

Any way it’s pretty jaw dropping.

 
The Chinesev communist government purposely did this because Trump stood up to them, they don’t care if they wipe out half there people in the process, they’re over populated anyways , this was there way of attacking us and our economy.
 




Under 18s in England had about a 1-in-50,000 chance of being admitted to intensive care with coronavirus during the first year of the pandemic, one study in the analysis found. A number of conditions that were previously thought to increase the risks of Covid-related illness, like active asthma or cystic fibrosis, brought “very little risk,” researchers said at a press briefing.


1 in 50,000!!!! are you fuckin kidding me? i swear im gonna fight this - there's no way my kid gets any of these shots - i'll shop for a doc to write off on a medical exemption if need be - i promise that
 
@Xorkoth

Pretty much nobody I know (and my circles are largely left wing) have any desire to vaccinate their children in the near future. The problem is, I also know numerous left wing people who don't want the jab and the Australian government wants 80% of the population vaccinated.

In 2019, around 19.28 percent of Australia's population was between 0 and 14 years old

100% of the population over the age of 14 is not going to happen. We'd be lucky to get 80% over the age of 14 the way we're going. Only 25% of the country (give or take) has received the first jab.

Is the government going to demand we vax our kids or do we keep bobbing in and out of lockdowns forever? I'm not vaccinating my daughter and I don't want my wife to be vaccinated either because we're going to have more kids.

I strongly disagree with the idea that we need a certain percent of the population vaccinated. We need to set a date.

I've said most of this before. It's just driving me crazy. I've done my time in lockdown. I've been vaccinated. I need this to be over.
 
LordOfThisWorld said:
The Chinesev communist government purposely did this because Trump stood up to them, they don’t care if they wipe out half there people in the process, they’re over populated anyways , this was there way of attacking us and our economy.

If this was a planned strategic move on their part, it's pretty fucking impressive. If this is viral war, it is - without a doubt - one of the most brilliant tactical moves ever... I feel similarly about 9/11. Even more so if you are conspiracy minded.
 
I'm not getting vaccinated, And no I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I believe in getting vaccines, just not this one, it seems to me it's the stamp of the beast, laugh all you want.
I won’t laugh. I’ve very long been laughed at though. I’m actually way more sensitive than people might believe, as I come across very extrovert and brash.

I’m just brave, or stupid, or both. But always true to myself. Not aloof. Just not afraid or ashamed of being honest about my feelings, with nothing but good intentions ever I add.

That will always count for something, but obviously does not justify or excuse wrongdoing, crime or unwarranted harm to others outside the true greater good.
 
@AutoTripper

A thousand Pinkie and the Brains.

Thing is we don't know and we may never know. It's possible but it's also possible the virus just appeared naturally. Viruses have been coming out of China for a lot longer than laboratories have existed. The plague (black death) came from China. SARS-1. The Asian Flu. H5N1. They can't have all come from a lab, so how do we decide which ones were planned attacks and which weren't?

I don't trust either side of the argument. Everyone has an agenda. If a scientist or two says it came from a lab, that doesn't mean anything to me. I need to consider the evidence. So far, I haven't seen anything that has convinced me one way or another. If they had strong evidence that it came from a lab, scientists around the world would consider it. I don't believe in a worldwide conspiracy of ignorance. If we knew it came from a lab, we would know it. We don't know it.

Too many people are afraid of China to even consider the idea that this was tactical, because the implications are disturbing. We are - honestly - probably better off not knowing. If you drag a monster out from the shadows, it might just rip your head off in broad daylight.

China has very long been the builder and harbourer of so much evil and darkness towards humanity

I'm not sure I agree with this. It's hard not to think negatively of China at the moment, but they don't have any ownership over historical cruelties. The Japanese were particularly brutal to the Chinese for a long time. The Romans were brutal to everyone. The Mongols were brutal. And so on, and so forth.

A poor man does desperate things for his family. The rich judge the poor, but would they do any different? China isn't evil. I don't like the CCP because it poses a threat, but communism has done a lot of good for China. There's no arguing with that.

There's a problem that every so-called "evil" empire faces when it becomes too rich for it's own good. When there are no poor people, it's much harder to control the masses. The Chinese people don't have any loyalty to China when they get to a certain level of wealth. This is why they go to such lengths to get out of China.

Nearly 800 million people are no longer impoverished in China, under the CCP.

The more successful they become, the less desperate they will be. The white Western world has a tendency to take for granted how it got to where it is today. We were all brutal once. My ancestors were vikings.
 
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