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Opioids Opium Poppies - How to tell?

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Gaz_hmmmm

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Where I live I see alot and I mean alot, like a shit load of poppies. I can tell the Red Corn/War Memorial day poppy and also there's quite a few small yellow/slight orange ones too that grow in my area that I know are not Papaver somniferum/Opium poppy, but how do I tell if the other's are definately opium?

The majority are in peoples gardens and will have to be 'liberated' in the American Govt'/military sense of the word. ;)

So how do I tell?

Would eating non-P'-Somniferum potentially kill me or just add to my vegetable intake?

Thanks in advance!
 
Don't eat poppies, they are not meant to be eaten and moreover everything but the seeds taste like shit.

"Liberating" flowers from people's gardens is an asshole move too.

P. somiferum is primarily identified by its waxy grayish, jagged leaves, lack of hairs on the stem, (most often) bright red or white petals.
 
i chuckled when you said "liberating" them. xD people in the UK grow poppies in their gardens? that's awesome...wish they did that here.
 
^this and also it's very difficult for one to tell opium poppies from other strains and for someone who doesn't know what to look for to start with near impossible
 
Just go on google and search Papaver Rhoeas.

That is the red poppy, also known as the Corn poppy. It will not kill you. It is basically a milder version of the Somniferum.

Quote from wiki :
Rhoeadine (rheadine) is an alkaloid derived from the flowers of the Corn Poppy (Papaver rhoeas). It is used as mild sedative and mild antitussive

Rhoeadine is the main alkaloid in Papaver rhoeas.
It is easy to tell the difference, i go picking the Rhoeas instead of the somniferum.
 
P. somniferum is largely planted around 50 kilometres from where I live. There are very big fields of opium poppies. And they definitely are high morphine levels ones. All these poppies are contracted but I know of some addicts stealing from these fields and making Polish heroin.
 
No, these fields aren't protected by some soldiers or whatever authorities. Actually, there has been a great fall in Polish heroin popularity due to the inflow of powder heroin even to smaller cities, so now it's a rare practice to steal from such fields. Plus there are some not many illegal fields that are much smaller and the poppy straw is sold illegally. Anyway, Poland is not such a big producer of opium, sure, there are some Polish pharmaceutical companies producing quite a few brands of drugs with opioids but I think they also import most of poppies they need for production.

We're in the EU now, so if someone wants to kill someone else, it's needed to be done more secretly. :p
 
Gaz_hmmmm said:
Would eating non-P'-Somniferum potentially kill me
Fuck eating papaver somniferum could kill you. Eating papaver bracteatum would kill you without some chemistry know-how. A lot of the others are harmless, there's a few that are toxic, I forgot which.
sekio said:
Don't eat poppies, they are not meant to be eaten
A lot of things not meant to be eaten are eaten on bluelight.
P. somiferum is primarily identified by its waxy grayish, jagged leaves, lack of hairs on the stem, (most often) bright red or white petals.
Leaves are usually pretty green, sometimes later they turn a blueish color. Hair on the stems is common with somniferum, but the majority have no hair. It's petals can be almost all the colors of the rainbow, except blue. Well maybe there's a hybrid that's blue, I don't know. Garden varieties often look like a pompom, they're still fun. Seed/opium varieties have four large petals. Common petal colors are white and white with purple toward the base. Pods are usually bigger than other poppies, and turn a greyish-blueish color when ready for opium harvest. Search opiumpoppies.org for pictures

For tea or alkaloid extraction it's best to wait til they dry out naturally. However the rain can then wash out the good shit, so you can harvest early, still good. Also rain is bad for alkaloid production. I think I heard on the news it's been raining a lot in the UK(what's new). They should still be good.

It's best to dry them out, can be used still wet. You can make a tea(best) or just eat the powder. A little fiber in your diet won't hurt, especially when on opiates. Be sure to grind up the crown good, it can get caught in your throat.
rules said:
wish they did that here.
They do. More common than you'd think. I've seen major stores sell seeds for growing. Technically illegal, but so is San Pedro. More serious shit if caught though.
foolsgold said:
so dont the ones we see in corn fields i.e memorial day ones have any morphine in them ?
Nope, none at all, except maybe a hybrid(don't know if it's possible). They're as valuable as fool's gold, foolsgold;).
tricomb said:
Really? I don't know how things go down in Poland but in other parts of the world, they keep a better eye on the opium poppy fields, people who go to steal are shot on sight.
I've heard that pods aren't really that well guarded in most countries. It's not possible, they're widely grown mostly for seeds. Even in India and Turkey it's not well guarded. In India a lot gets diverted to the black market. Shit in Afghanistan and Burma they often don't give a fuck if you walk up to their farm. It's only in the US that we have this shoot 'em and let God sort them out attitude.
 
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Nope, none at all, except maybe a hybrid(don't know if it's possible). They're as valuable as fool's gold, foolsgold.

cheers just wondered with living in the sticks we get seas of red each year around us
 
Sorry people I meant making tea, not actually chowing down on them.

You can get blue petalled opium flowers, I had Hungarian Blue a few years back.
 
^Hungarian Blues are purple. It gets it's name from the color of the seeds, although you could argue it can be a blueish purple, I don't see it. The two varieties of papaver somniferum are Nigrum(dark seeds, blue) and Album(light seeds, white or yellow). Nigrums are usually grown for seeds and album are usually grown for opiates. Some strains of both are used for either one, also there's crosses. It's other species that have blue flowers, like Meconopsis grandis. Also oriental poppies can be blue. I think I read that they're hybrids that breeder's went through a lot of trouble making.I have heard that Papaver Somniferum can rarely be blue, can't find pictures and never seen it. Maybe a hybrid? Not sure about Papaver Setigerum or hybrids of it, don't think it's blue.

If it was blue I sure hope you kept some seeds. You either got really lucky or burned.It's not uncommon for vendors to misrepresent what strain it is. Often they say it's from this region but it's not, sometimes they just sell breadseeds for a high markup. Or they grow them and it gets inadvertently crossed with other strains. It'd be nice if someone sold real solid strains. Afghanistan for example has three main strains. They're unstable but some are very hardy and some produce a lot of strong opium. I think India has like thirteen strains, maybe more. Yet I've never seen them sold, or any other one's like Turkish soft, real Iranian, Japanese, Korean, Egyptian, Iraqi, real Chinese, Laotian, Taijk, Mexican, Colombian and various strains from those regions and many others. Some may be extinct. There's also some interesting strains of Setigerum, Orientale, and Bracteatum.

There's so many possibilities. We haven't even scratched the surface compared to cannabis, where you can get just about any strain and landrace. And growing, breeding and harvesting is perfected. No lancing/harvesting tools, very rarely opium lamps(which would probably work good for hash too) rarely real opium pipes(some new ones go for as much as a good bong, real old ones cost a lot), and a lot of bad info. Everyone just wants to drink shitty tasting tea to replace H/pills. Not that there's anything wrong with that, not at all;). I just think more could be done.

Papaver Orientale does have oripavine, equipotent to morphine but more likely to cause convulsions like thebaine. It's not as bad as thebaine though. Most don't make much, some make a lot. It'd be cool if someone found out which strains are high producers. Some interesting things it can do.

Lastly, sekio was close to right, there won't be hairs on the pod itself AFAIK. On the stem is somewhat common. Also somniferums are usually much bigger than other species. Bracteatum comes close but it's a perennial with a distinct look. It's hard for the lay person or even a cop to identify it, particularly in the seedling, vegetative stage, even up to the flower stage, it looks like any other plant but if you've grown them you'd know exactly what it looks like. Not many others look like it. It's not as obvious as cannabis(which doesn't really look like any other plant) but is distinct.
 
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^That's probably true if no one knows you. Though I think in Colombia they have had journalist interview growers. Still might not give a fuck, though they probably would not give a fuck about gatting yo ass either. They have had some weed growers, usually associated with Mexican gangs, shoot at some encroaching on their grow site in the US. Usually it seems they just abandon it or try to scare them away. Fuck I'd ask them for a pound8o. And there was that one dude, some crazy White poppy grower who killed those two dudes looking for growers on logging land. Fuck just what poppies need, a higher profile:!. That, the dude who OD on pod tea, and the Mexican poppy growers a few years back are going to fuck shit up for the rest of us.
 
p. paeoniflorum grows naturally here to some degree, but 'obtaining' pods for tea is definitely illegal. when i go out for day recon i can usually spot the plants fairly easily due to the greyish/green color of its stem and leaves. leaves are also quite distinct. of course, if it's blooming there is also a huge pink peony-ish flower on top. after it has flowered, i have noticed the pod itself is generally more round and circular than the elongated/cone-shaped p. rhoeas pods. overall, if it has the color, the leaf shape, and the globed pod i can confirm it (after doing this for so long though i know in an instant and my heart skips a beat).

the problem i'm having here is making a potent enough tea. yes, i know to wait X days after flowering. yes, i know that rain will leech alkaloids, grind the pods to all hell, add some lime juice or rice wine vinegar, and DO NOT use water above 160 C. but what i am experiencing is that with 3, 5 or 10 pods, no difference. just well, not high. plants are at their peak right now, but i'm just about to give up and wait for oxys in a week or so. still, when it gets dark at night and i know those pods are out there- cold, scared, alone- what am i to do? any advice on a more effective method for tea?
 
I assume you're in Japan from your Location.The Japanese cultivar of opium poppies is call Ikkanshu. It makes an opium with a high morphine, codeine and meconidine content, and with a low narcotine content. I think it's usually has four white petals. It gives a high yield of opium, about 200-300mg per pod vs. 20-80mg in some strains. I'm not sure, but I think Japan has used them for opium relatively recently, at least til the 60's. Might still grow them for seeds and research. I sure wish I could find legit seeds for Ikkanshu strains. That and North Chinese and Korean strains. Some may be gone forever, thanks to the USA's global war on drugs(aka fun). Although one person on another forum claimed to have Korean poppy seeds handed down from family; He/she didn't get much attention.

I have seen breadseeds labeled Ikkanshu from Japan on online stores, but I don't know if it's all real Ikkanshu or just India, because I think Ikkanshu might just be a generic name for any poppies in Japanese. Also think for awhile it was guerrilla grown for opium. They may have escaped into the wild from either legal or illegal growing. Maybe the poppies escaped into the wild and lost their potency?

Do you mean Fahrenheit and not Celsius? You'd have to be on another larger planet or use a pressure cooker to get to 160c. Think I read the highest you can effectively go with tea is 80c. Also vinegar is not needed, for the alkaloids are in the form of the very soluble meconate salts, maybe a little bit of sulfates or nitrates, not sure about the last two.
 
sekio said:
P. somiferum is primarily identified by its waxy grayish, jagged leaves, lack of hairs on the stem, (most often) bright red or white petals.

Also, the pod itself is round, or oval, not of a triangle-like shape.
 
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