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Opiates vs alcohol

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Eyes On the Roll

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as most of you know I quit oxy almost 3 months ago (may 9th) and have been drinking daily since. Oxy was far more addicting, and a lot more expensive. Being addicted to oxy, I was confined to my apartment for days on end smoking blues and heroin (when i didn't have blues). Since I've been done with opiates, I've had a lot more cushion money, and have been going out quite a bit.. but at the same time I'm drunk 24/7. Steel reserve (8.1%) won't even suffice anymore, I now have to drink straight liquor, with wine in between.

Which one is worse for your body? Alcohol or opiates? Daily use of course.

When I first began using alcohol it strengthened my intelligence, but now, I just feel retarded... and not smart anymore (which is unlike me.. because I tested "superior" (121) in 1st grade in an IQ test and have been in gifted courses since) . I guess the same can be said about opiates. It's just that, whenever I go out, I always make myself the center of attention, which inspires other males to become pissed at me. The other night I was dancing with a girl at a club (I never dance trust me..) and out of no where a bunch of hispanic males started pushing me, trying to instigate a fight. This was in a mob of people. I'm 21 and look a lot younger, and I'm only 6 foot 1 155 pounds.. against 4 other people. Of course, since I'm always drunk, I have quite the ego.

I started exchanging insults back and forth with them, and eventually, I tucked a $20 bill down the pocket of the main dudes shirt, and told him "take this, and just go away and leave me and my girl alone". I guess that made him snap, because he hit me. I quickly grabbed him in a choke hold and began to choke him out, while his 3 (or 4?) other friends began to beat the shit out of me. I did not let go of the guy I was holding onto, and soon enough, the bouncers pulled his friends off me. I quickly stood up with blood on my face, and realized that the guy I was holding onto was out cold, passed out.

So what did I do? like an idiot I kicked him about 5 times in the fucking chest (while security was crowd controlling and restraining his friends), and I kind of came back to reality, looked around, and took the fuck off. My "friends" were in a different corner of the club, and I suspect they saw the whole thing and didn't want to do anything. This time I really wasn't doing anything wrong, or looking for a fight, and my own friend weren't there to help me. This makes me believe, that maybe they want to see me get my ass kicked?

Anyways, I was running down the middle of Ybor strip with a bloody white dress shirt, and I woke up in a hotel outside of my budget.. with no wallet.

I'm sorry if this is nonlinear, but I am not as smart as I used to be..
Now what's more dangerous? If I had a prescription to oxy I'd be fine, and yes, I constantly think about snorting a blue, but I don't, I turn to the bottle instead.
 
Have you ever considered trying life sober and clean from all drugs, it's free and it's a trip in itself after a long time abusing.

I try and spread my drug experiences out with long gaps of abstinence between these days, maybe just cos I'm getting older and my poor old body can't take the batterings like it used to, but it was a change in the way I thought about drugs and drug induced experiences that has definitely been for the better. It doesn't take long to clean out your system and get your whole organism back into balance (a month or 2), then you can take a drug and just slam it, the experience will be much more intense and profound with zero tolerance and you will feel healthier and bounce back much more quickly than if you are abusing a substance every day.
 
i asked my doctor what was better for the bpdy, alcohol or opiates and he said pharmeceutical grade opiates adiminstered the proper way is far healthier than alcohol, infact he told me most drugs that are pure in their content are better for you than alcohol

he also said if i really want to preserve my health, sobriety is better than the lot
 
Yes, most harm from opiates is indirect. Bad injection technique, impurities, financial, change of priorities, etc.
Opiates aren't inherently bad, they're not neurotoxic like Alcohol, and they won't fuck up your liver, or anything for that matter.
There's no doubt in my mind that alcohol is much more harmful than opiates, and the fact it is cheap and easily available just enables you to be an alcoholic with such ease.
Do what you want, but Alcohol is much worse for your body (and mind, if you're one to separate the two)
 
even with alcohol neurotoxicity considered, if you havent been binge drinking for years, theres a good chance youre just as smart (or close to it) as you were not too many years ago. Being drunk all the time, or hungover when you're not - would undoubtedly lead to ridiculous behavior, poor judgement, etc. Personally, and for most, hangovers fog your cognitive ability quite considerably, especially when you simply feel like crap. And being drunk, well, after the novelty of drinking wears off, and you're just drinking out of habit, its less socially lubricating and more just intoxicating (in my humble opinion).

So why not just slow down/quit drinking, and see where that takes you? you may just be too drunk right now to be smart, if you will
 
Trading opiates for alcohol is a shit deal imho, I'd suggest going sober for a while. Alternatives maybe pot or just a couple of beers, enough to get a buzz, but nothing more. Personally I chose the sober road, with a bit of herb once in a while, I can't control my drinking as well. Opiates only get you addicted faster, alcohol will fuck up everything you care for, at least that was my reason for quitting.

Getting some sober time is the best thing you can do at the moment, if you want your old smart self back. Alcohol does destroy braincells, the more you drink, the dumber you'll feel.
 
Nothing does more damage then drinking...

I agree with above (try being clean and sober) trading addictions isn't a good idea in the end you will end up just as bad as on the oxies
 
The danger in opiate overdose isnt as high as you'd think, it's the combination of things that tends to kill, usually Xanax. A fatal dose of heroin is actually pretty friggin big for the daily user.

I personally hate alcohol and think its far more dangerous than any drug, has as many if not more people addicted to it than drugs and it's so damaging to the body. The biggest peeve I have with it though is the masses that drink it daily but snub their noses at people that choose to relax or alter their realities in other ways.

With that being said I'm an opiate addict, I've been on methadone for about a year and a half. If the cost wasn't so high and it didn't cause such dishonesty and chaos in people's lives then I'd be pro opiate. Unfortunately anything good in this world is illegal because heaven forbid we be happy so for chronic use opiates are a terrible choice too. Sobriety for people who can be sober is cool. I'm a huge advocate of weed even though I don't smoke it. My party choice is a G of coke. Gets me social but doesn't get me strung out
 
Without a doubt, opiates/oids are way better for you. Alcohol literally harms and is very capable of destroying almost every organ and type of cell in your body. It literally puts the "toxic" in intoxicating. Over time, opiates that are clean and reasonably pure are incapable of doing the kind of harm that alcohol, tobacco, acetaminophen, pretty much any OTC drug that's "safe". I want to address this emphasis on "more addicting". The idea that some substances are "more" addicting/ive is completely stupid. It assumes that everyone has the same baseline of the effects and reasons of using drugs. I have taken Adderall, I'm prescribed Ritalin for ADHD, drank, had several benzos, etc; I can derive absolutely no pleasure or desire to persist in using any of those substances, despite all of them being "highly addictive". The only kinds of drugs I like are opiates/oids, so in my case, yes, technically they would be addictive. But not because I like what I can't have, or any culturally homogenous reason. They have an effect on me that is subtle, and yet enables me to feel not bad (rather than insanely good). That's why I like them: not to feel good, but to not feel bad, which is my baseline existence. So this idea of degrees of addicvtiveness is complete bullshit, a figment of imagination spun by scaremongerers and world governments intent on making us all drug-illiterate. The potenital for abuse lies not with the drugs classified as having a "high potential abuse", but rather a very eclectic and heterogenous population. Drugs exist in a vacuum. They aren't "bad/good" "addictive/healthy", etc. They just are, they exist. Their effects are completely dependant on us (not the other way around). Some people find nirvana in alcohol or benzos, others in cigarettes, still others in marijuana, some people in things as strange as diphenhydramine or glue etc. It takes different drugs to move the world.
 
Opioids are physically safer but a hell of a lot more addictive. I know very few people to become serious alcoholics like you're becoming. I've had my periods of heavy drinking myself but after a few days on a bender I get really sick of alcohol and it stops being pleasurable.
 
Still congrats on staying away from opiates, but I would taper off of the alcohol with the help of a doctor. Or you could switch to a benzodiazepine and taper safely with less harm than continuing to drink.

Best of luck getting there man, you can do it.
 
The key to get back you old mind state is moderation; easier said than done. You do not have to get sober cold turkey, the only place you could achieve that (after becoming weaned of physically) would be a monastery or buddhist temple. You have to taper down very slowly, otherwise it would not work in your common environment (mainly parties, bars and clubs?). I'd say alcohol and strong opiates are equally mind dampening, with the former being more damaging to your body.

My tipps would be, try not to touch liquor at all, drink only beer. For every alcohol containing beer drink an alcohol free beer. Also drink a lot of green tea and try different adaptogens (they're not expensive) and get yourself into endurance sports (slowly). You won't need anything, but relatively healthy legs and feet. Try to slowly increase the number of alcohol free beer for 1 alcohol containing one until you reach a relatively healthy lifestyle without the black outs. You're still young and can now change a lot easier than later, when the crapometer reaches the level of your nose.
 
I vote booze

I've been a user of both at seperate occasions. Opiates are far worse because they are easier to hide. You really have to push it with booze for an extended period of time to have your body shut down . The product of your behaviour might be a different story but people react to alcohol differently so it depends on the character . Booze is physically more harming overall but it actually acts like a warning . More people die from pharm opioids a year in the states then all other illicit drugs as well as booze combined . Go with booze you'll fuck more chicks ... fat or not
 
What the hell m8. It's good you kicked opiates out of your life but, being drunk 24/7? That's even worst. Try moderate your drinking, and spent most of your time sober. Improve your life, find a job, make new friends, find a girl. If you feel you can't do it, then you do need proffessional help. A rehab or at least some outpatient help.
Im sorry for scolding you here but there is nothing good in what you are doing here.
 
Smoking pills? Is that even a thing? Ew. That is disgusting. You know, that if you take oxycodone orally you get like 90% of the drug in your system right... I was not even aware that was a thing. Who in their right mind smokes a pill? Snorting them is stupid enough in my opinion, considering the oral bioavailability.

Alcohol is way worse for your body, but I don't think anyone can really say what the long term effects of smoking pills are. They were designed to be consumed orally.
 
^ I don't know much about oxy, but smoking a drug ain't just about the effects. You know, it's the whole ritual.
 
I think that vaporizing pure oxycodone on its own would not cause health issues, but it is the fact that oxycodone accounts for a very small percentage of what is in one of those blue pills (I don't think pure oxycodone is blue, for example). Smoking all those other inactive chemicals that make up a pill, really doesn't sound like a smart idea to me when you can pop the pill and get 90% of the drug in your system anyway. Now, smoking heroin would make more sense if it was the freebase heroin #3 type, or I guess black tar, although I only ever used heroin #4 which doesn't really smoke that well.
 
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