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Opiates or stims more euphoria for you? Which do you prefer?

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I was just curious on what y'all think.

I would have to probably go with stims, I don't have as much experience as I do opiates but they definitely give more euphoria to me.

So I started out doing hydrocodone and codeine before any stims, and I thought the euphoria was amazing. But I always got really sick and didn't really like just lying down. I mean don't get me wrong, I love the warm fuzziness of it and just relaxing but I didn't like being able to do nothing else but lie down... but yeah back to the point, I thought nothing could get better than that, but then I tried some aderall and I felt more euphoria than I have ever felt on any opiates. It was a more like super happy and like I have every reason to be alive kind of euphoria. And I was actually motivated to talk to people and draw and do homework ect... and I really liked that. Don't get me wrong, nothing can ever replace the bliss of opiates but being a not very confident person, a drug where I can be confident and be extremely euphoric and socially and just regularly motivated is perfect. Then I tried mdma and that just blew everything out of the park. And I never felt as bad on aderall as I did opiates. I hate not being able to sleep though. But what are y'alls opinions? And honestly I like then both a lot because hydro makes me feel so cozy and warm and amazing and fuzzy lol. But I would rather be extremely confident and motivated and extremely euphoric over that. It's a tough decision for me though because they're both great. Mdma is by far my favorite thing though but IDK what that it really classified as. Im guessing an upper.
 
MDMA is most definitely a stimulant! And really at the moment I honestly cant make that decision. I love both of them equally. 5 years ago I would have definitely picked downers like opioids such as oxy, also benzos like valium and klonopin. I used to be a heavy oxycodone user and abuser as well as an IV heroin addict later on after my oxy addiction, but now I am on buprenorphine to stay off those more powerful, full agonist opioids like oxy/H. I have always and still do love coke and Adderall too. Also love me some benzos mainly valium and what I'm scripted, klonopin. So these days I cant have my Adderall without my bupe and klonopins to balance it all out and feel just right. The feeling I get from all of these is wonderful, and it is also extremely helpful aside from its recreational value. Most people don't find subutex to have much recreational value but I beg to differ as I love that feeling of bupe so much! I take Adderall daily with it for ADHD and klonopin for social/general anxiety disorder, so while these meds not only help me, they make me feel pretty great as well, even though I have built a tolerance to klonopin, but bupe isn't like that. It is better the less you do to some extent, like when I do 2mg I feel a shitload better than if I did 8mg at once, I also IV my bupe for the close to 100% BA it has, and it shows too by the nice feeling I get from it, however I in no way recommend anyone do this with their bupe. Its very addicting and you wont want to go back to other ROAs. When I have the money I love IV coke and smoking crack too occasionally, But I have been kind of staying away from that with the Adderall. It has not only helped tremendously with my ADHD but it makes me feel so good too. So good that I don't feel like I need to go get coke anymore, nor do I really want it. So yeah for me its a tie!
 
^ IV bupe is good but it has no "rush". IMO there is little incentive to IV a drug if there's no rush, that's a big part of the "fun" of it...

Of course, IV bupe is quite economical, so I suppose there is an incentive if you want to conserve your drugs.

I'm not sure what's "better", as per the OP's question. As far as the single best high, I'd have to vote for IV d-methamphetamine. But IV heroin is much more abusable long-term, whereas with enough meth shot into your bloodstream you'll eventually feel like a walking corpse and will crash like a 747 jet plunging to earth from 30,000 feet :) I don't use either anymore though
 
Idk, opiates and stims both are very euphoric but in different ways. Stims are a awake, energetic euphoria where opiates are a relaxed chill euphoria.. So it just depends on what you like.
 
Opiates and amphetamine are similar to me, both make it easy to feel okay around everybody and reduce stress. Opiates are more euphoric as they are natural like marijuana and do not literally eat away the body and brains resources or have taxing loads and comedowns.

The headspace is virtually the same though, high dose opiate, you'l tunnel out into a nod, high dose Dexedrine, you'l Tunnel into catatonic tingles but because it's releasing adrenaline you'l get anxious.

opiates are what Add meds were trying to be, but are too addictive and really don't work once you start getting high off them, but something like 5-10 mg oxy with no tolerance is way better for focus and non stimulant mental energy and behavior control

The failing for the psychology behind opiates though is that as soon as you experience a higher dose prior doses are invalid, because it will only make you functional and better because of the fact that it's effect seems like all you ever need in the moment so you can do truly annoying for add stuff with spirit and a more passionate effort.

I've seen it all, friend with both Autism and add using opiates in the short term to socialize normally, go on dates, and live like a confident regular person. This isn't possible on "add meds" to even most people with add. Besides Dexedrine, they all make you very weird once their euphoria goes away.
 
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Stims in low doses make me feel like a "normal" person. Like 5mg Dexedrine IR. I can't handle coffee now even though, I abused the shit out of coffee in high school, when I had a huge (2 combined) runs as a paperboy, for the big big newspaper here, so it was 7 day a week + some other papers + magazines in high school, i had lots of money for a 16 year old heh, waking up at 5 am, or just not sleeping and being on the internet all night on my awesome 33.6 connection (it was amazing at the time, irc, people from other countries holy shit, we can play Doom with 7 other people? Damn! Though, first I started to hate coffee, now I hate stims, can't even think of eating some of the many bottles of IR or spansule Dexedrine I got stashed, kept renewing it...hey its free maybe one day I'll like having some. I doubt it though. But I renewed them until I had no more renewals. I was lucky that the stupid goddamn Tories did not as threatened, move Dexamphetamine to Schedule I, making it so you can only have one renewal. Amphetamine itself, racemic is schedule I though, Adderal XR manages to remain legal which is strange but yeah, that's their useless change in the law in 2012. I got 12 month renewals for Dexedrine and a female friend of mine, I don't see her often, but she's so much smarter since I met her and she told me she was on Adderall XR 30mg (theres no adderal IR here), I was like shit, I got the 25mg at first but thats all, she was approved for the generic "amphetamine salts" in them and all was fine for anyone takign Dexedrine IR/Spansules, Adderal XR/Vyvanse.

If somebody from Canada can explain to me how that can be, give me a PM or post about it in a thread more about speed(s) themselves.

Opiates feel even better, but more "escape-ish", it's not very social, like how smoking freebase isn't (and is also fucking dangerous even if its massively euphoric, for 2 minutes). What was the best hard drug abuse for me..well..best...as long as I could pay for the Dilaudid, was to take high doses of Dexedrine, and waiting for the knee deep in the dumps feeling of the comedown to be at its worst, then I would do a shot of 4-8mg Dilaudid and holy shit the euphoria came back, hard.

I guess that's why real uber junkies like to "even out" when they feel they had too much H with meth to shoot up.
 
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THE_REAL_OBLIVION said:
Stims in low doses make me feel like a "normal" person. Like 5mg Dexedrine IR. I can't handle coffee now even though, I abused the shit out of coffee in high school, when I had a huge (2 combined) runs as a paperboy, for the big big newspaper here, so it was 7 day a week + some other papers + magazines in high school, i had lots of money for a 16 year old heh, waking up at 5 am, or just not sleeping and being on the internet all night on my awesome 33.6 connection (it was amazing at the time, irc, people from other countries holy shit, we can play Doom with 7 other people? Damn!

Opiates feel even better, but more "escape-ish", it's not very social, like how smoking freebase isn't (and is also fucking dangerous even if its massively euphoric, for 2 minutes). What was the best hard drug abuse for me..well..best...as long as I could pay for the Dilaudid, was to take high doses of Dexedrine, and waiting for the knee deep in the dumps feeling of the comedown to be at its worst, then I would do a shot of 4-8mg Dilaudid and holy shit the euphoria came back, hard.

I guess that's why real uber junkies like to "even out" when they feel they had too much H with meth to shoot up.
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Funny you say this about the Dexedrine, I think it's the only stimulant that is even an add med. the rest of them are like quackery drugs (adderall, Ritalin) that seem surreal they even exist since they literally piss everybody off once any semblance of a mood lift wears off. (That's not to say you can't milk adderall for awhile or take Ritalin if your add is mild). Dexedrine works years after the mood lift wears off, because it actually resembles normal.

The Levo amphetamine argument being a "kick" for certain people is a farce. Sure all that body load motivates you when your pretty pleasured by adderall. When it's no longer pleasurable, any body load is just anxiety.

Dexedrine is already an extremely Potent norepinephrine releaser, MORE than meth. if you are dependent on such an artificial body load from adderall it means you have underlying health issues like chronic fatigue or bad hormones adrenals thyroid sleep quality issues lol. And in that case the body load of adderall will eventually leave you in bed for a month when you stop it or overtime you become a walking zombie.
 
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Dexedrine was the best for me too, no yucky levo-amphetamine, Adderall at 30mg is too much for almost anybody, but this girl I know was a dingbat then suddenly was bright when I met her after years of only talking sometimes online, she was on Adderal XR 30mg.

Dexedrine was great, it's just that I ruined it, used too high dosages, did it for days on end (4 days was the max). It gets euphoric and moreish at 30mg.
 
THE_REAL_OBLIVION said:
Dexedrine was the best for me too, no yucky levo-amphetamine, Adderall at 30mg is too much for almost anybody, but this girl I know was a dingbat then suddenly was bright when I met her after years of only talking sometimes online, she was on Adderal XR 30mg.

Dexedrine was great, it's just that I ruined it, used too high dosages, did it for days on end (4 days was the max). It gets euphoric and moreish at 30mg.
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I know it's sad, at 20 IR at a time it's the ultimate sustainable average feeling euphoriant fit doing anything, feeling good, smoking cigs and weed feel great. You can enjoy that for so long. But at 30 You get a kick from Dopamine, where you feel motivation and desire to feel and move more, and then at 40+ it starts to get sedating and catatonic once you deplete your resources. It's almost like when you raise the dose up 10 mg, you get 1-5 days of a bigger and better version of what made the 20 IR originally good, but then everything turns into just serene boredome at any dose. Like 40 to 50 mg feels like just time has stopped and your head is being pulled forward more but it's not really anything.

Maybe because when all the nice adrenal stuff is deleted like lovely epinephrine just feeling the Dopamine part from a higher dose is just strapped in place catatonia from no more energy.
 
I don't take opiates anymore, but this is still a hard choice. I might be a little biased since I was addicted to oxy's for a little while and would love to feel the euphoria again. Since I'm prescribed adderall for my ADHD, I'm really used to the effects and it just helps me concentrate for longer periods of time. When I took oxy, I was able to do long shifts at work and still had energy and motivation, though I was less focused on the work and more on socializing with my coworkers.

Probably stims, though. The comedown isn't as bad.
 
Exactly, if you start opiates with the intention of nodding your doing it wrong, it's like starting amphetamine with the intention of tweaking.
 
Well duh they're more euphoric, but doesn't it make everything unhappier by default once you feel that and like it.

Opiates tamper with like true happiness
 
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Well duh they're more euphoric, but doesn't it make everything unhappier by default once you feel that and like it.

Opiates tamper with like true happiness
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It's weird. To me they are less euphoric. Maybe it's because I've abused the shit of them so I just got used to it or something. I think the only reason I like stims better is because like I said up there ^ maybe bc I've abused opiates so much but I also like how I can get every thing done in no time and I feel very powerful and Inspired to do stuff and I think that actually makes it a little more euphoric for me . Where the only thing I can do on opiates is lie down and get angry at people�� I haven't done opiates in a while but I guess maybe I used them so much I lost the euphoria or something?
 
yeah your mind may be not psychologically opposed to the stimulant stuff. My good friend doesn't feel much from adderall after opiates since I was under the impression amphetamine is already even the first euphoria already a hair away from not preventing personal problems from ruining it. The people who feel shitty and guilty from the opiates tend to not notice the euphoria at all from amps since it's still too cold to like appreciate at all. Whereas having never touched other drugs besides pot or alcohol, a first adderall or Dex is like A Million bucks lol

If the euphoria from opiates is so much better and someone craves it amps may be just crappy by comparison
 
Meth had the strongest and most intense euphoria, maybe aside from MDMA, but MDMA's other effects are quite intense too. With meth I was able to enjoy the body rush much more than with MDMA because it didn't make me start rolling (obviously), so I basically only felt the 'full body orgasmic' feeling and the stimulation. MDMA offers those effects as well, but is more distracting because it also makes you 'kind of' trip (nothing like LSD, but there's a lot of distortion in my visual field on MDMA), therefore I think meth's euphoria was stronger and 'cleaner' than that of MDMA.

So, in short; Meth produces euphoria that is quite a bit stronger than the euphoria opiates give me. BUT, the reason I still prefer opiates BY FAR, is meth's many side effects. After a while that initial euphoria wears off, but you remain stimulated as fuck for a long time. During that time, the stimulation can even become annoying at some point. Because it will still be very present, and you will be wired as fuck. But the actual euphoria will be gone by that point. And redosing just doesn't work that well with uppers IMO. Every time I redose I start noticing some more side-effects that I would also get if you just didn't redose and came back down immediately instead of redosing.. But each time I decide to redose anyway those side-effects become stronger and more annoying.

That's why I prefer opiates' euphoria by FAR. You can keep an opiate high going as long as you have opiates, there is no come-down or crash after a single use. Also, opiate's euphoria, while less intense, is far more mellow and relaxed. I like feeling mellow and relaxed. With stimulants I always feel like I get a high, and then I have to pay for getting high by feeling shitty as hell. The longer I keep the high going, the shittier I'll feel. With opiates, there is never a comedown. Of course opiates are physically addictive, which is its own kind of hell. But at least you don't have to go through a period of feeling like total crap every time you decide to dose up, and I do get that from stimulants.


So, when we're strictly speaking about the strength of the euphoria I'd have to say meth is the winner,
but (by far) my favorite kind of euphoria is opiates'.
 
I'd say stimulants give me the most euphoria. Opiates give me some you euphoria but it's not as intense or enjoyable in my opinion but to be fair I've only had limited expierence with Opiates such as hydrocodone, oxys, codeine, oxycontin once but a bad expierence and roxy 30's which were the best in my opinion as far as euphoria but never anything like morphine, heroin, or fentynal which may have something to do with it. But the euphoria from stimulants has always been better from my expierence but for different reasons depending on the substance and I've used all of these substances quite a bit recreationally on and off for years so I have lots of experience under my belt. Pharmaceutical amphetamines produce a good since of euphoria that is more suitable when I'm in school (working on my masters so I've been in school awhile to say so) but pharmaceutical amphetamines fit the school agenda in my opinion because it is a euphoric high they give me one hell of buzz weather it be snorted or swallowed but I prefer each pharm in different ways for example Vyvanse orally, dexidrine snorted, and adderall snort 2 instant release and swallow one extend release to carry one the high. But either way Pharmacetic all amphetamine euphoria makes me content with just sitting and absorbing information, it makes anything and everything new fascinating to learn, gives me tremendous confedince on projects and especially speeches but I'm not as animated in my speeches with sporadic hand jesters and movements that conceal my high better than other stimulants, also has a buzz that feels relaxing and keeps me able to study but also able to multitask different task together well, also makes communication almost brainless, flirting comes with ease like I become Mr charisma and also just like when anything goes good on a pharm high when things go right like smooth talking a beautiful chick on a date things like that boost the buzz. Most people would disagree with me but I'm also lucky as far as location and my source I live in the southern United States (not the southwest with different distribution hubs) the cocaine that is brought in from Mexico that the mexicans got from south america goes right through I live up the interstate and some is dropped off here on its way to Chicago where most of it gets distributed because Chicago has the 3rd largest Mexican population in the US and 70% of the US population lives in a days drive from Chicago not to mention it's riverside ports and railroad system making it prime for the cartel to distribute drugs across the US. Anyways some is dropped offrom here on its way to Chicago used to id agree and say amphetamines or meth produce the best euphoria but I now have a far better cocaine source who is one of the first around here to get his hands on the product. Over the last few years I've bought coke from this guy on and off due to the purity and that in fact the euphoria is much more superior than any amphetamine. The sensation off his product is almost hard to describe. But to me coke is more of a party stimulant. I don't really feel productive on this shit but i can be if I make myself but I buy mostly for partying. To me the thing that puts it over the top is the euphoria makes me more confident than any other stimulant, lifts my spirits to the point of unnecessary excitement and joy, I have vast amountselection of energy that have no idea what to do with, I become a social God and wanna talk to everybody about anything and everything and actually enjoy being the center of attention! The body buzz isn't as constant in my opinion but the pulsing energy from the buzz is much stronger if that makes any sense and not to mention nothe being able to feel my face throat or hands for some reason. Amphetamine make me feel like Tony Stark, meth makes me feel like a super soldier, but cocaine ever since I found a good source makes me feel like a god! It's only down fall is that it's a short lived high 30 to 45 minutes based on how big of line I did and the constantlyrics have to redose to keep getting high but the euphoria of some damn near close to pure blow easily blows other Stims out the water and is why it's my recreational and social choice. Now meth would be my second choice as far as recreation. Meth also makes me productive like pharmaceutical amphetamines but doesnt really go with school to me it's more of a labor drug and I do use it for that sometimes when I have to work labor jobs in the summer just for that. This is because unlike the buzz increase from rewarding experiences on amphetamines to me the meth buzz increases the more I move and stay busy making it easy to accomplish alot in one day. Meth definitely makes me more confident that amphetamine but not near as much as coke. I am more social on it but I'm more inclined to sit back and listen on meth in social situations than other 2 and not consume more of the spotlight except right after I get high and I'm rushing from my line kicking in I can't shut the fuck up but once that wares of and I just got a nice buzz I chill out. Meth also makes me feel more physically empower I guess from the buzz interacting with movement but I feel safer and more dangerous in aggressive situations and able to put up more of a fight. I still process thoughts the same as regular amphetamine deep and intelligent but fast. I scan rooms and people watch on meth even more than already do naturally which I do alot and more than other stims and process that into useful information almost like a spy assessing danger. That's why I'd say meth makes me feel like a super soldier not really feeling any sort of emotion just confidence and always on the move and ready for anything and constantly taking in information from my surroundings like a special ops soldier, coke makes me feel like a worryless god and superior to everyone else who seems mortal, and pharmaceutical amphetamines which make me feel like a brillant super genius and playboy. Either stim I go with in either case is better than any opiate high I've expierenced where I just feel good don't get me wrong but never as good as these Stims nor really great at anything like Stims.
 
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