Opioids Opiate Withdrawal Arsenal - How to do this?

[ReggieTheCat]

Hey, so I have been using various opiates daily for about 1 year. Started with sniffing 8mg-12mg dillys then at various times used 'greenies' (fake oxy 80's with 1.2+ mg of fent in them), 80 - 120 mg of real oxy by mouth, sniffing 3 points of h thru 24-32 hours or 32 mg hydromorph-contin swallowed.

I'd say that those numbers would be in the 'above average' user category, correct? When I don't have anything, I go through w/d, but it never gets as bad as it does with some people I know, but it is certainly very uncomfortable. my RLS is the worst symptom, i get no sleep and I get the sweats and general dysphoria, pain and depression. The hardest part is getting out of bed. I've gone up to 3-4 days without using anything (keeping in mind my main DOC are the greenies [fent] which has a short halflife) and by day 3 i generally feel like things are starting to turn around until the cravings kick in, and the cycle begins again. I always screw up on Day 3.

Now I really want to get out of this cycle before I go too far and my W/D's just get worse and worse. I think I'm somewhat lucky that they are bad, but not as bad as some of the horror stories on here. Does this have to do with the amounts I am using? Are these very high amounts? Just putting it into perspective. My W/D is bad enough that I would not be able to go to work, or hang with friends - I don't have enough energy and I'm generally in pain. I have to start a new job which requires office work in about 1.5 months. Would this w/d taper schedule work, or will it just prolong w/d? Here's what I've got:

Xanax - I'm prescribed 5 mg a day (yes, not 0.5mg, but a whopping 5 mg due to extreme anxiety)
Gabapentin - I can get these anytime from my doc - I have 30 300 mg caps at the moment
Tramadol - I have 80 50 mg pills and 30 37.5/300 acet pills
Zopiclone - I have none on hand, but can obtain about 30 x 7.5 mg tabs from my doc for insomnia
Suboxone - I have about 8 mg left and I find I get relief from 1 mg or less
Codeine - 8mg OTC tabs here in Canada
Kratom - If needed I can get as much as I want from the head shop
Loperamide

Now how's this:

Take my 5mg Xanax daily as prescribed

Start taper by using 7 x 50 mg tramadol (I'm aware of the seizure risk, but the Xanax helps and I usually take this high of a dose)

Taper the tramadol 50's over about 2 weeks til I'm at about 3 tabs a day and then switch to the lower dose

Use the 37.5 mg tramadol's as needed and taper in conjunction with Gabapentin

Ultimately make the switch to 300-600 mg Gabapentin with no Tramadol. This is where I might switch the Trams to 10 g kratom and work my way down over 5 days or so... I find I can't take it for more than 5 consecutive days since it looses effect for me.

If W/D's get bothersome at this point, use Subs at doses no higher than 1 mg... however, I will try to stay away from these unless I get bad tram w/d or nasty PAWS, but I'm guessing I shouldn't since I will only have the tram for about 2-3 wks tops.

If W/D at this point isn't bad enough to use subs, then use a combo of no more than 5-6 t1's per day as well as gabapentin/zopiclone at night if needed

I will have given myself about 30 days at this point and I would drop the t1's and use gaba and zopiclone only when needed for PAWS. Also, loperamide might be an option here.

Like I said, I'd give myself a full month here and perhaps push myself to get it done quicker depending on how I'm feeling... what I really need to know is if this plan is just going to prolong my W/D's and if it makes any sense in general in terms of the order I use these drugs and the amounts. I'm lucky to have access to these meds, so do you think this will make for an easy w/d? It's the W/D's and cravings that keep me going back, but I never get them with tram, kratom or subs. I find smoking indica strains of pot also help take my mind off things. Gaba does wonders for RLS, depression and sometimes pain and insomnia.
Any comments, advice or suggestions on how to make this the most ideal plan would be really helpful. Please help me help myself so I can turn around my life.

Thanks all!

 

[chase_in_56ace]

I haven't slept in 96hrs due to withdrawal so forgive me if this is a bit scattered.

1.2mg of fent is a monster habit alone without the hydromorphone jesus. You should definitely taper but tapers are never necessary. If you wanna taper this way the plan is OK but I certainly wouldn't start using Kratom after tramadol. I'm on day 4 of heroin withdrawal (1.5g to 2g a day so not as much as you buy comparable) and I basically just jumped off using only..

20mg of loperamide
5g of gabapentin (yes grams)
150mg tramadol

The first two days. It was absolutely brutal but still no where near a horror story. No diarrhea, no RLS. Generally just horrible insomnia and muscle pain.

Your taper is cool but I'm on day 4 and already cutting back on the tramadol and only taking 10mg of Imodium every other day. I'd love some sleep but I'm getting much better already. The closer to cold turkey you can get the better as you will feel better faster.

 

[olypen]

yeah holy shit, if they really had that much regular old fentanyl and sold as Oxy 80s they'd be all over the fucking news from people shooting them and insta-OD'ing. Probably one of the RC analogues.. b-fent or a-fent but who knows.

Considering you're not shooting and using basically orally, anything you snort all ends up in your stomach anyways. I always figure snorting pills and all their binders/fillers is dumb because how much is actually absorbed intranasally and how much drips into your stomach? The bioavailability of oral fent and dilaudid are both shit.

I wouldn't say you're an "above average" as you've gone through withdraw before and it hasn't been that bad and you're not an IV user. You should pat yourself on the back you never took that plunge because IV dilaudid is fucking great and you'd never go back; IV fent is almost suicidal.

Trust me, real fent WD are FUCKING HORRIBLE. Way worse than heroin WD and almost as bad as benzo WD.

If you have a strip of sub and they worked in the past at 1mg i dont see why not just use that and skip the tramadol. I personally think using the tram that long is a bad idea. If you dont have a sub strip, and have a pill instead, it would be harder to divide the dose but it could still be done, not quite as accurately, but crushed into powder and weighed using a .001 scale or even just eyeballing it into 8 even piles at 1mg each and cutting the 1mg piles in two. Maybe supplement the sub with the gabapentin, kratom and xanax (GKX). IF you can, score some clonidine too. I'd try something like this:

Day 1 & 2 xanax, kratom and gaba (GKX), whatever you want to sleep at night and weed as needed. This applies for every day but i'm not typing it out again.

Morning of day, 3 2mg sub and GKX. I say morning because you already know it's the day you'll break down and score.

Day 4 GKX only. The 2mg of subs should hold you. Take another MG only if it's that or using.

Day 5 1mg Sub and GKX.

Day 6 GKX only.

Day 7 1mg sub and GKX

Day 8 .5 sub and GKX

Day 9 GKX only

day 10 .5 sub and GKX

Done.