Opiate "visuals"

[Ham-milton]

I forget if this belongs in BDD or OD, so I flipped a hypothetical coin and picked here.

Anyway, I wondering if anyone experiences this phenomenon.

When I lay down when under the acute effects of opiates (even buprenorphine after I skip a day), if I meditate, holding my mind empty and allow myself to sort of drift into whatever states opiates take me to.

My body will sort of go numb (in a really euphoric, enjoyable way), and if I continue with it, I'll eventually start seeing these "mind movies" like dreams, that for the most part tend to be rather short.

But they only persist as long as I don't notice them, if that makes sense. Once I begin to think about them they disapear.

It's a really weird thing.

I do a lot of meditating, and unfortunately I can only obtain it if I've used opiates. I find it to be the most enjoyable aspect of opiate use, actually. I assume that because I'm able to obtain this with relatively low doses of opiates that my meditation probably has a degree of impact on the experience, correct?

I've rarely truly nodded, but when I have had similar experiences.

Is this most peoples experience?

Is this what most people

 

[silentscience]

yeah ive totally gone to other dream like places on oxy. lying in bed and being completely "in that world". feels like you're being sucked into someone elses body for a few minutes.

 

[MattPsy]

Yeah I get these, my personal name for them is "concept clouds" because of how they feel to me, like I am drifting through the sky and occasionally going through clouds of different density, and each cloud represents a mental concept or memory or somesuch. Clouds can overlap and mix too as real clouds do, so occasionally I wil observe a changeover of concepts without any space in between.
It's like a sort of dream where you just float through all the different stuff that happens but play no part in it.
I get them more with weaker opioids, stronger ones just make me nod out.

 

[Ham-milton]

Holy crap, I'm amazed. I didn't think anyone else had this happen. If you report them MattPsy, then it's gotta be real!

Do you guys find them as enjoyable as any other single part of the opiate experience?

I notice them any time I'm able to feel my opiate. I noticed them way more from Poppy tea and (less so) Vicodin, but vicodin tended to give me a really great body experience, less of the visual one.

Buprenorphine is more body and less visual, too, but it's a fair balance to me.

edit: I should add that they're the entire reason I hate smoking pot with painkillers. They totally ruined this aspect.

 

[silentscience]

actually at times I find them uncomfortable and scary, at other times its ok cause Im feeling so good. it kind of feels "jerky" though....like I cant totally relax while its happening.

 

[MattPsy]

If you report them MattPsy, then it's gotta be real!

Hahah, what? I'm confused now, since when did what I say become gospel?

(hey, cool :D )

Agreed on pot ruining them. Infact IMO pot ruins opiods in general. But then maybe thats because I find pot to be pretty strong.

 

[spork]

I get the same thing fairly often from pod tea as well and I really enjoy it. Actually, now that I think of it more I probably wouldn't drink pod tea as often if I didn't get this.

 

[Walks]

wow I thought i was the only one i knew who this happens to it actually happened about 30mins ago haha i also have alot of lucid dreaming when im nodding its great.

 

[FrostyMcFailure]

iv had these a good few times, kind of like noddy but being in a real and vivid dream state interaction & all.

 

[McFly]

I dunno if the couldnt as visuals as such but i smoked a bunch of h on monday and was gaping at this painting in my tv room and it looked like it was alive at times and the light/shadows around it kept moving and changing. "sitting in the angry chair, shadows danicing everywhere"

 

[Ham-milton]

Hahah, what? I'm confused now, since when did what I say become gospel?

(hey, cool :D )

Agreed on pot ruining them. Infact IMO pot ruins opiods in general. But then maybe thats because I find pot to be pretty strong.

Well... You know... There are people on here who report tweaking off caffeine. Let's just say you're a cut above that

 

[Path. thought.]

Funny, when I do opiates I get itchy and feel a sense of contentment. I don't get visuals but my sight will become blurred for sure. When I nod out I do get the 'jerk' reaction where i'll try to snap myself out of it because i'm worried I'm ODing or some shit... I would definitely not call opiates psychadelic at all though.

 

[Ham-milton]

Well, "visuals" is a bit of a misnomer. They're far more related to dreams than serotonergic hallucinations.

I wouldn't call deleriants psychedelics, either, though, and all three produce some sort of visual phenomenon.

 

[MattPsy]

Hehe, thanks Ham-milton, you are too .

Have you found any ways other than meditation to help induce them?

I'm thinking it might be nice to have some hydrocodone or codeine or perhaps poppy seed tea tonight. Still deciding over which one... or which mixture. I'd like to focus on getting some of these dreams again, too often i've forgotten to close my eyes, instead focusing on movies or PC games or pharmcol./synthesis papers or porn or whatever.
I'll try meditating too .

edit: removed comment about thread possibly being better in ODD. on reflection that places moves far too quickly.

 

[paranoid android]

Ive gotten this while nodding really hard on morphine or hydromorphone. My head will go down and i'll just kind of go into a dream world where i sort of see stuff pass before my eyes. It's not at all psychedelic it's more like a dream then anything else and once i come off my nod i always know that none of it was real.

This happens to me more often when i do a opiate, anti-histamine and benzo mix.

 

[igotthatwork]

Where the fuck are you guys getting all these magical mind-altering opiates from? All I get is a warm euphoria and full body itching...(not complaining, I just want to see what these "opiate dreams" are like)

 

[silentscience]

just lie down when about to nodD and you might get 'em. its not like shrooms or acid, like waas stated above. more like dreaming. be in the dark too.

 

[MattPsy]

Well this tea i'm on now is quite a bit stronger than intended, I guess I should have tested it first as the seeds were from a new source... nevermind - anyway what i've come to say is i'm getting reasonably good concept cloud formation from it, the "visuals" are kinda like movies projected as aurora borealis, very fuzzy and plasma-like - maybe this is because the dose is too strong. Not as defined as i've had them before. I have some psychedelic ambient playing in the background, nice and relaxing - eyes closed, limbs totally relaxed. had some desloratadine to cut down on itches and act as cyp3a4 substrate, seems to have worked, yay.
anyway back to what I was doing.

 

[Ham-milton]

'concept cloud' 'mind movies' all this confusing jargon. Still, it makes more sense the the thread title.

I never found anything but meditation to help. But I've found that any dose of an opiate strong enough to feel is enough to allow me to acheive the state. The meditation has a huge impact, though, especially with these low dose/ low effect from the Suboxone (a little phenobarb really increases that though!).

I've never used desloratadine before, but I always use a combo of diphen or doxylamine and usually cimetidine, but lately I've started cutting out the cimetidine and adding 25-75mg of phenobarb.

 

[Bludda]

I notice them any time I'm able to feel my opiate. I noticed them way more from Poppy tea and (less so) Vicodin, but vicodin tended to give me a really great body experience, less of the visual one.

man, I tried poppy seed tea for the first time last night and I couldn't believe how tripped out it was. I actually came online here today to ask about it. poppy tea put me in such a weird state - like dreaming with my eyes open, familiar yet indescribable thoughts that melted away as soon as I tried to grasp them.

what is it about poppy seed tea that does this? i've never had this off plain morphine or oxycodone. are there other alkaloids in the seeds that do this?