Opiate questions pls

[RedbirdCran]

Not sure if right area to post thread or..

Sister is trying to taper/do bare minimum to get things under control until brave enough to kick/can get into MMT. I have 2 questions if anyone can help

- Sister tried dope first time (no IV) as an alternative to expensive Oxy. Insufflated seemed to be ineffective. It was Afgan brown power, and 0.25G over a day didn't do much. She was doing little match-head finger bumps over and over. Is this the wrong kind for that method of ingestion or something? She got somewhat well but no where near high like pills apparently.

- what would keep her minimum 'well' for longer: 10 x Oxy 80 or 1g of H (again, no IV)?

Thanks, go easy on me pls it's my first post :/

 

[shimazu]

how much oxy was she doing a day prior to this?

in mgs that is. And when you say afghan brown are you talking about something out of a little stamp?

 

[RedbirdCran]

She can 'get by' on 80-140mg a day of Oxy and be fine. Comfortable 'good' day would be 160 - 240mg Oxy

H didn't come in a stamp but it was described and sold as afgan H, was med to light brown power with very miniscule chunks that would break out fluffy when crushed. At first she was doing tiny rails (as you would coke) but after reading, started doing light bumps off of index finger gently inhaled to as to keep in nose membranes (not go all the way up and back into the throat). She has zero experience with H (has never even seen it before this)

 

[shimazu]

yeah with such a varied product as heroin I cant really give you any advice on it because it is such a dangerous drug if you arent sure of the quality but with an oxy tolerance that high you would need more than most people because you will have a cross tolerance to it from the oxy habit.

Also, trying to taper down with heroin is kind of an odd idea in and of itself. If it is all you have access to that is one thing but there are other products that are designed specifically for what you are looking for and much safer/easier to use.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

It is possible to taper down with heroin. It's not as easy as with, say, methadone or buprenorphine (Suboxone) or even oxycodone but its still possible. If you have access to scales you can taper her dosage down accurately (assuming the quality of the batch of heroin is the same, which is a pretty risky assumption to make).

 

[RedbirdCran]

yeah with such a varied product as heroin I cant really give you any advice on it because it is such a dangerous drug if you arent sure of the quality but with an oxy tolerance that high you would need more than most people because you will have a cross tolerance to it from the oxy habit.

Also, trying to taper down with heroin is kind of an odd idea in and of itself. If it is all you have access to that is one thing but there are other products that are designed specifically for what you are looking for and much safer/easier to use.

Thanks shimazu

From what she could tell, the H was good - it was used by other more experienced people who described it as solid product. She was told that (VERY roughly) 0.1 H is equiv to about an OXY 80, and the reason for using H instead of Oxy is that funds are also very low and the H is about half the cost (assuming that conversion is at least somewhat true). So her idea was to simply use little bumps of H to hold out until she can get into a methadone program (2-3 weeks). Is there something else you would suggest? She has access to most 'street' drugs.

So you would say that the reason for not feeling much from the H bumps is because of the large tolerance from Oxy? Is 0.25G of the H not very much for someone with that tolerance? Would smoking it be better? She doesn't IV

Thanks again for your replies..

It is possible to taper down with heroin. It's not as easy as with, say, methadone or buprenorphine (Suboxone) or even oxycodone but its still possible. If you have access to scales you can taper her dosage down accurately (assuming the quality of the batch of heroin is the same, which is a pretty risky assumption to make).

Well the other thing is that she has never done H before this. It is simply a last resort cheaper option now that in addition to getting on MMT in the next few weeks, the money is all but gone. So she had planned on chipping H enough to feel well just until the program admission comes.

 

[shimazu]

Im not trying to say it is a bad idea you just have to be careful because lets be honest if she is at an oxy tolerance that high she likes opiates and you are exposing her to one of the most infamous (deserved of that description or not is another debate) opiates known throughout the world. Its obviously too late now and I hope you can get through this time until the MMT begins but it is just something to be aware of. It sounds like you have somewhat easy access to it and that is one of the key catalysts to any drug addiction.

 

[RedbirdCran]

Im not trying to say it is a bad idea you just have to be careful because lets be honest if she is at an oxy tolerance that high she likes opiates and you are exposing her to one of the most infamous (deserved of that description or not is another debate) opiates known throughout the world. Its obviously too late now and I hope you can get through this time until the MMT begins but it is just something to be aware of. It sounds like you have somewhat easy access to it and that is one of the key catalysts to any drug addiction.

Well thankfully at this point, the H doesn't have appeal, like I said it didn't seem to do nearly as much as the Oxy. Oxy is definitely the preference, in other words. But I get that she could be 'playing with fire' introducing the H into the mix.

 

[oxyschottin]

To be honest IMO if she is planning on doing the minimum as an attempt to taper she probably will have to accept just getting by and not getting high. Espicially With a 200+ oxy ttolerance.

 

[pasha]

Tapering with heroin is improbable if not impossible. Due to the lack of standardization, heroin will always come at an anonymous potency, where as oxycodone won't, which will make it incredibly difficult to gauge the dose she's looking for. She may take one step forward by tapering down an increment, and another back with the same dosage on the next day from a different batch being as potent as the one she tapered from.

Heroin is also arguably much more addictive/euphoric than oxycodone, which will make it considerably harder to hold to an intended plan.

Both are not ideal if you want my opinion, but oxycodone is the better option of the two.

 

[Venrak]

^The only way this can be done to any degree of accuracy is to get a large amount(read: all you'll need to taper completely) at once, dissolve it in a solvent and evaporate to ensure a more even distribution. From here, without knowing the exact purity of the compound in question, one would be able to write up a taper plan, starting from the relative potency of the substance. One could even cut it to a concentration more suitable to a taper, making it easier to make the day by day calculations.