Only man is fit to be God.

[Gnostic Bishop]

I just read a quote of Nietzsche saying that "popular interpretation is just power and not truth". If there is no truth then where do we base our values on? Surely a wide interpretation of life. Which may be the only power God has.

The only one dead here is Nietzsche.

A wide interpretation of life!

All the prick ever does is kill humans. Nice God damned interpretation of how to deal with humans that.

You seem to like powerful Gods. Stockholm syndrome perhaps.

Regards
DL

 

[Shrooms00087]

I said a wide interpretation to life and you (and I will correct you here) replied:

'Life kills a lot of people. How do I deal with that.'

And no, I don't like "powerful Gods". A) Mine has no power, and doesn't even exist. B) Just the one no plural.

Stockholm syndrome? Perhaps. But I can conjure beauty out of life whereas you find it a syndrome. My interpretation has no power over you, carry on.

 

[paranoid android]

I just read a quote of Nietzsche saying that "popular interpretation is just power and not truth". If there is no truth then where do we base our values on? Surely a wide interpretation of life. Which may be the only power God has.

The only one dead here is Nietzsche.

Well there is no universal truth nor one universal set of values. What i may regard as truth or right or wrong you may totally disagree with. I think a persons values are shaped mostly by the world around them so it's more nurture then nature. God is hardly relevant in today's society.

 

[Shrooms00087]

Then we agree. Except on relevance. Just look at the amount of religious people we have. Clearly Nietzsche was wrong.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Well there is no universal truth nor one universal set of values. What i may regard as truth or right or wrong you may totally disagree with. I think a persons values are shaped mostly by the world around them so it's more nurture then nature. God is hardly relevant in today's society.

God is a mask we wear when we wish to show our hate. That is why the Abrahamic War Gods are so popular.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Then we agree. Except on relevance. Just look at the amount of religious people we have. Clearly Nietzsche was wrong.

There are very few religious people. There are many that are following tradition and culture and not Gods that they do not really believe in.



Regards
DL

 

[Shrooms00087]

You can't be argued against Bishop. Dawkin's would agree that there is no truth. I did not say that "a wide interpretation of life" would yield repeatable results? I said it would yield power in its interpretation.

One way of thinking is just as good as the other.
You are a result of a Big Bang which happened to be two Membranes colliding in some other dimension. Our universe will expand until it's inevitable heat death.

God did the above in 7 days. And promises to reclaim everything....Someday.

Personally I rather hear the inspirational story of surviving the rapture of birth only to be given the gift of science.

 

[Tromps]

Well there is no universal truth nor one universal set of values. What i may regard as truth or right or wrong you may totally disagree with. I think a persons values are shaped mostly by the world around them so it's more nurture then nature. God is hardly relevant in today's society.

Do you actually believe we determine what's true (on a universal level)? If what's true for you is true for you and what's true for me is true for me, what if my truth says your's is a lie? Is it still true? I'm not talking about opinion. I'm talking about Truth (that which is in accordance with fact or reality).

If all we are is the random result of a cosmic explosion, and there was no meaning or purpose behind the creation of the universe, then we don't really have a purpose or meaning. How then can we, a product of chance, a finite being, be the source of purpose and meaning?

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

We are what came from chaos and randomness. We are star stuff.

We can be the source of purpose and meaning but only for ourselves and what we can control.

Regards
DL

 

[paranoid android]

Then we agree. Except on relevance. Just look at the amount of religious people we have. Clearly Nietzsche was wrong.

I think you are mistaking a large amount of religious people for a small but loud group of people who are fanatics. The place i live in used to be a stronghold of the Catholic church up until the early 90's now religion is about as popular as the Norwalk virus. Overall atleast in the west i would say that religion is on the decline.

 

[swilow]

Do you actually believe we determine what's true (on a universal level)? If what's true for you is true for you and what's true for me is true for me, what if my truth says your's is a lie? Is it still true? I'm not talking about opinion. I'm talking about Truth (that which is in accordance with fact or reality).

Yes, but paranoid android is talking about subjective truths, what we call values or morality. Of course the subject is of paramount importance when considering that sort of truth.

The other truth, the objective truth does not even require definition, because it simply is and cannot be NOT. Thus, water is water, the quantity of electrons in an atom are always going to be the same, materials will shed neutrons at a steady predictable rate...

If all we are is the random result of a cosmic explosion, and there was no meaning or purpose behind the creation of the universe, then we don't really have a purpose or meaning. How then can we, a product of chance, a finite being, be the source of purpose and meaning?

If your using that to say that morality or truth must come from something external or higher then us, I feel that's a straw man argument. It is assuming that things must have purpose or meaning in the face of a huge cosmos that says otherwise. We have decided that certain things are right or wrong based on the way we have evolved.

But regarding the purpose of the universe; why should we even know or be able to comprehend this, if it does exist? The universe is not separate to us; we are just another part of it. And we don't seem to represent a truly special part either; this whole affair was happening long before we arrived and continue long after we go. We are not integral to the functioning of the universe and are simply another structure that has arisen. A star, a planet, a lone molecule off hydrogen do not try and seek function in the virtually infinite. We are no different, no more or less.

We are what came from chaos and randomness. We are star stuff.

We can be the source of purpose and meaning but only for ourselves and what we can control.

Regards
DL

Spot on

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Thanks.

Regards
DL

 

[Shrooms00087]

I think you are mistaking a large amount of religious people for a small but loud group of people who are fanatics. The place i live in used to be a stronghold of the Catholic church up until the early 90's now religion is about as popular as the Norwalk virus. Overall atleast in the west i would say that religion is on the decline.

Not even close:

PEW

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Shroom

What % are practicing and going to church?

It is quite low but since you are good with stats, I will let you find the number.

Regards
DL

 

[Shrooms00087]

Uh...That oddly specific and unrelated question is something I am going to let you find on your own. You seem to be in some sort of fury. I'll just let you do all your legwork.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Uh...That oddly specific and unrelated question is something I am going to let you find on your own. You seem to be in some sort of fury. I'll just let you do all your legwork.

Fury! Not at all.

I do have one example though in Finland where 95% claim to be Lutherans yet only 4 % go to church.
Time. 3.0



Regards
DL

 

[Shrooms00087]

Sorry I graduated from Rachamim Academy!

Videos will not do. Give me citations of data, of verifiable companies. Give me knowledge backed by knowledge!

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

You are way brighter than I so you can do it much better. I gave one good example.
You need more then go get it yourself.

Regards
DL

 

[Shrooms00087]

It's not my argument. I know, precisely, what my thinking is. Your oddly specific question has no bearing on the totality of what I was saying. Mainly that Paranoid was wrong at this current place in time.

 

[paranoid android]

Do you actually believe we determine what's true (on a universal level)? If what's true for you is true for you and what's true for me is true for me, what if my truth says your's is a lie? Is it still true? I'm not talking about opinion. I'm talking about Truth (that which is in accordance with fact or reality).

If all we are is the random result of a cosmic explosion, and there was no meaning or purpose behind the creation of the universe, then we don't really have a purpose or meaning. How then can we, a product of chance, a finite being, be the source of purpose and meaning?

No i just think there is no universal truth. The truth is written by the winners in history more or less. As for basic truths about the material surroundings we have that kind of goes without saying that that is the truth. Also i wouldn't say we are a product of chance so much as a product of human evolution more or less. As for our purpose well everyone has their own purpose for living don't they?