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Oneness?? A step fowards or backwards??

Although this theory of a whole>seperate>whole>seperate...etc cycle of human evolution sounds rather cool, but we've all failed to account for one thing.

How can this theory tie in with the life and the timespans of the Universe? I don't think the theory is solid anymore.

twas fun though!:D
 
The lifespan of a species is insignificant next to the lifespan of a solar system, or galaxy.
If the repeating cycle theory above is adhered to, the conditions of the environment during each cycle would be constantly changing as the Universe ages over so much more time. Those constant changes may mean that most of the time life is unsustainable, let alone intelligent life.
 
How can this theory tie in with the life and the timespans of the Universe? I don't think the theory is solid anymore.
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I think it relates perfectly???

The most common theory of the universe is simply that it started from the big bang and expanded...it will eventually contract and end in a singularity with the big crunch.

At a singularity... the start and beginning of our universe, the laws of physycs break down and decay into an infinitely small and dense point, the many become the one... which is the same place they came form in the first place.

It is life and death on the grandest scale.
 
On an infinitely long span of time, our reality may have already happened infinite amounts of times.
 
On an infinitely long span of time, this universe may have already existed infinite amounts of times.
 
punktuality said:

It is life and death on the grandest scale.
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So we're talking about everything and not just humans? Fair enough then. :)


yougene "On an infinitely long span of time, this universe may have already existed infinite amounts of times"

yougene "On an infinitely long span of time, our reality may have already happened infinite amounts of times. "


with infinity all possibilities are probabilities (I don't feel outrageous enough to say certainties ;))
 
So we're talking about everything and not just humans? Fair enough then.
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We are talking about humans but I think it has some relevance.... the universe has cycles and rules on all levels from univeral to planetary to celular to human. Who is to say conciousness is not any more suseptable to those rules than the planet on which our conciousness seems to reside.

We too often think of our conciousness as something sperate from the real world. But I believe that conciousness came from the same place that the "real world" came from, wether it be the big bang singularity or otherwise.

The universe expands and contracts
Gravity pulls things in and keeps things out
We speed up, we slow down.
Day turns into night and night turns to day.
We are born and then we die (and maybe born again)


why would our conciousness not be exposed to these same seemingly universal laws of cylicity (is that a word??)

Keeping that in mind that our minds have been bombarded with these cyclic patterns in nature from the very start of evolution. We know them intimately, they are programed in to our very core... I do not think it is too much of a stretch to say that our conciousness seeks to follow these same patterns...

the tricky part is working out wether our conciousness seeks an active achievable goal or if it is just an illusion created by these other observed cycles.
 
"the tricky part is working out wether our conciousness seeks an active achievable goal or if it is just an illusion created by these other observed cycles."

Illusion. We set these goals for ourselves. They don't set themselves for us.
 
you can train a mouse to climb a hill if you put cheese at the top.
With enough repetition of the message he will come to associate climbing with reward.

We have these programed cycles built into our minds which make the associations in our mind.

ie: Natures way is to find balance and so must my mind.

We act on what we know and all we really know is these cyclic laws of nature... So maybe we propell our conciousness based on this to a place we believe we can achieve an equilibrium like nature.

But how do we really know if there is any cheese at the top of the hill?
 
Oneness and enlightment are two different things. Oneness is simply feeling connected to everything, enlightment is a higher state of awarness. You dont just reach it and disapear into the universe and I do feel that we always have a natural growth towards it.
 
They may be different concepts but they are intertwined into each other.
 
Yeah it doesnt matter what philosophy or beliefs they are based upon, but ultimately we have a function within ourselves that allows for such states. My own experience with them shows that they are more real then anything else, reality kind of opens up and comes alive as awarness and understanding hightens. Theres nothing quiet like it.
 
agreed, But back to my original point...

Is the search for that:
- a step forward to place we havnt been
- a step backwards to a place that we have come from
- perhaps both???

I think I lean towards both. If you take on any theories that say that time is infinite, time is a loop, time is an illusion etc etc. then enlightenment has allready happened, will happen and is happening right now.

my head hurts
 
Ok the way I see it is this, as an unenlightened person you have an unlightened belief system. It's based on your experiences and other factors, but ultimately its based on your unenlightened view of the world. Once you reach a state of higher consciousness your previous belief system means little. You may have had the most complete, intelligent and openminded belief system that society and the human condition allows for but there is a distinct different between that and enlightment. Once you reach an enlightmened state you get a complete view of reality itself, a complete view allows for complete understanding so the first thing you'll probably do is laugh at how much weight you put on your previous belefs. An unenlightened belief system is much like that of a blind man and the view you get whilst in an enlightened state is way beyond anything you could possibly imagine. So basically there is nothing bad about enlightment. it offers nothing but benefits.
 
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Looks like fun to me.
 
one can argue with the thread starter that , we have not progressed to regression, in simplified terms or to the contrary either. The age of enlightenment is a human condition, at most for all we know. Before the symbolization and language structuralization movements of our species we too where less complex, but more intune with the simplicity of our function and the true natural environments that were about us at that time. This is also why it is said that all creatures are , or ought to be enlightened to the nature around them and their place in it.

I believe the removal of natural environments and the furtherment of technology, combined with programs of fearfull self governing control to maxamize productivity, will greatly reduce the likely hood of an enlightened race.

we believe that evolution is always progress, but what if evolution gives us stronger livers, hearts, lungs and bigger stomachs to endore the mechanisms of distraction and maximum productivity, while at the same time our arms and legs get smaller, our skin becomes translucent and our hair disapears as the need to survive natures elimates is gone.

we can call that progress, but it is progression into something that is far from our nature and sounds full of disatisfaction.
 
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