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Misc Oneirogens what are your experiences?

Vanilla_Incense

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A couple months back I first encountered oneirogens. I was at a girls place and couldn't sleep so I took one of her sleeping pills (Doxylamine). At first I experienced hypnagogic visions before I fell asleep. Then I had a crazy realistic af sex dream involving her and woke up in the morning needing about 20min to readjust to reality.

I had to research what oneirogens were to confirm I wasn't going crazy :LOL:.

What are your experiences with this class of drugs?
 
I have never used it, but confusion and hallucinations are listed as possible side effects.
 
What are your experiences with this class of drugs?

I had to look that word up and the wikipedia article I looked at listed all kinds of things as potentially falling into that category (amphetamines, opiates, scopolamine, dextromethorphan, and many others), which is pretty interesting.

In terms of the 'actual' oneirogens listed there, I've only tried calea zacatechichi and silene undulata. Unfortunately, I don't recall any effects from either.

What I have had vivid dreams from was instant kava powder. I've had kava many times and only a couple of times did it lead to vivid dreams, but those times were so.. ummm.. vivid that I still remember parts of them many, many years later. More than the imagery of the dreams, it the sense of a presence that was so unusual and memorable. I'm surprised kava isn't on the wikipedia list of 'potential oneirogens'.
 
I had to look that word up and the wikipedia article I looked at listed all kinds of things as potentially falling into that category (amphetamines, opiates, scopolamine, dextromethorphan, and many others), which is pretty interesting.

In terms of the 'actual' oneirogens listed there, I've only tried calea zacatechichi and silene undulata. Unfortunately, I don't recall any effects from either.

What I have had vivid dreams from was instant kava powder. I've had kava many times and only a couple of times did it lead to vivid dreams, but those times were so.. ummm.. vivid that I still remember parts of them many, many years later. More than the imagery of the dreams, it the sense of a presence that was so unusual and memorable. I'm surprised kava isn't on the wikipedia list of 'potential oneirogens'.
Yeh not surprised its not on there. All drugs affect different people in different ways and I think an affect that some drugs can have is dream potentiation (dreams become more vivid). As an example of this cannabis makes most people not have dreams but my brother has told me he tends to get fairly lucid dreams after smoking it. The fact you can remember the dreams many years later also doesn't surprise me. After I started doing psychedelics one of the long term effects I've experienced is getting lucid dreams every now and then (didn't used to get them). Lucid dreams almost feel as real as reality and the memory of them will definitely stay with you for life :).
 
Yeh not surprised its not on there. All drugs affect different people in different ways and I think an affect that some drugs can have is dream potentiation (dreams become more vivid). As an example of this cannabis makes most people not have dreams but my brother has told me he tends to get fairly lucid dreams after smoking it. The fact you can remember the dreams many years later also doesn't surprise me. After I started doing psychedelics one of the long term effects I've experienced is getting lucid dreams every now and then (didn't used to get them). Lucid dreams almost feel as real as reality and the memory of them will definitely stay with you for life :).
I get vivid or lucid dreams when o withdrawl from cannabis.

Cannabis itself kills REM sleep by 30% so it’s horobvle for dreaming.

Alcohol is pretty good because you get rebound REM in the morning.

Melatonin is good for vivid dreams.
 
Calea zacatechichi and galantamine are by far the most interesting oneirogens I've come across. Both have very different vibes as well, some people find galantamine mildly stimulating which I find peculiar as well. I have no idea how many times I've used either of the two, easily many hundreds or more since I was a teenager. They just amplify the vividness of your dreams, I'm not sure if they're more likely to induce lucidity in dreams or not as I only seem to experience dreams in a lucid state. Calea will make things kind of surprising and awe-inspiring, galantamine is more like salvia where I'll watch the image of a dead friend infinitely stepping around corners just out of sight like some fucked up refraction of a memory, or in a dream I watched my brother reach for a lighter and his arm stretched maybe 40-60' and went around numerous corners like he was Mr. Fantastic from the Fantastic Four. That shit doesn't happen without oneirogens in my experience.
 
For me there's a GABAergic that has oneirogenic qualities, a benzo in fact. Normally benzos are the opposite, no recolection, no lucidity, not at all interesting for dreams... but Diazepam.... I don't know, perhaps it's only myself but I do get some lucid dreams or very intense dreams quite easily with this substance, 10mg is enough, it's pretty sedating for me.
Calea has created strange sci-fi dreams but not lucid, very interesting indeed.
No luck with Silene Undulata (I think you need A LOT of this stuff for a long time to make it work)
Galantamine still no luck but I didn't take as intended (after 5-6 hours of sleeping properly)
Ashwagandha normally works, but it needs to be high quality powder, taken before sleeping and also 2-3 grams more after 5-6 hours.
Huperzine, increase recall and lucidity but doesn't work every day, has a very fast tolerance.
5-htp sometimes it has more dreams and longer, no change in lucidity.
Artemisia species, for me Annua works, similarly to Calea very odd and somewhat creepy and magical dreams with some mythical undertone and somtimes impending doom feeling (better than it sounds).
 
I find opioids to be fairly dream associated and a favorite of mine. The nod state is a dream within a dream.

There's also tobacco which I don't use often but does produce intense dreams.

I used to be prescribed hyoscyamine and that shit would give me nightmares almost guaranteed. Any of that class give me nightmares.

 
I find opioids to be fairly dream associated and a favorite of mine. The nod state is a dream within a dream.

There's also tobacco which I don't use often but does produce intense dreams.

I used to be prescribed hyoscyamine and that shit would give me nightmares almost guaranteed. Any of that class give me nightmares.


How do you use Nicotine? I guess you can use betel nut for dreams too. People say medium/high dosages of muscaria also creates crazy dreamscapes.
 
How do you use Nicotine? I guess you can use betel nut for dreams too. People say medium/high dosages of muscaria also creates crazy dreamscapes.
I just smoke pipe tobacco mostly. Very infrequently. The occasional cigar or cigarette. Always smoke, never vape or oral.
 
have you tried betel nut? I think it's a pretty nice substance, but the feeling you get it's a bit "confusing", it's like you seem more drunk than just on a nicotine like high...
I just smoke pipe tobacco mostly. Very infrequently. The occasional cigar or cigarette. Always smoke, never vape or oral.
 
have you tried betel nut? I think it's a pretty nice substance, but the feeling you get it's a bit "confusing", it's like you seem more drunk than just on a nicotine like high...
Have not. I get wild enough dreams from sobriety and the afore mentioned drugs that I haven’t really bothered looking into dream inducing drugs specifically.
 
I've experienced states where I nod off into a dream state for moments on deliriants or mdma. The experiences were indistinguishable with reality. I've found that mirtazapine, quetiapine, and risperidone all significantly increased the intensity and clarity of dreams. The experiences were chaotic and typically miserable. I didn't find that the drugs promoted lucid dreaming but did enhance lucid dreams.
 
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