• Select Your Topic Then Scroll Down
    Alcohol Bupe Benzos
    Cocaine Heroin Opioids
    RCs Stimulants Misc
    Harm Reduction All Topics Gabapentinoids
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums

Opioids Ondansetron for opiate withdrawal

cantquitopiates

Greenlighter
Joined
Nov 2, 2010
Messages
1
SWIM has been using various opiates (usually pst) for 5 years and this summer before his vacation he acquire zofran to manage withdrawal after reading that it blocks major withdrawal symptoms. Anyways after only taking like 3-4 4mg pills withdrawal passed without any sleeplessness and only minor discomfort. Have any of you had any success trying to quit your opiate/opioid habits this way? SWIM is trying to quit for good now and his usage is at an all time high so he's worried that it might really suck badly and going to rehab or to a doc to get suboxone is out of the question. SWIM needs to continue going to school and functioning normally because this is a really important year and withdrawal would really fuck shit up. Thanks
 
SWIM is not allowed on this forum and does not help you legally.

as far as your problem, if you are really serious about school and making it through you will go see a doctor and get on a maintenance program, no way around it.
 
I was actually just going to make this thread. I have been taking it for nausea the past few days pretty often on top of buprenorphine and have still been having physical withdrawal. Minor but I'm on day 12 after I ODed on fentanyl and this is day 11 of 8mg bupe. I read the other day that it is being researched for opioid dependency so I was going to make this thread. I have been takin 8mg 2-3 times a day and have noticed a drop in my cravings while my physical WD has stayed the same or slightly gotten better- sweating and minor hot and cold flashes, hot and cold flashes and sensitivity to temperature and minor trembling when I feel slightly cold. I did just find out another med I am taking causes bupe to metabolize faster which is why such a high dose hasn't gotten rid of my WD but it is getting kind of ridiculous so it must metabolize it a lot faster. The reduction in cravings is on top of all the bupe so I have no idea how effective it would be on its on and could very well be placebo it is so minor.

I have taken 16mg ondansetron today which is a high dose even for people getting chemotherapy so there is no fucking way in hell it would keep anyone off opioids on its own, I can guarantee that. Get on methadone or buperenorphine and get to some meetings or rehab or you will continue to use, the longer you delay it the worse it will get. You may not get as lucky as I did and survive two ODs and have family left to pay for your recovery.
 
SWIM is not allowed on this forum and does not help you legally.

as far as your problem, if you are really serious about school and making it through you will go see a doctor and get on a maintenance program, no way around it.

thats not really true...though it is a valid option, and i am on sub myself.....

taper

taper with bupe or done'

or just man up and do WD
 
^agreed.

Maintenance is an option but I don't think it should be considered the first or ONLY option.

Tapering with either maintenance drug is sufficient for a lot of people. Its really only people with long histories of opioid abuse with multiple failed attempts at quitting by other means who should consider maintenance... perhaps this includes the OP, perhaps it doesn't.
 
^ seems like great minds think alike Cane.......

you could do a taper with done' at 150mg

and for bupe you would need maybe 5 to 7 8mg tabs....
 
The guys names is cantquitopiates and his thread is about finding something to help him because he can't stop otherwise, all signs point to that he has had multiple failed attempts and would benefit from maintenance. Suggesting a taper or anything without going to meetings and or rehab to make a lifestyle change and address the underlying problems is just setting the guy up for failure. It sounds like the OP is afraid of telling his parents or them finding out he has a problem which is understandable and I have been there. They will find out eventually so you might as well tell them yourself. If you are really uncomfortable find a psychiatrist who prescribes bupe and tell your parents you are depressed, anxious, or can't focus in school and need help for that then tell the doctor about your drug problem, he can't legally tell them unless you sign a release form. Call the doctor before you go about your problem and make sure he will help you first. If you can't pay cash for the suboxone just tell them the charges are for antidepressants or anxiety meds.
 
Last edited:
^valid point....

the bottom line for recovery is, If you dont make an effort....nothing is going to change......

a taper and a plan can have high success......
 
Zofran will only help with the nausea, nothing else. Get some immodium, that will work much better.

On the contrary there may be something to where the OP is coming from, but it won't help with physical withdrawal like he is talking about, at least from my experience unless the opioid treatment doses were much higher than those indicated for nausea from my experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ondansetron

Opioid addiction
Researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine have demonstrated that ondansetron might be useful and effective for treating withdrawal symptoms of opioid addictions.[9] Unlike the existing treatments methadone and buprenorphine, it is not itself an opioid.[9] Additionally, it doesn't require continued supervision like treatment with clonidine.[9]
The original experiment used mice who were injected with increasing doses of morphine, assayed with naloxone and then underwent haplotypic analysis to isolate a gene candidate.[10] HTR3A which codes for the 5-HT3 receptor emerged as the primary candidate, which suggested 5-HT3 antagonist ondansetron as a possible treatment.[10] The researchers were then able to show using an acute morphine administration model the efficacy in withdrawal symptom control in humans.[10]
[edit]
 
lope is good for the shits...

ive never tried this crazy high doses tho....

ex. 60mg
 
The guys names is cantquitopiates and his thread is about finding something to help him because he can't stop otherwise, all signs point to that he has had multiple failed attempts and would benefit from maintenance. Suggesting a taper or anything without going to meetings and or rehab to make a lifestyle change and address the underlying problems is just setting the guy up for failure. It sounds like the OP is afraid of telling his parents or them finding out he has a problem which is understandable and I have been there. They will find out eventually so you might as well tell them yourself. If you are really uncomfortable find a psychiatrist who prescribes bupe and tell your parents you are depressed, anxious, or can't focus in school and need help for that then tell the doctor about your drug problem, he can't legally tell them unless you sign a release form. Call the doctor before you go about your problem and make sure he will help you first. If you can't pay cash for the suboxone just tell them the charges are for antidepressants or anxiety meds.

Excellent points but if the OP IS young, the name might be meaningless. I've come across a lot of young people who unintentionally exaggerate their dependence on opioids and other drugs and dramatize the situation believing their addiction is so bad and there is now way out when they haven't genuinely made any real efforts to change their lives.

If he does have a substantial use history and has been unable to quit then certainly maintenance may be a viable option and you're right, his best bet is a multidisciplinary approach utilizing necessary medications, formal treatment and support groups as well.
 
^ ya i dont really understand where this exaggeration on your drug use comes from...

since when was it cool to be an addict. did i miss the press conference?

only time that makes sense, but still doesnt help, is when you exaggerate at the doc's when getting done' or bupe.... i dont recommend this....it can just make your situation worse...
 
Actually the OP may be onto something, according to this it helps with all withdrawal symptoms at doses of 8mg which is about double what people are usually prescribed for nausea but not uncommon since I'm getting that dose. I have taken 16mg and soon it will be 24mg today and I still feel sick and even nauseous right now and I'm on a good deal of bupe too. The nausea after taking a dose a like an hour and a half ago leads me to believe tolerance builds very fast so I highly doubt this is effective for more than a day or two for anything. The test it talks about in humans was a one shot deal and I'm sure they have encountered this problem which is why they haven't published anything further or moved forward with it. like I said my cravings are less but I still have clamy hands with bupe.

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - After finding that the 5-HT3 receptor in the brain affects susceptibility to opioid dependence, scientists in California have demonstrated the efficacy of ondansetron, a 5-HT3 receptor antagonist, in reducing symptoms of opiate withdrawal in a mouse model and in humans.

"One dimension of addiction is physical dependence, which can be modeled in rodents," Dr. David J. Clark, at Stanford University in Palo Alto, and his associates explain in the journal Pharmacogenetics and Genomics, published online on February 17.

"The jumping behavior displayed by morphine-dependent mice after administration of naloxone, a potent opioid receptor antagonist, is a commonly used measure of physical dependence," they add.

Dr. Clark's group treated mice for 4 days with escalating doses of morphine, then administered naloxone, and counted how many times the animals jumped in 15 minutes as a measure of physical dependence. The mice were then euthanized, and DNA from brain sections was extracted for computational haplotype-based genetic mapping to identify genes affecting susceptibility to opioid dependence.

The Htr3a gene corresponding to the 5-HT3 (serotonin) receptor emerged as the leading candidate gene.

In further experiments, administration of the selective 5-HT3 receptor antagonist ondansetron significantly reduced naloxone-induced jumping in morphine-dependent mice, in a dose-dependent manner, the report indicates.

"In addition," the authors write, "simultaneous administration of ondansetron with each morphine dose during the 4-day protocol for establishing dependence diminished the naloxone-precipitated withdrawal response.

The researchers next conducted a human trial, in which eight healthy male volunteers were pretreated with placebo or ondansetron 8 mg before intravenous administration of morphine followed by naloxone. Seven of the eight subjects developed signs of opioid withdrawal.

Ondansetron pretreatment was associated with a significant decrease in mean Objective Opioid Withdrawal scale score (76%, p = 0.0313). The drug had a broad-spectrum effect in that it reduced all 12 physically observed signs of opioid withdrawal.

"Although a patient receiving chronic opioid medications may not develop addiction, the physical dependence, tolerance and hyperalgesia that can develop may … complicate ongoing patient management," Dr. Clark's group writes.

"Therefore," they conclude, "treatment with 5-HT3 antagonists may provide part of the solution to significant public health problems associated with opioid use."

Reference:
Pharmacogenet Genomics 2009
 
^ ya i dont really understand where this exaggeration on your drug use comes from...

since when was it cool to be an addict. did i miss the press conference?

only time that makes sense, but still doesnt help, is when you exaggerate at the doc's when getting done' or bupe.... i dont recommend this....it can just make your situation worse...

It's unintentional because they don't know better and think their life is over after they used for a few weeks and have to face withdrawal. I completely agree with him, I've seen it plenty of times and may have been guilty of this myself. It often turns into a serious problem though. Normal people don't use opiates for weeks.
 
^ ya i dont really understand where this exaggeration on your drug use comes from...

since when was it cool to be an addict. did i miss the press conference?

only time that makes sense, but still doesnt help, is when you exaggerate at the doc's when getting done' or bupe.... i dont recommend this....it can just make your situation worse...

From what I've seen in person as well as around here, I don't think its that they believe its COOL but I'm guessing due to yet-fully-developed limbic systems that skew that ability to make mature, rational decisions and consider long term consequences that they catastrophize and perhaps withdrawal from 50mg of hydrocodone IS the worst thing they've ever experience so their use/habit to them does seem worse than objective observers may deem it.

Obviously I'm generalizing and this won't apply to MOST people, its just a trend I've noticed in SOME young drug users, especially true of opioids.
 
^ wow, yet again your wisdom is well thought out, and stated brilliantly......

i had not thought of that....
 
^ tehehe


cantquitopiates, you would probably do best to just go through the withdrawals. Opiate addicts become terrified of them, and they are awful, but they aren't SO bad that they should keep you away from changing your life for the better. Take 15mg of immodium a day for a week after you quit your DOC and you will notice your WD's will be much less intense. And if this anti-nausea medication worked for you last time, take it again.


I was a young drug user (I'm guessing you are) just like yourself four years ago. A senior in highchool, wanted to keep it from my parents. So I got on suboxone and everything was fine....for awhile.

Now here I am, just having gotten off of suboxone after using it for four years. in the end it only delayed my progress, and getting off maintenance opaites is generally more difficult than getting off the other opiates as the wd's last far longer.

So I'd suggest you avoid suboxone and methadone at all costs and just try to quit. It's unpleasant, but every month you wait to quit, it will be just that much more difficult.

Good luck to you!
 
Top