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On self-reference, contradiction, and logic

David said:
^^You are so great right. Now who are you again? I'd like to speak with you profs about you.
His (and my) point about you jumping to the incorrect conclusion about people who attend Cambridge are still perfectly valid are they not? You said we don't know what its like to work, purely because we go to Cambridge. You complain I make assumptions about you, yet you do the same about us.

What exactly would you say to his tutor? That he thinks your theories aren't good? That he called you names? That he thinks your assumption that noone in Cambridge knows what its like to have a job was stupid and insulting? I doubt his tutor would even care he insulted someone on the internet. His tutor doesn't even do maths. If you emailed his Director of Studies (who does maths and is well versed in Dynamical Systems and basic Chaos Theory ;)) you'd have to explain your theory to him, and I imagine he'd give a similar (but politer) reply to us.
David said:
^^You are so great right. Now who are you again? I'd like to speak with you profs about you.
Have you not been saying such things for 12 months? A search for your posts in this forum will vindicate that.
David said:
The rest is tripe, and insular. Therefore not even worth mentioning. Go flamebait elsewhere.
I offer evidence that some of your comments are not true, and you decide to all it "tripe". Did you read the link I posted that explains why 1/0 is not a number? Its irrelevant of Boolean algebra, its a fact about The Field of Reals. If you wish to call one of the must fundamental facts about numbers "tripe" then I don't think you can claim to have great insite into numbers.

I've listed numerous errors with your mathematical comments. True, I could have worded them with slightly less emotion, but the underlying points are still relevant. If you've got any proof that 1/0 is a number, I'd like to see it.
 
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David said:
^^You are so great right. Now who are you again? I'd like to speak with you profs about you.
My name is Christopher Taylor. My tutor is Dr Tom Duke, Trinity College. My director of studies is Dr John Lister, Trinity College. You may also like to write to Douglas Kennedy, Senior Tutor, Trinity College, to complain about the nasty things I've said. I'm sure they'll take you very seriously indeed.
 
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Originally posted by AlphaNumeric
His (and my) point about you jumping to the incorrect conclusion about people who attend Cambridge are still perfectly valid are they not? You said we don't know what its like to work, purely because we go to Cambridge. You complain I make assumptions about you, yet you do the same about us.

Like being on that end of the attitude, don't you. 8) That was the first time I've done that, and I was returning the favor. You don't know me, and have not taken the time to. You started out right away with the attacks. I clammed up, because it's the smart thing to do. I sat here reading your posts, and saw all of the errors in your trains of thought on attacking me. I wanted to see who I was dealing with before I opened up to you. I see that you are intelligent, but not I don't think you are ready for me to open up to. Simply because of the attitude you displayed. BTW I get this shit everywhere, what makes you think you were the first to try to tell me I'm wrong, or full of shit. You are far from the first.

What exactly would you say to his tutor? That he thinks your theories aren't good? That he called you names? That he thinks your assumption that noone in Cambridge knows what its like to have a job was stupid and insulting? I doubt his tutor would even care he insulted someone on the internet.

LOL ok, thanks for taking it way too seriously. I wanted to know who he was, because he seems the most grounded, and the simple fact if he's American, makes it easier for me to get into a position of contacting him in person on this.

Have you not been saying such things for 12 months? A search for your posts in this forum will vindicate that.

Probably because I've been busy networking on the issues, don't jump in without getting wet first.

I offer evidence that some of your comments are not true, and you decide to all it "tripe". Did you read the link I posted that explains why 1/0 is not a number? Its irrelevant of Boolean algebra, its a fact about The Field of Reals. If you wish to call one of the must fundamental facts about numbers "tripe" then I don't think you can claim to have great insite into numbers.

What you offered isn't true. Maybe in the world of pure number theory it is, but in the rest of the world. Boolean logic dictates 1/0 is a valid operator, and thusly a valid number.

I've listed numerous errors with your mathematical comments. True, I could have worded them with slightly less emotion, but the underlying points are still relevant. If you've got any proof that 1/0 is a number, I'd like to see it.

No you haven't, and it's not my job to explain a boolean operator to you. That's something you should already understand. Blame your prof for not teaching you this, not me. Secondly blame yourself for not going out on your own to learn it.

I have nothing to do with the quality of your education here, it's all up to you to be motivated to go out, and see where the errors may lay, and if what they are teaching you is 100% accurate. I know, I do everyday, when I look at the glaring errors my prof in logic, and programming classes. I'm leaving the school because he has no idea what he is talking about most of the time, and I want someone with more experience, and a greater span of knowledge. Essentially I want someone that can answer any questions I throw at him. I'm not getting it where I'm at. The internet is where I go for most of my work, because programming is the most used topic on it. I've learned more on forums for programming than from my prof.

Expensive schools don't always mean better. I've met community college profs that knew more than my liberal studies school I'm going to now. This guy went to Berkeley for Comp Sci though.

:p
 
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David said:
and the simple fact he's American makes it easier for me to get into a position of contacting him in person on this.
Don't know where you got that from, Cex lives just outside London, and during term time about 4 minutes walk from me.
David said:
What you offered isn't true. Maybe in the world of pure number theory it is, but in the rest of the world. Boolean logic dictates 1/0 is a valid operator, and thusly a valid number.
Would you care to explain how? Boolean algbrea is about "true", "false", "not" etc. That doesn't define the Real Numbers. Besides, since when did Boolean algebra come into Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, any physics theory or pure mathematics theories. If you develop a theory about prime spirals, you cannot use 1/0. If you've redeveloped Relativity, you cannot use 1/0. Please tell me how Boolean algebra defines the whole of mathematics?

Saying "computers understand" isn't a valid reason. In a discussion about "Does 0.9r = 1" one person once said "Microsoft calculator says they aren't equal" as proof. Since when did Microsoft dictate mathematics? Similarly, 1/0 is not a number, neither is 2/0 or 3/0 or pi/0. Boolean Algebra is fine and dandy, but it didn't search as the basis for developing The Reals.

Boolean Algebra is about "True", "False". 0' is "Not False", which is 1. That is logic, not numbers. That is a different area of mathematics, and does not deal with The Reals, which is what is required when actually using quantities, and quantative theories.
David said:
This guy went to Berkeley for Comp Sci though.
Perhaps that explains why you keep mentioning Boolean algebra, a staple topic for Comp Sci. Are you developing a computer program or a theory about prime spirals/relativity. In the mathematically dodgy area of comp sci, you may consider 1/0 a number in some bastardized way, but if you use it in mathematics or physics, you'll be wrong.

Until we see your theories, we will not consider them of any worth. Without proof, no theory will every get any credit. You've set yourself the deadline, January 1st. I look forward to NYE :)
 
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^ I forgot the "if" on that statement. I've been up for a while now, and still have lots of work to do. I apoloigize for the confusion I may have created there.

I brought boolean up for a reason, but it won't be shown until you see the thesis statement, and the abstract. Which I will post here when it's published.

fuck it I'm going to bed. outs.
 
Can I just ask you a few quantitative questions on the areas you think you are well versed in? You have so far indicated that you have a lot of knowledge in QM, GR, Chaos Theory and now it seems I can add Logic and Number Fields to that list. So, below are a few standard questions, which anyone with some elemtary knowledge of these areas can answer:

Number Fields
1) Factorise the ideals [2], [3] and [2+√(-14)] in the ring of integers of Q(√-14). Find the ideal class group of the ring of integers of Q(√-14).

Logic
2) Why is the set of all propositions Countable?

Quantum Mechanics
3) Show that a particle of spin 1 cannot decay into two particles of spin 0.

General Relativity
4) What is R_{abcd} in 2-D de Sitter spacetime, and what is the corresponding Ricci Scalar?

Chaos
5) Show that the logistic map develops a stable and an unstable 3-cycle at mu = 1+√8.

Now, I've asked you a simple question about GR before, and you made a fool of yourself then (saying something along the lines that gradients don't interest you, although the question didn't contain anything about gradients - but involved covariant derivatives, which you clearly didn't even understand [a basic concept in GR, the area of physics you claim to be re-writing]). Now, I'm predicting you won't be able to answer any of my questions. One, because of a supreme lack of knowledge on your part. And two because you seem to posses the intelligence of a plank of wood.
 
I'm worried that you think I'm the most grounded person in this thread. I'm up there with the fairies most of the time, and I don't even take many drugs. Compared to you though, I'm positively earthbound.
 
Euler said:
Can I just ask you a few quantitative questions on the areas you think you are well versed in? You have so far indicated that you have a lot of knowledge in QM, GR, Chaos Theory and now it seems I can add Logic and Number Fields to that list. So, below are a few standard questions, which anyone with some elemtary knowledge of these areas can answer:

Number Fields
1) Factorise the ideals [2], [3] and [2+√(-14)] in the ring of integers of Q(√-14). Find the ideal class group of the ring of integers of Q(√-14).

Logic
2) Why is the set of all propositions Countable?

Quantum Mechanics
3) Show that a particle of spin 1 cannot decay into two particles of spin 0.

General Relativity
4) What is R_{abcd} in 2-D de Sitter spacetime, and what is the corresponding Ricci Scalar?

Chaos
5) Show that the logistic map develops a stable and an unstable 3-cycle at mu = 1+√8.

Now, I've asked you a simple question about GR before, and you made a fool of yourself then (saying something along the lines that gradients don't interest you, although the question didn't contain anything about gradients - but involved covariant derivatives, which you clearly didn't even understand [a basic concept in GR, the area of physics you claim to be re-writing]). Now, I'm predicting you won't be able to answer any of my questions. One, because of a supreme lack of knowledge on your part. And two because you seem to posses the intelligence of a plank of wood.
OK, I like to pick on David as much as anybody, but this is just degrading into lame dick-sizing. It would be nice to haved a single post related to math/physics where people don't feel the need to immediately defend (or just plain show off) their credentials.
 
compact said:
OK, I like to pick on David as much as anybody, but this is just degrading into lame dick-sizing. It would be nice to haved a single post related to math/physics where people don't feel the need to immediately defend (or just plain show off) their credentials.
Excuse me? This has nothing to do with "mathematical dick-sizing". I don't claim to be able to answer all (even any) of the above questions - but someone of David's self-proclaimed calibre should have no problems.

The fact that he won't be able to do any of them is yet another indication that his "supposed" knowledge in these areas is not what he makes it out to be.
 
I enjoyed watching the debates with David for a while, but now it's just getting old.

I quote Euler from another thread:
"Also it is rather classless, untelligent and rude to speak to others about their lacking. I am sorry for being rude by even bring this up, but I think people who act like this should realize their offense and correct it. It once again does nothing to the argument. And if you think that going down to someone's level of namecalling is superior think again it only shows how childish you are."
 
David said:
Lying is your strongest suit these days isn't it.
I point you to this post from November, where you and I had a vaguely civil discussion about black holes over in EDD. Notice after you quote a large post of mine, you thank me for being polite. However, its obvious to see I had doubts about some of your claims then, though kept it civil. Much of the points raised in this thread about your claims were raised in that thread but in a more relaxed manner. Unfortunately its been 5 months now, and it seems nothing has moved on from there, hence why myself and some others have lost patience.
compact said:
It would be nice to haved a single post related to math/physics where people don't feel the need to immediately defend (or just plain show off) their credentials.
In a vague reverse of dick-sizing, I'll admit I haven't got the slightly clue how to do questions 1, 2 and 5. Question 3 I should know but I've forgotten :(

I just noticed I seem to type enormous posts in threads like this....
 
I'll work this thread when I can hopefully this weekend. I have to help my sister move today, and I have to move myself tomorrow. I have to throw mud all weekend and on Monday. I'll be back next week to work it, if you think I forgot about it, pm me.
 
why thanks (if you're refering to my work).
for some reason, the "not p"s in my essay are now appearing as "p"s...which would make things confusing, no?

ebola
 
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