So I'm on methadone and still getting high.if I just have my methadone I'm good physically but if I only have dope no methadone I feel like shit. Is it possible to have a double addiction to two different opiates? Also I want to want to get clean my clinic says I should go up on my dose but I'm already at 135mg. I don't know I keep thinking I'm never gonna get clean a long as I'm on methadone, my dopesick safety net. But then I think I can't stay clean without it. Keeping in mind I do have long bouts of clean time on methadone never get past 3mo. Without. But I've been on methadone steady for 5 yrs now.please help!
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Heroin On methadone and still doing dope
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aguythatlikessmoke
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methadone and heroin have different chemical structures. Chemically they are similiar but also quite distinct, I would say morphine has a structure that only varies a tad bit from that of Heroin. Methadone doesn't have a strong a high as Heroine. It is maintenance dosage to keep you going through the day. I think you need to quit Dope Heroine and you need to increase your Methadone dosage for some time and then afterwards slowly taper your methadone dosage, keep going lower.
Have you thought of any other ways to treat this heroine addiction?
Perhaps Ibogaine.
Have you thought of any other ways to treat this heroine addiction?
Perhaps Ibogaine.
aguythatlikessmoke
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dude maybe you are hooked on both if you feel like that. Heroine is so powerful. U need medical help man.
I've never heard of ibogaine? Yes I've tried soboxine.not sure how to spell that.but it didn't help at all the doctor that prescribed it said my dope habit was to high for it to work to get on methadone and when I got to a low dose of 30mg or less then the saboxone would work but at 30mg I would still be sooooo sick.I've also have done several rehabs. I have done the whole 12 step program and recovery home/halfway house.I've figured I havnt wanted it enough.cause the 12 step I liked and I think would work if iw was ready the problem is I love getting high its that gonna change? Or is that the curse of addiction? To want and like to get high and staying clean anyway?
Can you be addicted to multiple opioids/opiates? Sure. Most heroin addicts are addicted to opiates in general, but will prefer some over others, and also might like some more than heroin (a lot of people do) but choose heroin due to price and availabilitly.
I'm surprised you are still able to get high on heroin without the 135mg of methadone blocking it.
The problem with maintenance drugs, as you have found out, is that they give you a safety net to be able to continue using without having to face the withdrawals. At least when you aren't on maintenance drugs you will get sick to the point of hopefully hitting your rock bottom and deciding to detox, but when you can use methadone to not get sick and heroin to get high, then it's hard to push yourself to get clean since you aren't experiencing the bad withdrawals that cause people to quit.
Will increasing your dose help? I would have thought that your current dose would be blocking heroin, so I don't know if higher doses will help block it more. It may help with cravings, but you have to take this decision very seriously. If you increase your dose, you are going to be on methadone for a very long time. If you are OK with that, then it may be worth it. If you are hoping to get clean for a while and then taper off of the methadone, then increasing your dose is not a good idea. You also have to realized that you can't just get on methadone and expect it to be a miracle drug that eliminates any cravings, and keeps you clean. It is merely a "tool" used to help you get clean, and you need to supplement it with other aspects of recovery such as outpatient meetings, or individual therapy, and doing healthy activities and hobbies in your free time.
Does your clinic offer split dosing? Maybe dosing 2x a day will fill the void of that dose of heroin that you usually take. I would look into that before increasing your dose.
I'm surprised you are still able to get high on heroin without the 135mg of methadone blocking it.
The problem with maintenance drugs, as you have found out, is that they give you a safety net to be able to continue using without having to face the withdrawals. At least when you aren't on maintenance drugs you will get sick to the point of hopefully hitting your rock bottom and deciding to detox, but when you can use methadone to not get sick and heroin to get high, then it's hard to push yourself to get clean since you aren't experiencing the bad withdrawals that cause people to quit.
Will increasing your dose help? I would have thought that your current dose would be blocking heroin, so I don't know if higher doses will help block it more. It may help with cravings, but you have to take this decision very seriously. If you increase your dose, you are going to be on methadone for a very long time. If you are OK with that, then it may be worth it. If you are hoping to get clean for a while and then taper off of the methadone, then increasing your dose is not a good idea. You also have to realized that you can't just get on methadone and expect it to be a miracle drug that eliminates any cravings, and keeps you clean. It is merely a "tool" used to help you get clean, and you need to supplement it with other aspects of recovery such as outpatient meetings, or individual therapy, and doing healthy activities and hobbies in your free time.
Does your clinic offer split dosing? Maybe dosing 2x a day will fill the void of that dose of heroin that you usually take. I would look into that before increasing your dose.
135 used to be a blocking dose but isn't anymore.I wish they did split doseing. I've stole well snuck my methadone out of the clinic and split it one weekend when I had to babysit and didn't want to nod if I sat still but needed my methadone to last all day.but if I get caught doing it I get kicked out. I'm just gonna have to work harder at it. My dope gets deliverd to me so I don't have to go to the spot anymore either so I've put myself in the situation where I've just made out to easy and eliminated my cons. 12 step meetings here I come.
Google it, or just check out its wikipedia page.
It's a psychedelic drug that is used in the treatment of addiction. A doctor doses you for a few days, you go a little crazy for a few days, hallucinating and what not, then in the end you come out of it not wanting to get high. That's just a short version of it.
spunkitteh
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yeah, when i was on 'done i always had a double habit...well really more like triple/quadruple and even quintuple at some points (methadone, black, benzos, barbs and methamp). most people i've met at clinics still shoot dope at least some of the time. i've never gone above 130mg but my experience has been that there's really no such thing as a dose you can't shoot through. good luck, seriously. being strung out on high-dose methadone plus other shit is a constant struggle. and god help you if you get busted or otherwise lose access to the drugs.
Yeah that is why I stay in chicago.cook co.jail has a methadone clinic in the jail.they will put you on a21 day detox if your already on methadone when you get arrested. But I do have misdemeanor warrents in indiana they won't extradite across state lines for them but my family is in indiana so that's one of the reasons I NEED to get clean gotta take care of these warrants they are already 7yrs old.
there is no such thing as a fix all addiction cure.that is the one thing about addiction that I know for a fact but this looks like its worth a look at least. Now I've heard several things about passports can afelon get a passport? And I probably def. Can't with warrants huh?
ErgicMergic
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I'm not too sure about Ibogaine, it seems promising, but has a very strange trip and mechanism of action, there's too much hype around it without enough research, imo.
If you're not in too bad of a mental state, as far as extreme depression or anxiety, I would recommend a good, old fashioned LSD trip to assess where your life is going, why you're even using at the moment, and why you're using dope on top of methadone despite wanting to get clean (the psychological aspect of it, not the obvious physical dependence on the combination).
Even if you have depression or anxiety, the methadone should force good vibes throughout your trip, and you can skip out on the dope shot until you feel like you absolutely need it. There's nothing like feeling opioid withdrawal on LSD, it makes you 10000% in tune with your body so you can understand every little aspect of it, and it will make you question your addictions and any personal conflicts.
It's worth a shot, imo, you really don't have many other options as far as maintenance, using methadone and IV dope, even if you raise your methadone dose, you might still use IV dope and dig yourself in to a deeper hole. It's up to you to decide if you're ready to look inside yourself; just be warned, you might not like what you see, but it might be something that needs to be seen to move on with your life.
If you're not in too bad of a mental state, as far as extreme depression or anxiety, I would recommend a good, old fashioned LSD trip to assess where your life is going, why you're even using at the moment, and why you're using dope on top of methadone despite wanting to get clean (the psychological aspect of it, not the obvious physical dependence on the combination).
Even if you have depression or anxiety, the methadone should force good vibes throughout your trip, and you can skip out on the dope shot until you feel like you absolutely need it. There's nothing like feeling opioid withdrawal on LSD, it makes you 10000% in tune with your body so you can understand every little aspect of it, and it will make you question your addictions and any personal conflicts.
It's worth a shot, imo, you really don't have many other options as far as maintenance, using methadone and IV dope, even if you raise your methadone dose, you might still use IV dope and dig yourself in to a deeper hole. It's up to you to decide if you're ready to look inside yourself; just be warned, you might not like what you see, but it might be something that needs to be seen to move on with your life.
I agree. The only added benefit that Ibogaine seems to have over other psychedelics is how it works on detoxing someone. The reports seem to be that Ibogaine kinda resets the body as well as the mind, but I would need to see more research to back it up before suggesting it to people.
ErgicMergic
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There is no such thing as a "bad trip," simply a trip with difficult undertones. Most of that difficulty comes from the tripper trying to ignore thoughts that arise during the trip. Psychedelics are thinking drugs, they will make you think about every little aspect of yourself, and when thoughts come up that you can usually ignore with sobriety, heroin, or other drugs, you mustn't ignore them on LSD.
You need to deal with personal conflicts that arise during LSD head on, think of ways to solve them (these are much easier to see on psychedelics than sober), learn something about yourself and resolve that personal conflict, then move on with your trip. You need an open mind, LSD isn't some magic drug that does all the work for you, it is simply a tool for you to explore yourself through introspection, and come out learning something new about yourself after every trip.
No one is perfect, you need to realize this on LSD, and instead of trying to ignore your faults and conflicts, which is impossible to do on psychedelics, use it as a tool to improve yourself mentally and physically.
You need to deal with personal conflicts that arise during LSD head on, think of ways to solve them (these are much easier to see on psychedelics than sober), learn something about yourself and resolve that personal conflict, then move on with your trip. You need an open mind, LSD isn't some magic drug that does all the work for you, it is simply a tool for you to explore yourself through introspection, and come out learning something new about yourself after every trip.
No one is perfect, you need to realize this on LSD, and instead of trying to ignore your faults and conflicts, which is impossible to do on psychedelics, use it as a tool to improve yourself mentally and physically.
ErgicMergic
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Yes, that is the absolute best setting for an introspective, therapeutic LSD trip. Be free of all other people, since you need to guide this trip yourself and learn about yourself.
LSD can be extremely fun, I was surprised at how intensely euphoric it was during the trip, but don't think of this is as a recreational high, but rather as a rebirth: a system reboot, then a reprogramming of your thought patterns, if you will.
LSD can be extremely fun, I was surprised at how intensely euphoric it was during the trip, but don't think of this is as a recreational high, but rather as a rebirth: a system reboot, then a reprogramming of your thought patterns, if you will.