mal3volent
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Xorkoth
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Indeed it is...
To everyone scared about access to the best health care, what do you think about offering a public option as well as a private option? Ie, don't take away what people hve if they have good health coverage already, but also give anyone who doesn't a public healthcare system? This is what Britain does, iirc. To me this is the best option, as not only would everyone have the basic human right of being able to get health care, the two systems would also compete with each other, and competition leads to better prices. Right now the insurance companies dictate the prices which is why we have such insanely high health care costs.
Personally I would keep my health insurance, I have great health care and since it's through my work I only pay 20% so it's quite affordable. But no one should go into lifelong debt because of an accident or illness. No one should go to the ICU for a week and end up with a quarter million dollars in debt. No one should be forced to pay out the ass for lifesaving medication. It's barbaric.
To everyone scared about access to the best health care, what do you think about offering a public option as well as a private option? Ie, don't take away what people hve if they have good health coverage already, but also give anyone who doesn't a public healthcare system? This is what Britain does, iirc. To me this is the best option, as not only would everyone have the basic human right of being able to get health care, the two systems would also compete with each other, and competition leads to better prices. Right now the insurance companies dictate the prices which is why we have such insanely high health care costs.
Personally I would keep my health insurance, I have great health care and since it's through my work I only pay 20% so it's quite affordable. But no one should go into lifelong debt because of an accident or illness. No one should go to the ICU for a week and end up with a quarter million dollars in debt. No one should be forced to pay out the ass for lifesaving medication. It's barbaric.
Shady's Fox
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Never have I ever been threatened to be killed for my sexuality: BEFORE NOON TODAY ONLY EDITION
She's so beautiful.
I had to lol on seeing this in the Guardian last week. I couldn't help wondering if the vaginal city would contain a lot of, uh, holes...
mal3volent
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Captain.Heroin
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TheLoveBandit
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From Dictionary.com:
racist [ rey-sist ]
noun
a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
adjective
of or like racists or racism:racist policies; racist attitudes.
which leads us to review:
racism [ rey-siz-uh m ]
noun
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Alternatively, from wikipedia:
Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.[1][2][3][4] It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity.[2][3] Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different races are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.[2][3][5]
The response to which is "Black Lives Matter" doesn't mean other lives don't matter (from their own site):
We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.
We are working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise.
We affirm our humanity, our contributions to this society, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression.
and
Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.
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Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported.
We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.
We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.
We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.
We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.
We see ourselves as part of the global Black family, and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black people who exist in different parts of the world.
We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.
We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.
We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.
We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.
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Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported.
We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.
We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.
We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.
We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.
We see ourselves as part of the global Black family, and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black people who exist in different parts of the world.
We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.
We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.
We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.
We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.
[there is more]
And yet, by definition they are focused solely on a portion of the population based on skin color. If you aren't black, they aren't for you. Is that, by definition, not racist? To exclude others, to focus on and promote a group of people based upon skin color....that is not racist?
The comeback of "BLM doesn't mean other lives don't matter" has what response in the real world when anyone dares counter with "All Lives Matter"? I can think of one recent episode that ended deadly, and can think of zero that weren't confrontational. I would venture that anyone approaching a BLM protester to make this statement is in fact instigating and trying to provoke such a response, but it is forcing the acknowledgement that despite saying "BLM doesn't mean other lives don't matter" the reality is BLM doesn't care about other lives. They simply don't.
To put a simple litmus test to it, swap out 'Black' with 'White' and ask if it is racist. What response does anyone get for such a proposal? "White Lives Matter!" Nobody said they don't, but making such a statement is racist? While I abhor white supremacists and their ilk, what is to stop them from mimicking every effort of BLM with a "WhiteLM" effort? Where is the difference in words or actions? THAT is where we have to view BLM as racist, because anything they say or do, if coming from a WHITE perspective would be taken as racist. If from an Asian, or Middle Eastern, or whatever demographic, the message would be less impactful, but just as racist, would it not?
it's interesting that this image chose to specifically focus on commutations only. plenary power granted by article ii, section 2 empowers the president to pardon, commute and rescind. if you look at the totals, the numbers are:
While it needs acknowledging that Trump only has 3.5y into his first term, there's no catching up with Obama. Even with all the questionable people Trump associates with.
trump: 36
obama: 1927
gw bush: 200
clinton: 459
overall the picture doesn't change but they obviously focused on commutations to try to get trump's (and gw's) numbers as low as possible?
presidents tend to exercise this power in a flurry towards the end of the their terms so it will be interesting to revisit this after trump has completed his time in office.
and, if obama's numbers are high, so what right? is he at fault for using the tools available to him? if he has things to do and a tool is available, i can see any president using it until it's taken away
alasdair
TheLoveBandit
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I'm not sure what the black guy with the American flag is meant to represent.
If a BLM, then it's a hilarious image as they are burning American flags at this point.
If a regular citizen, then it doesn't make sense either, because the cops never stopped supporting America.
Is it meant to be a BLM using it as a red cape to taunt the bull cop? I'm not getting this one.
^ wow, really?
you believe that the governor is responsible for the ~23,000 deaths in new york state?
alasdair
you believe that the governor is responsible for the ~23,000 deaths in new york state?
alasdair
TheLoveBandit
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No. But I'll ask "How many do you expect Trump to get blamed for? And who carries more responsibility in the NY deaths?"
i think that osama bin laden's 2001 attack was an attack on all americans.
i think using it as a tool to blame a democratic governor for coronavirus deaths is pretty low
alasdair
i think using it as a tool to blame a democratic governor for coronavirus deaths is pretty low
alasdair
TheLoveBandit
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Ali, it's a meme. Take it as seriously as you wish. I posted it, but I didn't expect a debate about it.
Simple questions if you really want to discuss it. First, answer the questions I just posted:
If you care to answer those questions, fine. If not, fine, I respect your decision. However, I'm not going to extend this discussion any further as I don't see a meme warranting it. You can have the last word, answer the questions or not, whatever.
Simple questions if you really want to discuss it. First, answer the questions I just posted:
- Do you expect Trump to face accusations of responsibility for Covid deaths? If so, how many?
- Who carries the majority of responsibility for the Covid deaths in any state - the President, or the Governor?
- Specific to Bin Laden, how many New Yorkers died in the 9/11 attack? How many have died of Covid to date?
If you care to answer those questions, fine. If not, fine, I respect your decision. However, I'm not going to extend this discussion any further as I don't see a meme warranting it. You can have the last word, answer the questions or not, whatever.
Bagseed
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discussing the merits of a claim stated by a meme might be futile, but I guess when claims are either false, dumb, racist, sexist, or lacking of any kind of wit, as most of the memes you post are, some words of critisism are pretty appropriate...
for example: all of the "AOC is dumb" are pretty misogynistic and at the same time so stupid and lame that you, seemingly a smart guy, should reflect a bit on why you think that these bullshit memes are even funny.
also expecting no debate on memes is pretty weird since these are political memes in a forum about discussing politics. especially when many memes are political propaganda in disguise.
for example: all of the "AOC is dumb" are pretty misogynistic and at the same time so stupid and lame that you, seemingly a smart guy, should reflect a bit on why you think that these bullshit memes are even funny.
also expecting no debate on memes is pretty weird since these are political memes in a forum about discussing politics. especially when many memes are political propaganda in disguise.
if there's to be no discussion of memes that's fine. i just get a mixed messages being told memes are not to be discussed then seeing meme discussion by others including you. it makes it hard to navigate.
i guess i'm just missing the hilarity of that particular meme... (which is also fine).
thanks.
alasdair
i guess i'm just missing the hilarity of that particular meme... (which is also fine).
thanks.
alasdair
Captain.Heroin
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I think he's responsible for a small fraction of them.
Trump is de facto responsible for 100% of them for not closing borders and POE.
mal3volent
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The general rule is discussion is okay as long as it is brief. If more thorough discussion is needed , you can take it to the appropriate thread. And the comments need to relate to the meme itself rather than an overarching topic.
But let's get back on track.
But let's get back on track.
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Captain.Heroin
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Well then, my good sir
, you are not watching international news as thoroughly as I am. The tone deaf Pelosi ice cream stream during the height (or rather, beginning) of the pandemic, her embezzling PPP money (alongside SEVERAL Republican senators doing the SAME thing...) and NYC/NY response being terrible for spiking covid-19 deaths is VERY much so on the table for active debate.
Many left leaning ideologues are defending their actions, with concise, carefully stated logical points. Some of us (liberal, conservative, or other.... ie. me as a Libertarian) were SEVERLY concerned with sending covid-19 POSITIVE nursing home patients BACK to the same nursing home = clearly this is going to spread the disease and death among a HIGHLY at-risk group = terrible.
Just fucking awful.