Opioids Off sub, back to hydro
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I don't know why you would want to but it's a matter of waiting out the time of the dose and so worth.
So current suboxone dose would help
And hydrocodone dose you want to use.
So current suboxone dose would help
And hydrocodone dose you want to use.
Current sub dose is 24mg per day +-
Wpuld try for 10 hydro.
I knowmit soumds crazy!! Im only wantimg to do.it for the energy and focus the hydro gave me. These subs tend to "down" me. Whe i tool hydros before it helped my energy level, i was in a better mood..just happy.
Wpuld try for 10 hydro.
I knowmit soumds crazy!! Im only wantimg to do.it for the energy and focus the hydro gave me. These subs tend to "down" me. Whe i tool hydros before it helped my energy level, i was in a better mood..just happy.
Shoot, well after my first reply I just did a quick search and Luke, wait for it..
2mg buprenorphine = 80mg hydrocodone
So going from that fudge brah. I'm a bit lost at words.
Why the high dose?
2mg buprenorphine = 80mg hydrocodone
So going from that fudge brah. I'm a bit lost at words.
Why the high dose?
^^^ Firstly I have never ever known why a dosage above 16mg bupre is ever needed ( but also I say that as we don't have fentanyl and tranquilizers on the street ) and even when adm8n that high a dose they normally get you down to 8mg super quickly and stabilize you there and work you down from there.
So personally I would first focus on tapering down safely and take it from there.
Side note. Pure bupre aka subutex, the one without nalaxone aka suboxone doesn't make you tired and actually can have a speedy effect at low dosages
So personally I would first focus on tapering down safely and take it from there.
Side note. Pure bupre aka subutex, the one without nalaxone aka suboxone doesn't make you tired and actually can have a speedy effect at low dosages
Then, heck, maybe I'm just on top high of a dose.!! I have noticed when I take less than prescribed I do feel better. Then come Dr day I have to double and take and take to get my levels up to satisfy the doc. It has to be 1000 or higher in my system. I usually enjoy a half strip 3x a day.
Maybe I'm just taking too much. I've noticed I do feel better when I do take less than prescribed.
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I would imagine going back to Hydrocodone would be extremely difficult and a significant amount of time needs to pass before trying a weaker opiate/opioid.
Well. Thank.you all for all your replies!
I found out that I was just uneducated in making this decision.!
I was just taking too much of sub. It was basically "knocking me out". I've started lowering my dose. I must say I do feel better at a lower dose. Thankful for that!! That was my problem. I just didnt wanna get up nor move nor walk nor nothing! Lol. I was so depressed because I just was so so unhappy and wondering why I felt so shifty ALL the time. I remembered I use to get up earlier than normal just to take my meds because I knew it would put me in a good mood.! I'm not telling yall something yall don't already know!! Wink 
So, again, thank yall for taking the time to reply to me and my problem. Thank yall for the info and the help.
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I was at the same dose as you (even 28mg for a time) for 8 months and I felt just as you, lethargic, depressed and didn't enjoy a single thing. I did a super quick taper (over 4.5 months, im now at 1mg. I dont recommend that quick of a taper if you dont have comfort meds and time off work some days ), which has been really hard, but I feel so much better for every dose lowering, it's like a high in a way. I've gotten so many feelings back, my connection to people and enjoyment of life is back and growing bigger every day. I'm even dreaming again!
There's tons of info on here about tapering hopefully you'll find that once your on a low dose you don't even want other opiates. Wishing you all the best on your journey @just*me
There's tons of info on here about tapering hopefully you'll find that once your on a low dose you don't even want other opiates. Wishing you all the best on your journey @just*me
Like I have mentioned before, the lower the dose of bupre, the more speedy it was for me.
When I was on bupre and my lowest dose, 300mcg x2 a day. When it come to night dose I would take my bupre at 5-6pm cause any later and sleep will be less. 300mcg-500mcg insuffalated kept me awake from 200mg dopaquel and 10mg diazepam. If taken close or around bedtime meds.
When I was on bupre and my lowest dose, 300mcg x2 a day. When it come to night dose I would take my bupre at 5-6pm cause any later and sleep will be less. 300mcg-500mcg insuffalated kept me awake from 200mg dopaquel and 10mg diazepam. If taken close or around bedtime meds.
That's ... a lot. Holy shit.
No wonder you were out of it. I'm just kind of amazed that you (or anybody) would be put on a dose like that. It's a good thing that you've figured it out and got the dose adjusted, because 24mg of sub a day would jack your tolerance up to a point where you'd need a boatload of hydrocodone to feel anything.
How does something like that (daily 24mg sub prescription) even come about? Did the prescribing doc misread something?!
Good to hear you're feeling better. Take care.
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8mg buprenorphine equals 240 MME. 24mg of tablets is 960mg of oral Morphine. The film is considered stronger. I wonder if the patient is in pain management for cancer pain or is a MAT patient.
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If it is 24 mgs for the big C pain management
the prescribers should burn in hell
(if there is one)
the prescribers should burn in hell
(if there is one)
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Especially since bupe is one of the few opioids I know of linked strongly to being a powerful carcinogen
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MAT treatment doctors must be paid for pushing this and/or deeply misinformed.
I had bo idea about the ceiling effect or anything when I got on it from heroin. Just chased a high that was never possible to achieve due to the partial opiate receptor thing, and my doctor let me get up to 28 mg (32 if I wanted!!)
And im not in the US im in Northert europe. It's horrible how they get to prescribed those doses.
And the worst part is that most of the people on my clinic are not there by there own will, they are forced by social services, most are not in charge of their own dosages, what kind of medicine they should take etc. It's quite depressing actually. Buprenorphine is so over prescribed
I had bo idea about the ceiling effect or anything when I got on it from heroin. Just chased a high that was never possible to achieve due to the partial opiate receptor thing, and my doctor let me get up to 28 mg (32 if I wanted!!)
And im not in the US im in Northert europe. It's horrible how they get to prescribed those doses.
And the worst part is that most of the people on my clinic are not there by there own will, they are forced by social services, most are not in charge of their own dosages, what kind of medicine they should take etc. It's quite depressing actually. Buprenorphine is so over prescribed
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Source??? That's insane I had no idea
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I am all about someone being treated fairly and accordingly to address pain issues and for MAT. However both routes of treatment need to have their own limits and both need to find a therapeutic baseline as quick as possible. Increasing dosages rapidly does to allow a doctor to accurately gauge a treatment plan.
The approach to pain management is treating the patient's pain and allowing room to grow & allowing room to treat acute pain and breakthrough pain. The idea of treating pain 80-100% free is not realistic. The brain needs fluctuation on the mu, kappa, and Delta receptors in order to truly manage chronic pain. The opioid buffet approach wears out fast and the patient is left with medicine that does not work.
The approach to treating OUD is similar to pain management but their are misconceptions I believe are created at the MAT clinic. Patients dealing with chronic pain, cancer pain, and chronic pain syndrome get different effects from the narcotics compared to many MAT patients. When the brain is "not on guard" from the absence of consistent pain, narcotics have more euphoria and side effects. The MAT clinic does not educated patients on MME and are not efficient in developing an understanding of how much narcotic is needed to control physical dependency.
Being overly sympathetic and increasing dosages for "urge control" or not being in the state of 100% happiness, is not helping the patient. Even in pain management, the patients desire for more narcotic, we are sick & tired of chronic pain, our bodies & minds never feel up to par, and basically fall in line with OUD because of dependency and feeding the brain's never-ending reward seeking.
The approach to pain management is treating the patient's pain and allowing room to grow & allowing room to treat acute pain and breakthrough pain. The idea of treating pain 80-100% free is not realistic. The brain needs fluctuation on the mu, kappa, and Delta receptors in order to truly manage chronic pain. The opioid buffet approach wears out fast and the patient is left with medicine that does not work.
The approach to treating OUD is similar to pain management but their are misconceptions I believe are created at the MAT clinic. Patients dealing with chronic pain, cancer pain, and chronic pain syndrome get different effects from the narcotics compared to many MAT patients. When the brain is "not on guard" from the absence of consistent pain, narcotics have more euphoria and side effects. The MAT clinic does not educated patients on MME and are not efficient in developing an understanding of how much narcotic is needed to control physical dependency.
Being overly sympathetic and increasing dosages for "urge control" or not being in the state of 100% happiness, is not helping the patient. Even in pain management, the patients desire for more narcotic, we are sick & tired of chronic pain, our bodies & minds never feel up to par, and basically fall in line with OUD because of dependency and feeding the brain's never-ending reward seeking.