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Heroin od question

q1022

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For background's sake, I've been iving for a little over a year. My tolerance has noticeably increased over the past 2-3 months - my usage has gone up frequency wise (still not everyday...but getting there) and the amount I do as well (but that's also because of fluctuations in the quality of product available). I typically do anywhere from 2-4 stamps depending upon expected potency and how long it's been since I used. I never do more than 2 bags to start off with. The stamps I get tend to be pretty good, and on occasion really really good, but they're always better than everything else around. But I have a good understanding of how much I can do and would rather patiently wait a good 30 min to an hour after a dose to gauge how much more I want to do if needed.

Yesterday I got some bags of some supposedly good stuff. Me and the person I was with both started out with two bags. We have comparable tolerances at the moment, though they have been doing it longer. I've gotten dozens of different stamps from this dealer and know what to expect from him. I had 2 different stamps and decided to do one of each, expecting one to be more cut than the other...a fair assumption. My friend did two of the same really good stamps. Within 5 minutes of shooting I was out. I don't really remember much other than the rush came on slow and gradually kept building and I was like staring at the ceiling fan saying like yeah, wow, very good. Then I just zoned out and could no longer hear him to talking to me. Next thing I know Im suddenly conscious and he's telling me I just ODed and I stopped breathing and my lips were blue - very scary stuff. Luckily we had a vile of Naloxone lying around - which isn't normal for us to just have on hand...but we did. He had to IV me twice...the first got me breathing and the second made me conscious. This all went down in a period of 2-4 minutes and might've actually been faster than waiting for an ambulance if we didn't have the Naloxone. Real glad I didn't have to go to the ER cause I'd be majorly screwed - your parents hate to find out what you actually do in your spare time, but they super hate it when they find out via a trip to the hospital.

But what I'm having difficulty understanding is why/how did I OD? My friend, like a I said, has a tolerance very similar to mine. I know this because we do the same shit and do it together. He did 2 bags and was fine..after I was breathing and conscious he did another one and was still fine. I wondered if maybe the other stamp I did was cut with something that caused me to OD in conjunction with the other bag. He did one to find out for himself (we have Naloxone still, we're not that dumb) and was fine...it wasn't very good dope either, which is what I originally thought. I was kind of out of it when I was getting my shot ready, but I don't recall an alarming amount of powder in the spoon. The stamps were two different colors, and the really good stuff was a darker grey...I remember noticing a significant more of the grey dope, but not an insane amount. I was mostly pleased cause the other bag was a little light. I was not on any drugs at all. I mean I had taken like 1000mgs of Naproxen and my prescribed 40mgs of Adderall IR way earlier - nothing alarming. I mean yeah I got drunk the night before..but this was almost 20 hours later. I had maybe 1 1/2 beers over the span of 2 hours prior to the shot. Again, nothing alarming. I just don't understand how it happened. I wondered if maybe it was this weird my body chemistry sucks with whatever is in this dope. I did a bag of the same stuff a few hours ago. I know this is dumb, but shooting heroin is in and of itself dumb...I was just super curious. I did it with caution just to be sure. Even with the Naloxone lowering my tolerance I didn't get that high. If the bag I did was some sort of fluke and was way purer than it should've been, I can't imagine it causing me OD unless the entire contents of the bag wasn't cut. Or is it likely that it wasn't uniformly cut and was just the right amount of potency to cause me to OD with whatever the other bag was cut with? Any thoughts on what exactly happened? Enlighten me please - I'd like to fully understand what went wrong as to avoid it in the future.
 
you cant avoid oding because stamps arent all the same. Im talking even the same stamp can be slightly different then the same stamp next to it if it was cut improperly.

Nobody does heroin for the consistency like pharms have, it's just cheap and hits the fastest.

Be safe man, hopefully you realize how quickly things can go south now. Id buy your friend a beer or something
 
Yea def buy him a berr sounds like he saved your life. Could have been poorly cut like shimazu said. Its a street drug never know whatg you are getting. Say 3 of the 4 stamps were 30% and you got a 70% (it happens not often but it can) that would be like doing a 4 bag shot essentially. Thanks god for narcan is all i can say on this one.
 
the difference between a great nod and oding has got to be one of the slimmest tightropes known to man.
 
Even scarier is sometimes dealers will on purpose make a virtually uncut bag and stamp it doa or something and once ppl start droppin dead from it, then everyone wants doa but by then its been cut up a bunch but still has the buzz that yo that doa is that fire nikka! Pretty sick if you ask me but the whole dope game is sick.
 
I never have done heroin and dont plan on it however you should do a small bump of each stamp to gauge the potency, heroin is a dirty drug and you never know what you are exactly getting
 
Even scarier is sometimes dealers will on purpose make a virtually uncut bag and stamp it doa or something and once ppl start droppin dead from it, then everyone wants doa but by then its been cut up a bunch but still has the buzz that yo that doa is that fire nikka! Pretty sick if you ask me but the whole dope game is sick.

that was one of my cardinal rules when buying dope: everybody says they have the best shit. And its even worse than weed dealers because at least with weed you can tell just by looking at it how good it is. When the stuff is packed into little wax baggies the size of postage stamp its a bit trickier.
 
there's a lot more to it than your tolerance. like shimazu said the bags can be different, one could be 70mg while the other is only 55. when making bricks people rarely scale out each bag. in addition some of the bags could have been sitting around longer than others losing potency, some could even be from different batches of raw heroin.

some of the things that play a role in whether someone od's or not are how much you slept the night before, body weight/muscle mass, personal metabolism, how much you've had to eat, how hydrated you are, if you have other drugs in your system (took a benadryl in the morning for allergies, smoked pot, etc), how effectively you prepared the drug if you i.v.'d it, whether one of you missed a couple units of the shot, if your snorting how stuffy your nose is or even small anatomical differences can make a big difference, some people even say your setting can make a difference as in whether or not you are in a familiar place where you've gotten high before. one of you could have a different reaction to the cut.

so nothing about the effects of heroin are cut and dry. just like the two of you have different fingerprints, you both react differently to different drugs. you should be thankful only one of you overdosed so your friend was able to give you the shot, and also for the fact that you had narcan on you. in the future learn from this experience and keep an eye out for the warning signs you felt before you od'd. I would also recommend doing your shots spaced out from eachother, that way if one of you od's the other one will be capable of reacting. if you do your shot and then your friend waits 30 minutes before he does his, or one of you only starts out with a half dose and then tops up after it's clear that it's not a hot shot your chances of avoiding overdosing are much higher.
 
that was one of my cardinal rules when buying dope: everybody says they have the best shit. And its even worse than weed dealers because at least with weed you can tell just by looking at it how good it is. When the stuff is packed into little wax baggies the size of postage stamp its a bit trickier.

Tester shots=saved lives.
 
Tester shots=saved lives.

^This. Start with a small test shot every time in order to gauge the effects.

As for how 2 people with similar general tolerance can do dope from the same supplier and one ODs while the other is fine, that happens all the time. As others mentioned there is so much variability between bags and there are so many other factors at play that can affect things. Even 2 people with similar tolerance splitting the exact same dope from the same bag can have very different reactions. Even the same person can do the same quantity they used without problem the day before and OD. Always err on the side of caution with dosing. Better to not chase the highest high possible than die.

One interesting factor that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is location. If you are in an unfamiliar location you are more likely to OD. Something to do with conditioning modulating drug tolerance. Pretty amazing.
 
Snorting is wasting IMO. And when you IV you want the rush and doing a smidge won't do anything and is a waste of a sharp and doesn't reveal anything about the dope...you didn't do enough lol. There are way dirtier drugs though bth is some nasty shit.
 
Yeah - that would be the logical thing to do but junkies are not patient lol. I hadn't had shit to eat that day, but doing heroin on an empty stomach typically makes me puke and then I eat and then puke and repeat a few more times. I felt really off all day cause I drank the night before and my brain was functioning slower, but nothing abnormal for me. We actually only had the narcan cause we were going to dilute it a shit ton to lower our tolerances. Good thing we hadn't yet lol.
 
I've had experienced the "different environment" thing a first hand. Never ODed thank god but definitely caught a way better high when when fixing in an unfamiliar & uncomfortable place. I remember the one time I was so sick I had to fix at a Mcbathroom. Probably the closet I've ever been to ODing. My friend had to come get me up & walk me back out to the car cause I couldn't myself. But the more I thought about what happened the more I thought it was a combo of factors that got me. Definitely being in a unfamiliar place had some to do with it but I remember there being a really dark chunk in the bag. I remember thinking it was cut but afterwards I think it might have been a chunk of dope that didn't get mixed to well with the cut. With street drugs anything is possible so IMO your experience is not out of the ordinary by any means.
 
Bless your cotton socks you guys had narcan on hand - which should be freely available from all exchanges imo- and your frend had the required experience to administer and the wits about him.

Anyhthing else i have to say is just repeating all the above. So stay safe!
 
I've had experienced the "different environment" thing a first hand. Never ODed thank god but definitely caught a way better high when when fixing in an unfamiliar & uncomfortable place. I remember the one time I was so sick I had to fix at a Mcbathroom. Probably the closet I've ever been to ODing. My friend had to come get me up & walk me back out to the car cause I couldn't myself. But the more I thought about what happened the more I thought it was a combo of factors that got me. Definitely being in a unfamiliar place had some to do with it but I remember there being a really dark chunk in the bag. I remember thinking it was cut but afterwards I think it might have been a chunk of dope that didn't get mixed to well with the cut. With street drugs anything is possible so IMO your experience is not out of the ordinary by any means.

shit dude, almost died in a McDonald's bathroom

if I worked there and came in to that I'd probably be like

"guess he should have gotten his meal to go"

or something snarky like that

then I'd feel bad and probably ask for a raise and emotional counseling aka script of benzos
 
shit dude, almost died in a McDonald's bathroom

if I worked there and came in to that I'd probably be like

"guess he should have gotten his meal to go"

or something snarky like that

then I'd feel bad and probably ask for a raise and emotional counseling aka script of benzos

Yup. I've flopped in a Mcdon's bathroom once too. Hah.
 
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