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^It's great you've got that kind of support.

trip & smoke
...thanks so much for the encouragement but I'm ashamed to say I relapsed on heroin :(
I hardly even know why...I suddenly felt incredibly unstable, got really freaked out I was getting a manic episode from my anti-depressants, took some benzos which didn't calm me down at all and the next best option obviously seemed like gear....fuck. Back to square 1 :( :(
 
Pagey, I think you are going to be fine. I went from using disgusting amounts of stims and psychs on a daily basis to the point of non-functioning, to cutting back, to quitting, then a couple of relapses, and now I'm at 63 days of sobriety. If I relapse again (IF) it'll be back to square one on the count, but not on my progress. The big picture is a shining success story, just like yours is becoming.
 
Okay, I'll try to see it that way...it really just feels like such a failure though. But you're right, in the end this is all still big progress I guess...thanks <3
 
^It's great you've got that kind of support.

trip & smoke
...thanks so much for the encouragement but I'm ashamed to say I relapsed on heroin :(
I hardly even know why...I suddenly felt incredibly unstable, got really freaked out I was getting a manic episode from my anti-depressants, took some benzos which didn't calm me down at all and the next best option obviously seemed like gear....fuck. Back to square 1 :( :(
dont beat your self up.. it does no good and promotes use.. you are not back at square one, you have all that clean time.. please use this as a lesson, what do you need to do to prevent this from happening again.. and please dont shoot your H if you are going to relapse, try and use it another way.. by far the vast majority of my friends that OD did it after a break or on a relapse.. just way to easy to OD.. You haven't lost anything page you are doing great<3 this shit is hard.. maybe need to include some support you can call when it gets crazy next time.. please look at the cycle of addiction.. it is good to identify were we are at ao we can figure out what we need to do to promote a peaceful existence.



  • 1 Short-term gratification
    [*]2 Long-term pain
    [*]3 Addictive thinking
    [*]4 Increased tolerance
    [*]5 Loss of control
    [*]6 Bio-psycho-social damage


1 SHORT-TERM GRATIFICATION: First there is short-term gratification. You feel good NOW. There is a strong short-term gain that causes you to assume the drug or behavior is good for you.

2 LONG-TERM PAIN AND DYSFUNCTION: The short-term gratification is eventually followed by long-term pain. This pain, part of which is from physical withdrawal, and part of which is from the inability to cope psycho-socially without drugs/alcohol, is the direct consequence of using the addictive chemical/s.

3 ADDICTIVE THINKING: The long-term pain and dysfunction trigger addictive thinking. Addictive thinking begins with obsession and compulsion. Obsession is a continuous thinking about the positive effects of using alcohol and drugs. Compulsion is an irrational urge or craving to use the drug to get the positive effect even though you know it will hurt you in the long run. This leads to denial and rationalization in order to allow continued use. Denial is the inability to recognize there is a problem. Rationalization is blaming other situations and people for problems rather than drug use.

4 INCREASED TOLERANCE: Without your being aware that it is happening, more and more of the drug is required to produce the same effect.

5 LOSS OF CONTROL: The obsession and compulsion become so strong that you cannot think about anything else. Your feelings and emotions become distorted by the compulsion. You become stressed and uncomfortable until finally the urge to use is so strong that you cannot resist it. Once you use the addictive chemicals or the addictive behaviors again, the cycle starts all over.

6 BIO-PSYCHO-SOCIAL DAMAGE: Eventually there is damage to the health of your body (physical health), mind (psychological health), and relationships with other people (social health). As pain and stress get worse, the compulsion to use the addictive drugs or behaviors to get relief from the pain increases. A deadly trap develops. You need addictive use in order to feel good. When you use addictively you damage yourself physically, psychologically, and socially. This damage increases your pain which increases your need for addictive use.






The Cycle of Addiction Is Characterized By:
Recovery Connections characteristics of the addiction cycle


  • Frustration and internal pain that leads to anxiety and a demand for relief of these symptoms
  • Fantasizing about using alcohol and drugs or behaviors to relieve the uncomfortable symptoms
  • Obsessing about using drugs and alcohol and how his or her life will be after the use of substances
  • Engaging in the addictive activity, such as using substances to gain relief (acting out)
  • Losing control over the behavior
  • Developing feelings of remorse, guilt and shame, which lead to feelings of dissatisfaction
  • Making a promise or resolve to oneself to stop the behavior or substance use
  • After a period of time, the pain returns, and the addict begins to experience the fantasies of using substances again.
This cycle can rotate on a variable basis. For example, binge users rotate through this cycle more slowly. Daily users may rotate through the cycle of addiction daily or several times throughout the day. This cycle can be arrested at any point after the addict or alcoholic makes a decision or is forced to get help. Sometimes, the consequences that arise (legal, financial, medical or social) force the addict or alcoholic to stop using. However, in the absence of outside help, such as alcohol or drug detox followed by addiction treatment help, the substance abuse or addictive behavior is likely to return.


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Thanks nsa, that was a very helpful post. Fuck I really don't want to go back to that life, I know this is going to ruin me but sometimes it just feels stronger than me. I just don't understand how this happened after 36 days, during most of which I really felt great about being off gear.
Looking at that cycle, I think I'm at about 3 right now. But I've been at 6 and that's the last place in the world I ever want to return to :\

I think my main problem is I've got absolutely zero real-life support...none of my friends have a clue about my drug use. My boyfriend does but he's never been through anything remotely similar so he really doesn't manage to empathise or be properly supportive at all...really feels like I'm alone in fighting this and that just seems so fucking overwhelming.
I mean I dunno...like I feel like I've let you down NSA cuz you've been helping me out with this so much for quite a while, same with stardust, and everyone in this thread really...aaah. I just wish I had someone I could call or see when I felt like relapsing like this. I dunno.

But that was a really helpful post. Thank you so much as always <3
 
Dont be silly.. you didn't let me or yourself or any one down.. throw that guilt and shame out the fucking window of a moving vehicle and dont look back until you have left it far behind.. your doing great.. if this shit was a walk in the park we wouldn't as addicts have to band together and support on another.. ever been to a meeting?

Burton may be into setting up a little network as well??

Check your PM.


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Just realized I've been spending all my time in TDS and not paying attention to SL. Just been having a hard time lately and mostly posting TDS related material.

How's everybody been doing over here? Still sober I hope!

162 days here. went to an awesome meeting today. Stay strong everybody! <3
 
Day 64 :)

Today is a wonderful day, my boyfriends mother moved out, not saying I won't miss her terribly--I love the woman, but I get to spend my first day in my own house entirely to myself and my love! Oh and our 3 dogs and her Papillon Wanda who is now our doggy for the time being. So much cleaning and organizing and things to be done to make this house mine OCD approved =D!

No time to comment individually right now guys (I know you're all doing fantastic anyways) but I wouldn't be where I'm at today if it wasn't for all of your support! Keep it going guys! <3 <3
 
@ Spork- Indeed it is. Thanks you <3

@ Pagey- That's how i relapsed at day 6. got free oxy. now i don't middle man for a quick buck lol. good job and keep it going. <3

@ Stardust.hero- In response to the iphone thing. Yeah, you can block numbers but you have to wanna not call them as well cuz they are stored in your settings. i even got a new i phone cuz i broke my old one in a fit of rage due to having only a few days clean and being very frustrated, anyways, i got a neweone and changed my number and all the blocked numbers were still there. so i guess you should just change your number and unblock those numbers and delete so you dont have to see them. i just did that right now.

Thank you so much for the reply about my slip up. that really IS what i needed to hear, just some reassurance that the world is not over. <3

i feel damn good today. its going on day 3 of no alcohol, tommorrow is day 1 of no weed but it should have been today. found a little nug in a cig pack and smoked a rip and got a rip for before bed but thats a big decline from my usual sessions so tommorrow is day 1. and the icing on the cake.. today is day 15 no opiates
i got a piss test friday for the sub program and then i should be ready to submit my paper worl and get on the 3 week, possibly more or less long waiting list. but i got 24 8mgs for right now and can get more from my sister whenever, i just gotta make a 3 hour trip to baltimore.

anyways, good job everyone! keep up the good work!

:) The world isn't over until you stop trying <3, and you haven't so keep it up ;). Today is day 15 and 3? Right? Good stuff right there <3

I told my girlfriend about my relapse (stole adderall from her friend at a party). She was hurt, especially because I hid it from her for three weeks. She started going to al-anon meetings, which is rad. She's a keeper.

Oh yeah, def. a keeper ;). If she was hurt you kept it from her try to be honest and try to explain how you are feeling to her. It sounds like she just wants to be there to help you and she's going through measures to find out how to best support you (i.e.;going to alanon).

^It's great you've got that kind of support.

trip & smoke
...thanks so much for the encouragement but I'm ashamed to say I relapsed on heroin :(
I hardly even know why...I suddenly felt incredibly unstable, got really freaked out I was getting a manic episode from my anti-depressants, took some benzos which didn't calm me down at all and the next best option obviously seemed like gear....fuck. Back to square 1 :( :(

Pagey, I think you are going to be fine. I went from using disgusting amounts of stims and psychs on a daily basis to the point of non-functioning, to cutting back, to quitting, then a couple of relapses, and now I'm at 63 days of sobriety. If I relapse again (IF) it'll be back to square one on the count, but not on my progress. The big picture is a shining success story, just like yours is becoming.

Re: Pagey, just like JAG said, in the grand scheme of things, this was a minor bump in the road. You're actively seeking recovery which is most important. You're here posting with the rest of us, giving and reciving support and eventually you'll make it far enough that the time and the resistance is stronger than the craving, hell girl, you made it 36 days. That is a LONG time. Just try for longer next time of course ;).

If you re getting manic episodes which was the cause of this, perhaps see a medical professional to address it and possibly stabalize you, or put on better meds, that way you will have one less thing that triggers you into using.

And JAG, you've been doing phenomenal yourself! Such amazing time and amazing advice coming from you. <3 I wish I could recognize you more than a little comment on how inspirational and supportive you are in this thread. It honestly wouldn't be the same without you. Your contributions are golden <3.

NSA I'd quote you but my post would be a mile long if I did so I'm just replying :P <3. I read that entire thing and I think any addict can agree with the cycle, it makes a lot of sense. It's helpful to see that in organized visual form.

Anyways Day 65

Happy days guys <3 Keep it strong for today! We're approaching the end of the month we gotta end this one with some good numbers ;).

(god damn I feel like I sound like my old sales manager 8( lets end the day with good numbers (as in lots of sales/money))

But srsly. Lets do it ;) <3
 
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I'll have 11 months tomorrow. If I can be of any help, please feel free to shoot me a PM or post in this thread. Staying clean isn't easy, but it is doable. Here to help, wherever possible. Thanks.

-Matt
 
@ star.dust- thanks. I got 15 and 3 days but today starts 16 and 4. Feels good.

Also, no. It's not over till I say its over. I'm gonna keep on keepin on. I'm gonna hit my first meeting tonight in a while.
 
Re: Pagey, just like JAG said, in the grand scheme of things, this was a minor bump in the road. You're actively seeking recovery which is most important. You're here posting with the rest of us, giving and reciving support and eventually you'll make it far enough that the time and the resistance is stronger than the craving, hell girl, you made it 36 days. That is a LONG time. Just try for longer next time of course ;).

If you re getting manic episodes which was the cause of this, perhaps see a medical professional to address it and possibly stabalize you, or put on better meds, that way you will have one less thing that triggers you into using.

Thanks stardust :) just gotta keep remembering slip-ups are par for the course and I can't expect myself to quit everything perfectly from one day to the next. Still disappointing but I guess 36 days is much better than anything I'd ever done before so it's still big progress and stuff.
The 'good' thing about using again is that it reminded me why I quit in the first place. Spent all of yesterday with a massive opiate hangover, didn't want to speak to anyone, was in an awful mood etc...it's certainly no real kind of life.

But yeah, I'm trying to get a quick appointment with my psychiatrist because I don't think this would have happened without the weird sudden mania. Hopefully he'll be able to help.
Cheers for the support <3

Anyway...day 2 :\

Love and congrats to everyone on here <3
 
I'll have 11 months tomorrow. If I can be of any help, please feel free to shoot me a PM or post in this thread. Staying clean isn't easy, but it is doable. Here to help, wherever possible. Thanks.

-Matt

Congrats man, that's literally 1 month away from a year. You certainly have some street cred. there ;). Thanks for offering support <3 It means a lot.

@ star.dust- thanks. I got 15 and 3 days but today starts 16 and 4. Feels good.

Also, no. It's not over till I say its over. I'm gonna keep on keepin on. I'm gonna hit my first meeting tonight in a while.

My bad, I shorted you. Even better ;)

Hit me up! I am 3 days no suboxone. Have even gone through gnarly withdrawal but that didn't stop me.

Dude, that's a big step for you getting off subs, <3 Don't let anything stop you. Congrats on taking the next step!

Thanks stardust :) just gotta keep remembering slip-ups are par for the course and I can't expect myself to quit everything perfectly from one day to the next. Still disappointing but I guess 36 days is much better than anything I'd ever done before so it's still big progress and stuff.
The 'good' thing about using again is that it reminded me why I quit in the first place. Spent all of yesterday with a massive opiate hangover, didn't want to speak to anyone, was in an awful mood etc...it's certainly no real kind of life.

But yeah, I'm trying to get a quick appointment with my psychiatrist because I don't think this would have happened without the weird sudden mania. Hopefully he'll be able to help.
Cheers for the support <3

Anyway...day 2 :\

Love and congrats to everyone on here <3

Don't get too overconfident that it's part of the process (it kind of is for most people but don't let it be a reason of course ;)). Goodluck with your psych <3.

Anyway...day 2 :)

Fix'd

Nice work Captain.. nice work sir=D Fight, fight, fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeeee ;) <3
 
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Still sober.

Coming up on a new personal best of 2 months next week. My best stint so far is 1 day under 2 months. Looking forward to it.
 
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