NY prohibits smoking by people fighting addictions

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NY prohibits smoking by people fighting addictions
Valerie Bauman
The AP
7.22.08



ALBANY, N.Y. - Many drug addicts, problem gamblers and alcoholics will find it harder to kick their habits in New York than anywhere else in the country now that smoking will be banned in all public and private recovery centers.

For some, taking away the tobacco crutch could be just enough to keep them from getting clean and sober, or from trying at all.

New York's 13 state-run addiction treatment centers have been tobacco free for more than 10 years. New regulations that take effect Thursday will apply to all treatment centers _ which has some facilities worried that people who need help for drugs and alcohol won't pursue it because they aren't ready to quit smoking.

Bryan Lapsker, a 21-year-old PCP addict from Brooklyn who has been getting help for his addiction at a treatment center in Queens for nearly nine months, has been dreading the change every day.

"Nicotine helps (addicts) get through the day," he said. "Now you take the nicotine away from us, it's almost impossible to get through the day ... addiction is addiction, I understand that, but nicotine is a legal substance."

Legal or not, state officials behind the new rules believe banning tobacco is critical to successful treatment programs.

"Often times smoking was given as a reward in the day-to-day treatment programs, and we need to make sure that we're changing the culture to really promote an overall recovery plan that involves health and wellness for the optimal chance for recovery," said Karen Carpenter-Palumbo, the commissioner of the New York Office of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Services.

In New York, an average of 18.2 percent of the public smokes, but 92 percent of the chemically dependent population smokes, she said.

Addicts are more likely to have long-term success if they quit smoking at the same time they enter treatment, Carpenter-Palumbo said.

An $8 million grant from the New York Department of Health will help train employees to deal with treating nicotine dependence and provide free nicotine replacements.

Providers say that's a start, but it won't pay for everything the mandate requires.

If people leave treatment because of the new rules it could create "an economic crisis for the field," said John Coppola, executive director of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Providers.

Treatment facilities will have a six month grace period during which tobacco use won't be a factor in whether their certification is renewed. They will also be able to develop their own plans to become tobacco free and decide at what point an addict would have to leave for violating the rules.

Robert Doherty, the executive director at St. Peter's Addiction Recovery Center in Albany, said the new regulations are more fair to facilities that have already prohibited smoking in the interest of their patients.

St. Peters took that step in May 2006, and Doherty said the facility has had minimal problems since the change.

"I think it's a more healthy approach to providing care, it's a more useful approach to treating addiction ... it just seems to be a responsible thing to do," he said.

Roy Kearse is the vice president of residential services at Samaritan Village, the Queens-based long-term treatment facility where Lapsker and other addicts from around the state get treatment at multiple locations.

While Kearse supports the idea of eliminating tobacco use among addicts, he is concerned the zero-tolerance policy could discourage some who would otherwise seek help through treatment.

"We don't know how many people will leave, if any at all will leave," Kearse said. "But we did have patients who said 'I didn't come in here to deal with my smoking addiction, I came in here for my heroin addiction, or my addiction to crack."'

Lapsker is getting treatment through a court-ordered mandate, and he's very happy and grateful for his time at Samaritan. But he said if he faces a potential relapse after leaving the facility he will "definitely not" go seek help because he doesn't want to quit smoking.

"I look forward to my every cigarette that I smoke," Lapsker said. "That's what gets me through the day, through the stress, through the pressure."

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That's weird, I was in rehab with this woman that was from NY and she talked all about how they banned smoking in all the rehabs up there. This was nearly 9 months ago, the woman claimed that she was in a rehab at the time and nearly everyone left because they couldn't take the other withdrawals combined with no nicotine. I guess she was in one of the state run ones ten years ago. I think banning smoking in rehab is an idiotic idea. Isn't it a proven fact that people are more likely to relapse if they quit smoking at the same time they quit their other addiction(s)?
 
no big deal, last i knew in upstate ny there was only one single detox that allowed smoking out of 7 or 8 detoxs/impatients.
It may be official now but even 3 or 4 years ago i had my mom drive me an hour from where i lived to go to a detox that allowed smoking.

what is insane is the number of people who ended up getting kicked out of rehab (thus violating their probation/parole and going back to jail/prison) for cigarette smoking. I guess i shouldn't say anything because I risked going back to jail just for half a cigarette outside an AA meeting while i was at an impatient rehab :\

it really sucks, i'd say about 15% of the people who came and went during my 2 month stint in inpatient got kicked out for smoking. the worst was they kicked out a deaf homeless guy from nyc for smoking and made him get on a bus back to nyc (nyc is about 6 hours from the rehab). it's mad shitty this dude lost everything and got sent back to nyc to be homeless because of a fucking cigarette.
 
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major deal. i can quit drinkin, smokin weed, takin pills, pretty mcuh everything

but my cigarettes are my life blood(as much as i hate to say it)

and ihavent ever been to rehab


i feel so bad for those people that have to deal with quitting an H habit or a crack or smack habit

and then they are told they also have to quit a legal habit as well


thats fucking bullshit
 
Thats crazy...smoking cigs is like the only thing you can do in rehab. The last rehab i went to actually sold cigs. Everyone smoked there. You go to any AA or NA meeting and everyone seems to have coffee and cigs. Its def a part of addiction, but its a legal substance, so whats the big deal?
 
ahh get over it! they are just cigarettes!!!! when i was in solitary confinement for 7 months in prison, smoking wasn't allowed at all-until u get out of solitary, and i had no cravings, only when i know cigarettes are around i will crave. but if your in an environment where there is no tobacco whatsoever, it doesnt faze me at all, personally...and i never suffer withdrawl from smoking...and i smoke a pack of day for 8 years now..in my opinion its all psychological. it would be beneficial anyway not to be able to smoke in rehab anyway...my theory is even smoking
is a form of addiction of a sort because your still relying on a substance, whether it is cigarettes, alcohol, cocaine, or heroin-legal or not a drug is a drug, just the government allows us to consume certain substances regardless of health risk and potential for addiction. cigarettes are disgusting anyway.
speaking of which, i go to out-patient drug counseling, and that facility just even made a ban where u cant even smoke on the premises, not even in the parking lot. staff cant even smell like smoke, and according to the counselor there, if they have meeting at diff. locations and have to travel by car they cant even smoke in the car on the way to the meeting at a diff. location....now some places even ban any beverages with caffeine, particularly inpatient rehabs.........

of course i would love to drink coffee and smoke cigarettes if i were in inpatient rehab, but think about it, opinions aside- it would be great to clear youself from drugs, AND cigarettes and caffeine. Last time i was in detox, which was in 2004-they allowed smoking and caffeinated drinks..things change, this is all in New York State..yeah they are getting tough on shit like this.
 
It wouldn't suprise me if this made it's way down to PA - the rehabs seem to be getting more and more strict. The last rehab I was at patients could smoke in ONE designated area - and staff had to drive off site! But as opiatekrzy said, when you can't GET them it's not that big a deal, didn't really think about it much after a few days in a smoke-free jail. Although an occasional cig was a treat ;p
 
medicine cabinet said:
Thats crazy...smoking cigs is like the only thing you can do in rehab. The last rehab i went to actually sold cigs. Everyone smoked there. You go to any AA or NA meeting and everyone seems to have coffee and cigs. Its def a part of addiction, but its a legal substance, so whats the big deal?

my thoughts exactly
 
Hmm I always found it ironic that rehabs let people smoke but insited they quit everything else including alcohol even if they weren't alcoholics and just did "street" drugs..

I wonder if you go to rehab in amsterdamn if you can have weed breaks cause thats legal there.. lol.
 
Couldn't you just go for a walk and smoke? I don't understand how rehabs work. Are they locked or something?
 
william1985 said:
Couldn't you just go for a walk and smoke? I don't understand how rehabs work. Are they locked or something?
Well, I've never been to one, so I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure you can't leave the facility if you want to stay in the program.

medicine cabinet said:
Thats crazy...smoking cigs is like the only thing you can do in rehab. The last rehab i went to actually sold cigs. Everyone smoked there. You go to any AA or NA meeting and everyone seems to have coffee and cigs. Its def a part of addiction, but its a legal substance, so whats the big deal?
Its fucked up. Just like how they are banning Trans-fats in restaurants. Its the government trying to tell you whats good for you.
I'm gonna go eat a stick of butter and smoke a butt
 
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