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Now that the dust has settled, do any of you have regrets for believing the conspiracies about Russia collusion?

Trump wasn’t in office ‘Biden’ was in charge. You can have your cake, and eat it too, but only with other indoctrinated pro establishment people.
Trump left Biden with a skeleton crew of troops, a deadline to leave, the country nearly overrun, and our allies pissed off... purposely.
Repeating your talking points incessantly will only work on those not paying much attention (maybe). But, you know that
There's a shorter version, BTW.
 


Trump left Biden with a skeleton crew of troops, a deadline to leave, the country nearly overrun, and our allies pissed off... purposely.
Repeating your talking points incessantly will only work on those not paying much attentionieci (maybe). But, you know that
There's a shorter version, BTW.
imagine believing the establishment at this point, and Imagine thinking we have any Allies there. Come on bro
 
I don't believe a word coming out of the mouths of the lying criminals we euphemistically call "politicians," And I am not a member of any political "team", so my mistrust is across parties, of course. I don't buy into the the false, left/right paradigm which is just one mechanism of control, and at this point, I am shocked that anyone does.

None of these people give two shits about you, and it shows. They are there to collude with the greater media and do the bidding of the money magicians to manufacture consent to do what they want to do. It's abundantly clear. I've been around for a long time and if you lie to me, I stop believing you. And once you figure out just how much you're being lied to routinely, you have no reason to believe that they are operating in good faith. Those days are long over, and I act accordingly. And when you finally do enough work to figure out that the power structure is essentially run by organized criminals, you'd have to be out of your mind to trust them.
 



imagine believing the establishment at this point, and Imagine thinking we have any Allies there. Come on bro
I remember reading about the drawdowns when Trump was President. I also remember him saying the troops would be home by Christmas.


Damn, they have some organized conspiracies with how they can release this info over months and years, Public statements by the Chiefs of Staff and them not publicly countering them and all! Wonder why Trump didn't publicly counter all that as fake news as it was being reported!


The conspiracy goes all the way up to Trump!

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Reading (comprehension) is fundamental, scooter.
 
I remember reading about the drawdowns when Trump was President. I also remember him saying the troops would be home by Christmas.


Damn, they have some organized conspiracies with how they can release this info over months and years, Public statements by the Chiefs of Staff and them not publicly countering them and all! Wonder why Trump didn't publicly counter all that as fake news as it was being reported!


The conspiracy goes all the way up to Trump!

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Reading (comprehension) is fundamental, scooter.
The real issue is they were being lied to by the afghan forces about their readiness. But anyone over there would have known this was the case. The exit was never going to be picturesque, but the person in charge of the execution gets the blame. Of course the TV people are going to try and have their cake, and eat it too.
 
The real issue is they were being lied to by the afghan forces about their readiness. But anyone over there would have known this was the case. The exit was never going to be picturesque, but the person in charge of the execution gets the blame. Of course the TV people are going to try and have their cake, and eat it too.
And Trump withdrew the bulk of the troops, did all of the negotiation. So I agree, he gets the bulk of the blame.
Really, repetition is not making your case. Unless you feel the need to actually copy and paste a previous post since you see it wasn't read or digested, like I did.
 
And Trump withdrew the bulk of the troops, did all of the negotiation. So I agree, he gets the bulk of the blame.
Really, repetition is not making your case. Unless you feel the need to actually copy and paste a previous post since you see it wasn't read or digested, like I did.
I’m not big on wing cuckery tbh. I think the establishment is wrong, you agree with their take. Not much else to say
 
I’m not big on wing cuckery tbh. I think the establishment is wrong, you agree with their take. Not much else to say
Is there an echo in here?

Anyone who would put our troops in danger to play politics is not fit to be in America, much less office.
 
Haha troops are put in danger literally every day playing politics
Domestic politics. We weren't speaking of international politics.
All of this is contingent on the CIA telling the truth, they don’t do this. Simmer down bruh 🤓
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Huh?
 
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Yeah, considering it was THE most important story for quite a while.

I've noticed speaking with other super lefty types, they're not very likely to admit that they/the media were wrong.
They're more likely to try and make a stupid joke, or pretend that they can't remember the details or don't care about it anymore.

They really are at the mercy of what direction the establishment/corporate media tells them to go in.
The personal cognitive dissonance and selective amnesia can deal with the rest later.
 
Yeah, considering it was THE most important story for quite a while.

I've noticed speaking with other super lefty types, they're not very likely to admit that they/the media were wrong.
They're more likely to try and make a stupid joke, or pretend that they can't remember the details or don't care about it anymore.

They really are at the mercy of what direction the establishment/corporate media tells them to go in.
The personal cognitive dissonance and selective amnesia can deal with the rest later.
Dawg the right still believes Biden stole the election because the TV says he did a million times for over 2 years... but ok.

Get down from that high donkey. Come back to reality.
 
The American public definitely deserves an apology from the cable news outlets that pushed the “Russiagate story”…MSNBC, CNN, some of the print outlets etc pushed that story HARD, especially during 2017/2018, because they knew it was like catnip for their lib audience. People like to bash Fox but all the cable news do the same crap, spoonfeed simplistic and reassuring narratives to their audience. If the election of Donald Trump to the presidency in 2016 was merely the result of some “outside” presence, then that doesn’t really require any serious reflection does it? The negative outcomes can be merely consigned to a shadowy, vague world of covert action, intelligence/counter-intelligence etc…the equivalent on the right is QAnon.

But I don’t expect any kind of reckoning, much less an apology from them, which is very unfortunate. They blue-balled their audience for YEARS and gave them jackshit at the end of it. If a foreign tourist who had no knowledge of American politics or culture visited the USA during 2017/2018 and only watched MSNBC for news, they could be forgiven for thinking that Russiagate was the biggest political issue in the country at that time.

I also don’t think that, with the benefit of hindsight that we now have after Trumps presidency, the idea that the period 2016-2020 was especially favorable to Russia regarding foreign policy, esp. re: NATO on the European frontier. At best a mixed bag I’d say, definitely not the outcome one would expect if Trump were simply Russia’s bitch
 
Dawg the right still believes Biden stole the election because the TV says he did a million times for over 2 years... but ok.

Get down from that high donkey. Come back to reality.
A significant number of people who think that the Dems rigged the election in 2020 don't watch TV. They think that due to the overwhelming amount of evidence (and being able to logically think helps a lot).

The left believe that Russia miraculously rigged the 2016 election for Trump (with no evidence), yet bombastically ridicule the possibility that the 2020 election may have been rigged domestically.

I chuckle when intellectually challenged people tell me to come back to reality.
 
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