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Dissociatives Novel emotions triggered by dissociatives

dopamimetic

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I believe that dissociatives can cause or trigger novel emotions which one is unable to feel while sober. It doesn't even require high dosages for that, the last time I did DXM on a 1st plateau dose I was still tired in the morning and went for a nap. I nodded in and out of sleep for some time and always when I fell asleep I would experience myself immersed into an awesome novel (for the lack of a better word) emotion. Of course is this incredibly hard to describe to others because we don't have words for this but maybe anybody knowing what I mean?

Another time on MXE I felt "Arabic" like those ornaments and stuff. Also a novel emotion which I never experienced before and never after.
 
I hope it's not offensive to say but I did crack up at the idea of a drug making you feel Arabic, sometimes LSD makes me want to move into a wagon like my Romani ancestors.

Often, dissociatives have lived up to the name "psychedelic" (meaning something that catalyzes a release of internal emotions/ideas) moreso than traditional psychedelics have. CanKet (2F-NENDCK), ketamine, 2F-DCK, DCK, 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCP, DXM, and salvia have all consistently caused emotions I was unable to normally interface with or even notice to bubble up to the surface. This has happened also in anyone I've ever shared these drugs with. I'm not sure what it is about dissociatives that is uniquely effective at unmasking these emotions, but I suspect that they have a higher therapeutic value than something like LSD or psilocin, personally.
 
dopamimetic said:
I believe that dissociatives can cause or trigger novel emotions which one is unable to feel while sober. It doesn't even require high dosages for that, the last time I did DXM on a 1st plateau dose I was still tired in the morning and went for a nap. I nodded in and out of sleep for some time and always when I fell asleep I would experience myself immersed into an awesome novel (for the lack of a better word) emotion. Of course is this incredibly hard to describe to others because we don't have words for this but maybe anybody knowing what I mean?

Another time on MXE I felt "Arabic" like those ornaments and stuff. Also a novel emotion which I never experienced before and never after.
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Disso's and psyches do this for me although my experience is mostly psychedelics and dreaming.
I attribute the transformed emotional shapes and depth to the altered sense of time which is also an altered sense of space both inside and out;
and interestingly when you say Arabic, I imagine the curlicues of one moment of time entangling with contents of experience of subsequent moments in an elegant manner that follows the reshaping of time and space; and the feelings in the body are suspended surprisingly -overlapping- as the continuum of space time transforms in the enchanted conscious experience.
 
I empathize. I think my most profound drug moments have mostly been during MXE peaks and comedowns. And I've been feeling a real sadness at the hole (no pun intended) where MXE used to be.

It almost always connected me to emotions, thoughts, feelings, and most significantly, old, distant memories that I never would have recalled otherwise. The old memories would catalyze tears, feelings of rejuvenation, and often I would text my mother or my girlfriend (now wife) or best friends about how much I loved them and how dear they are to me after the hole. I find this real significant because aside from my wife I'm very distant from my best friends and mother, especially my mother, all my life it has been difficult to get past others' shortcomings but MXE always showed me how much I truly loved them.
 
dopamimetic said:
I believe that dissociatives can cause or trigger novel emotions which one is unable to feel while sober. It doesn't even require high dosages for that, the last time I did DXM on a 1st plateau dose I was still tired in the morning and went for a nap. I nodded in and out of sleep for some time and always when I fell asleep I would experience myself immersed into an awesome novel (for the lack of a better word) emotion. Of course is this incredibly hard to describe to others because we don't have words for this but maybe anybody knowing what I mean?

Another time on MXE I felt "Arabic" like those ornaments and stuff. Also a novel emotion which I never experienced before and never after.
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I can kinda relate to this with my Salvia experiences? The first 20x I smoked gave me this strange feeling of being in a jungle, no visuals nothing beyond that strange almost ancestral feeling/emotion. The second time was a higher extract and other than a short blackout I was left feeling as though I was a wheel on a bus? Not sure if this is similar to what you describe, I was always perplexed by my salvia experiences as people I smoked it with had profound experiences, while I had nothing close but I also had a huge dissociative tolerance at the time.
 
I had a friend who I shared 10X salvia with, and on his first time, he experienced being in the jungle and being kidnapped by amazons. This wasn't some kind of sex fantasy. He was literally frightened for his life, and he was talking to me as if I was there with him. He was looking for the right moment to make an escape, and got freaked out when I didn't follow him to safety when the moment came. Right then, he started to come down enough to realize that he wasn't actually in the jungle, but it took him about an hour to feel confident that he wasn't living in two realities at once. He was rather unnerved by the experience for a few days. I was just glad that he didn't try to leave the apartment.

The only dissociative experience I really have is with N2O. Once at the dentist, I had an OBE/K-hole type of experience which triggered strong "spiritual" feelings and sparked my interest in using drugs for spiritual exploration. It eventually led me to try Salvia, then MDMA, and then serotonergic psychedelics. I've had several balloons of N2O since, but without the mask (and supplemental O2) the effects seem too short to really go anywhere with.

Anyway, my experience is that Salvia is a lot more like a "dissociative" like N2O than a serotonergic psychedelic, even though technically speaking it is a whole different thing. I do think it can maybe trigger "novel emotions" as well, but I'm not sure how this is likely to compare to a "proper" dissociative like K. I wonder why I haven't been motivated to try it again for so long because it never seemed threatening to me even though some stuff I saw was a rather mind-bending. For me, Salvia is kind of an Alice-in-Wonderland type drug in which impossible and even non-sensical things briefly become possible, and I'm forced to reckon with the consequences. Fortunately it's just a drug experience or I'd have real problems!
 
Whenever I do dissos especially ketamine it makes me feel very existential is how I would describe the emotion, I think less about the now and more about the future, my friend who I do it with is the same she always asks me what my plans are when she is on ketamine or she goes on about wanting to have kids, only ketamine does this not even traditional psychedelics trigger that specific existential emotion
 
A disso brain Is split into seprate areas with any psychdelic effects from mainly D2 agonism & 5HT2A agonism. I view Disso's as a post-modern take on psychdelic's. While deliriants Is a more animalistic psychosis.

Bit odd how there no mushrooms or plants that are NMDA antagonists matching Ketamine.
 
bigjackaal96 said:
Bit odd how there no mushrooms or plants that are NMDA antagonists matching Ketamine.
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One of my best friends sampled a tincture that was sold as containing hodgkinsine, and (especially in the presence of insufflated harmaline) experienced effects that align heavily with a psychedelic dissociative. I don't have much info on it past that, the sole supplier we could find did not have much, Psychotria colorata was the source plant iirc.
 
It would be great if we could isolate and catalog the emotions that may come from dissociative and psychedelic use. I can not remember who said it but we have bout 50 facial expressions cataloged. But someone on DMT may have a facial expression other than what we already documented. I really need to find the exact statement and from whom. It is just one of those things that I read and stuck in my head. I am sure we can add novel emotions to a list of already existing documented emotions.

bigjackaal96 said:
Bit odd how there no mushrooms or plants that are NMDA antagonists matching Ketamine.
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These conversations come up every once in a while. I have my eyes opened for anything in nature that mimics ketamine, PCP, and even gabapentinoids. There were discussions and someone from BL said they hold out hope that we will find 2C-B in the ocean somewhere. Hey it is cool to speculate but we need facts. I can not imagine what we will find in the next 200 years in Nature.
 
JackARoe said:
It would be great if we could isolate and catalog the emotions that may come from dissociative and psychedelic use. I can not remember who said it but we have bout 50 facial expressions cataloged. But someone on DMT may have a facial expression other than what we already documented. I really need to find the exact statement and from whom. It is just one of those things that I read and stuck in my head. I am sure we can add novel emotions to a list of already existing documented emotions.


These conversations come up every once in a while. I have my eyes opened for anything in nature that mimics ketamine, PCP, and even gabapentinoids. There were discussions and someone from BL said they hold out hope that we will find 2C-B in the ocean somewhere. Hey it is cool to speculate but we need facts. I can not imagine what we will find in the next 200 years in Nature.
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Part of me thinks that the dissociatives are more akin to plastics, machines, aliens, and metal than any organic spiritual energy. If plant teacher spirits are real, then ketamine's plant teacher is that of the power plant.
 
tryptakid said:
Part of me thinks that the dissociatives are more akin to plastics, machines, aliens, and metal than any organic spiritual energy. If plant teacher spirits are real, then ketamine's plant teacher is that of the power plant.
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Plants (and other psychedelic substance) open a door to perceive the "teachers". They themselves are NOT the teachers. The substance that opens the door may change the way they are perceived, but do not change the message.
 
^^ yes sir they allow you to enter. into.

But thank you anyway Cheshire for the arrow-pointing-the-way sign.

To the entrance.

That's intense. :) It had me shakin, a bit. ;)

But in a way is supernatural ... or a Spiritual molecule probably.

thnx <3


( excuse my intrigue )
bye
 
I have red/green colorblindness. Certain psychedelics have caused me to see colors I've never seen before. I am unsure of these are shades that I can't see do to my condition, or new colors altogether, but I suspect the former.
 
Quasimoto said:
I have red/green colorblindness. Certain psychedelics have caused me to see colors I've never seen before. I am unsure of these are shades that I can't see do to my condition, or new colors altogether, but I suspect the former.
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I have virtually a complete absence of the capacity to see red, but I've also seen colors, shades, hues, degrees of iridescence, etc. thanks to psychedelics that I've never seen sober also. Never seen people who aren't colorblind talk about it though, it makes me wonder if psychedelics endogenously cause the perception that we couldn't meaningfully interpret from the outside world. No clue really, just a guess.
 
Esperighanto said:
I have virtually a complete absence of the capacity to see red, but I've also seen colors, shades, hues, degrees of iridescence, etc. thanks to psychedelics that I've never seen sober also. Never seen people who aren't colorblind talk about it though, it makes me wonder if psychedelics endogenously cause the perception that we couldn't meaningfully interpret from the outside world. No clue really, just a guess.
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Makes me wonder about Classic Autistic's having the same effects as LSD/Shrooms. Since hyperserotonemia Is a marker for Classic autism.
 
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