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nothing stops the voices

Call your psychiatrist.

That's only 3 and there are more effective antipsychotics out there than the ones you've tried.
 
Oh Fuck dude, That must be horrible for you...I have no experience with this but i wanted to tell you to "Stay strong"
It must be just awful to hear voices...See your Dr ASAP?
ALl the best and i really really hope you can manage to stop them...M.K<3
 
Have you any idea as to what is causing them and your condition, if you have a condition, in general?
 
What do the voices say? Who are the voices? Why do their opinions matter? The only voice that matters is your voice.

Mental health problems have nothing to with drugs or their abuse- while it is true that drug use and mental health problems often go hand in hand, it is all too often seen as a 'drug problem' (thus refusing to treat you until you're 'not an addict') rather than what it is- self medication, a desperate attempt by the individiual to overcome the challanges that their own mind creates for them.

You need to seek professional assistance, if you are experiencing 'positive' (hallucinations of any type, messiah-type-outlook, strong belief that meaning exists for you exclusively- 'the newspaper has codes that only I can decipher') symptoms of schitz-ophrenia/otypal/oid PD then it is essential that you get proper support. My experiences with the mental health system in my country have been a systematic failure, but I live in a bumpkin country and the mental health system has a very quick staff turnover making it hard to form theraputic relationships.

As you've mentioned several anti-psychotics (which don't seem to have worked for you) and you still feel hopeless I suspect that you've been unlucky and ended up with a doc who just wants to pump you full of drugs until you're a docile little zombie, not actually help you overcome the obstacles in your life. From what I can see mental health is not a 'glamour' part of the medical system, it's full of incompedent naive do-gooders (who are infuriating and useless) and the C-grade med students who are pissed off that they have to work with 'the crazies' and are sending out CVs as soon as they get a job (hence the very high staff turn over)- so don't give up, keep looking for the psych who can and wants to help you lead a managable and forfilling life.

However, I'd reccomend getting in contact with mental health patient support groups and organisations, for instance:
http://www.intervoiceonline.org/
http://www.hearing-voices.org/index.html
I'm not sure how long this has been going on or what stage you are in your treatment (from guessing I'd say you're still at stage 1? Have you seen a specialist yet? Have you got a proper diagnosis?) If this is new and still very scary I'd suggest reading:
http://www.intervoiceonline.org/support-recovery/a-practical-guide

The core quote, and why I support the hearing voices network (despite not hearing voices, I want to organise an equivilant organisation for people with BPD) is ['we' refers to the psychiatric professsion, 'they' are the patient]:
“What this research shows is that we must accept that the voices exist. We must also accept that we cannot change the voices. They are not curable, just as you cannot cure left-handedness – human variations are not open to cure – only to coping. Therefore to assist people to cope we should not give them therapy that does not work. We should let people decide for themselves what helps or not. It takes time for people to accept that hearing voices is something that belongs to them.”

I do not suffer from schitz-whatever, I've been diagnosed with borderline w/ schizoid tendencies (which is a contradictory diagnosis, but whatever), but from my personal experience I got the most theraputic support from other, often older people who were also borderline- had gone through the same minefield I'm currently in and come out the otherside in better nick than they when they started. A close friend of mine suffers from schizophrenia (he's how I know about the hearing voices network and the patient-led mental health reform movement- it is the patient, not the doctor, who should be empowered) and he said that the 'self-help' groups allowed him to learn and develop his own techniques to manage his illness. He is now on minimal medication (more for moodswings than the voices these days), has a job, a girlfriend, a nice haircut and has three voices in his head that he dominates (he use to have five distinct voices, essentially through arguing it out with the voices and disempowering them two of them shut up completely and the other three can be talked down by his inner voice)- he has gone from being literally a crazy-homeless-schitzophrenic to working fulltime in a government department, sitting at a desk doing a job that he's happy with and pays quite well.

I'm not sure if any of this will be helpful for you, but you should never give up on yourself. Mental illness is just a big internal powerstruggle, but you can win. You define your condition- never allow your condition define you. Everyone hears voices- their own mainly, but some people hear distinctive voices. People who hear distinctive voices can lead happy and productive lives. You are worthy of having a happy life, you deserve a happy life- all you need to do is dedicate yourself to fighting for the life you want.

You are worthy. You are worthy. Fuck the world, but never give up on yourself.
 
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If you truly are hearing voices, meaning that you have a diagnosis of schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder, you need to speak with your therapist and your psychiatrist as soon as possible. If things are bad enough, it would be best for you to commit yourself to a short-term mental hospital for a week or two or three. Additionally, you really should get the hell off of Bluelight and any other drug-centric forums. Drugs + Mental Illness = Disaster. Always. Some might disagree, but they'd be wrong. If you have a mental illness and you keep taking recreational drugs things are just going to get even worse for you. Ask your psychiatrist. He'll tell you.
 
Stay Strong Help you WILL find something that will atleast HELP.

Hello Darkside, I'm probably not known over here because for years i was an opiod addict 8( , but since i was a little kid i had problems with anxiedy to the point of panic attacks at a young age. Im now 23 and have been clean from my opiates for almost 2 years. So now my point of attack was fixing this Skitzo-generalized anxiedy shit which adds depression( pretty nasty actually ) i got going on. Now to the poster this may help you.

They tried MANY MANY medications on me over the years for the voices and delusions and this terrible overwhealming anxiedy.For some reason i actually had ADVERSE reactions to all anti/psy drugs. When they tried thorozine (SP?) it made me SPEED insted of calm me down, Seroquel made me Speed like people on amphetamines and made the voices louder and seem more ugly in nature. As for the other meds they tried similar reasponces. For years i chose oxycodone then to Heroin ( Which SIR/Ma'am DID NOT HELP ME IN ANY WAY AT ALL) so please don't go the illegal route it doesnt help and just lets it build up stronger and stronger under it all. Thenn you got 2 problems.
Back to the story, They tried and tried, nothing helped and it kept seeming to get worse. It got to the point to where i was turning on my friends for saying things i've heard in my delusions, acting on my inner voices all that ( im sure you know what im talking about ). I hit the point of wanting to end it all every morning mid day and after noon. To put it mildly it got very ugly. So after being clean a little while, i went to a new Dr and therapist. Addiction therapists because of my addiction past and what happened, they listened to me and tried a couple drugs to calm the anxiedy to a minimal to where i could deal with it and the paranoia ( and trust me addiction Therapists and Dr's DO NOT RX NARCOTICS commonly. I slowly noticed times to where my inner voices were either non existant or to the point i almost laughed at them ( as you know sometimes they can be kind of funny or maby i just after a while like all of us with this get delusional) But it's now been a little whiles time and my Voices, Almost non existant.

I Began working out and doing things to make myself feel better about myself and all of that good stuff. Started making sure the people that have stuck with my through all of this feel appreciated. Seems to help a bit.
But look what im saying is, you're going to find the right Dr or therapist or SOMEONE that will understand you and try something differnt. I NEVER thought a dr giving me 5mgs of valium 2 times a day ( 3 if needed ) and my Skitz med.and Constatly 2 day a week therapy to calm this anxiedy would cut these voices and delusions to a bearible state. So hang in there. Life will Get better.

Also i have a friend with a strong Sktizo disorder and im going to ask him if i can post his story to you, because his may help you more than mine because he wasnt a drug abuser and his is ALOT more serious than mine, and his meds work, When he takes them anyway, he has a habit of once he feels better to stop taking them. When for yyears they couldn't find a combo of drugs to work for him.

Whats im trying to say is Bud stay in there, there is hope. 2 years ago i was suicidal over my overwhealming addiction and mental issues. Im not saying im perfect today, but im 100% better than i was then. Hang in there and i know its hard but keep your patience, alot of Dr's only do what's out of the book, others have the ballls and CARE enough to try something new. If you ever EVER need to talk to someone PM me.

Best of luck and life gets better,
-B
 
actually the only thing i've tried that has helped at all is oxycodone and xanax but to be honest any strong opioid or benzo does the trick it doesn't stop the voices it just makes them quieter and less frequent
 
^ Definitely don't self medicate yourself with either of those. Please go see a psychiatrist and tell them all the information that you've basically given us here and they will be able to properly help you.
 
yeah i was on geodone for like a month it made me groggy and didn't help the voices
 
Drink whiskey, it won't stop the voices but at least it will get them singing.
 
thats awful advice if i drink i might act on the voices and no one needs to die for no good reason
 
mrflowers00 said:
i've tried zyprexa seroquel rispridol i don't know what to do
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Ive tried all 3 of those meds and the zyprexa was the most effective and side effect free for me. Right now i am on seroquel though. What doses of these meds have you been on? Sometimes dosage is key in how well a med works and it varies from person to person. There are lot's of other anti-psychotics out there as they are coming out with new ones every year it seems. Abilify, Geodon/zeldox, Invega (the main active metabolite of risperidone and has the same uses but some people find it to work better) and clozapine (the last ditch effort with anti-psychotics due to it's many side effects that can be life threatening but often works when everything else fails) are all atypical anti-psychotics that help many people. There are also lot's of the older typical anti-psychotics that might be worth trying.

What is your actual diagnoses by the way? The diagnoses pretty much set's how the treatment is going to be.

mrflowers00 said:
actually the only thing i've tried that has helped at all is oxycodone and xanax but to be honest any strong opioid or benzo does the trick it doesn't stop the voices it just makes them quieter and less frequent
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Don't self medicate with opiates or benzos trust me i have been there. I have bipolar disorder and i also am prescribed morphine for neuropathic pain and clonazepam for anxiety as well as the bipolar. I often use the morphine to help either of my mood swings. Feeling really manic? Take some morphine to chill me out. Feeling totally miserable and beyond depressed? Take some extra morphine to feel abit better even if it's only for a few hours. So don't take more then you are prescribed for pain unless you want to run into way more trouble then you already experience. People with mental disorders get worse psychological symptoms during opiate wd and especially benzon wd. I have gotten a sorta weird psychosis on a few occasions when withdrawing from morphine so my advice would be to avoid running out or going cold turkey if you get physically dependent on opiates. That goes double for benzos as withdrawals are much worse.

xHippiexchildx said:
What about depakote?
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Divalproex aka depakote aka epival is a anti-seizure medication that is also used alot as a anti-manic drug in the treatment of bipolar disorder. It is not a anti-psychotic like seroquel or risperdal. However if a person was manic and depakote worked for them then it could help stop psychotic symptoms associated with mania.
 
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