Heroin Not properly preparing Black Tar - Help a dummy out please?

[BuckieGoldstein]

I just finished reading this post:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=527413

And as of tonight, I am finishing my 6th gram of BTH after being denied my oxy prescription I needed something so I got some tar. I HAD NO IDEA that black tar had the ability to fuck up your veins like that. Help me out here and please give me some information on what to do next ... Heres where I'm at ...

My oxy preparations have been stellar. I use micron filtration and store a months supply in media bottles. It looks like medical grade solution, 100% transparent ... it looks cleaner than water.

I also use syringes with the luer-lock tips so that I can switch needles without needing to switch syringes ... so I use large guage needes to prepare / draw into syringe, then swap out with a clean 32 guage 1" needle. the needle is so tiny, it was never obvious that I was shooting oxy (and speed by the way because I dont like nodding). and in over 13 months of IVing oxy AND METH, I had not had a single collapsed vein. Then I started the BTH ... I was preparing it by slicing a little off, dropping it into the spoon, putting in bacteria free water, heating just before boil, mashing scraping, mashing (mixing in speed too) then shooting in the crook of the arm like I always do only after a few days, that side of my arm stopped working so I switched to the right and in less than a week it shut down and I have this HUGE nodule underneath... so I've been unsucessfully trying other veins but its been a bitch because when I hit and draw blood, then start pushing, it burms something fierce and I think it might be "melting?" the vein wall? Because it seems like after only 1 or 2 units, the surrounding flesh starts to swell up just like if I had missed the vein. BUT I can stop, start drawing back and sure enough, I get blood .. so I pushed through the pain several times Im afraid.

I had no idea that black tar could be prepared without impurities. I think I will be better off preparing supplies using media bottles and micro filters like I did with the oxy contin. I'm wondering though, how much water per gram of tar should I use? I'm thinking 100 units (1CC or 1 ML) per gram or maybe 50 units per gram but the less water I use the more that will get wasted in side sticking residue, left over in the micron filter etc.etc. so I think 100 units per gram will be good??? To give you an idea of my tolerance, I bought 3.1 grams of BTH over 1 week ago (about 9 days I think) and I will need a refill tomorrow.

Thank you BL for your harm reduction posts ...

Is there any hope for my arms recovering from this damage? What about these nodules that have shown up? Can I get rid of them? I thought the burning sensation was the speed apparently it was the BTH all along.

:-(

Buck

 

[ATLL765]

In my experience, most of the damage done by injecting is healed by not using that spot for a little while. I wouldn't worry yourself too much about that unless the pain and other whatnot is still noticeable after a couple weeks. From what I've read about tar heroin, it's far more damaging to your veins than powder dope and the like and I'd imagine more damaging than the Oxy you've been preparing with micron filters. Micron filtering the tar might be helpful, but also might not be cost efficient as you can't prepare large amounts at once because heroin when left in water solution will hydrolyze into morphine.

I would also try to shoot the heroin and speed in separate shots instead of together as that may be the cause of the irritation and pain when injecting. I'm not sure if that's the case, but trying it out would certainly rule it out as the cause.

 

[BlindReverend!!]

BTH is terrible to inject, even in powder form. black tar always comes from mexico and mexican runners, and is usually cut with stuff you do not want in your vein. IME it is never good to inject BTH. I still have a scar in the crook of my elbow from that shit.

 

[BuckieGoldstein]

BTH is terrible to inject, even in powder form. black tar always comes from mexico and mexican runners, and is usually cut with stuff you do not want in your vein. IME it is never good to inject BTH. I still have a scar in the crook of my elbow from that shit.

Then what is the preferred method of ingestion for bth? Should I be looking for white powder H instead? It doesn't look clean, that's for sure, but I just assumed that injecting it was the norm. Damn!

I'm micron filtering the last of it now. We'll see how it does assuming i can find a vein and hit after the last week of torturing myself.

Thank you,

Buck

 

[RedRum OG]

BTH is terrible to inject, even in powder form.

? that wouldnt be bth then... would be powder hah

 

[Tchort]

BTH is a specific product- it can be converted into a powder, a liquid, whatever- it's still BTH.

As others have said, with the admirably high level of care you put into using as cleanly and safely as possible, BTH just isn't a drug that can be made anywhere near safe to inject. It's garbage with opioids in it- using bacteriostatic water, heat, micron filtration, etc means it's just filtered garbage with opioids in it unfortunately. While I think anyone who uses BTH should do what you are doing before using it, as a means to reduce potential harm, I just mean that it won't ever be as clean or safe as an oxycodone shot using the same procedures.

If you're willing to try it, I'd recommend adding powder Caffeine ( a 50:50 mix, Caffeine powder to BTH) and chasing (vaporizing) it. BTH is still Diamorphine Hcl, which isn't nearly as good to chase as Diamorphine Base- though Caffeine increases volatilization, increasing the amount of H available to be inhaled and absorbed.

More here:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=436379&highlight=opioid+chase+heroin

Failing that, do as the others suggest and switch spots frequently, allow used areas time to heal adequately.

 

[BlindReverend!!]

As the dude before me said, BTH is the product of a certain process performed on raw morphine in which you skip a couple steps. anywho, my preferred ROA is snorting or smoking. but if you are in the midwest or west coast (as I assume you are because you are doing BTH) then you probably are never gonna score white unless you have a really good hookup.

edit: micron filtering will help, and if you are skilled with shooting then it shouldn't be too much of a problem. just try not to make it too much of a habit, you're bound to fuck up eventually, and with black tar it will really leave some bad marks when you do.

 

[BuckieGoldstein]

my preferred ROA is snorting or smoking.

How the hell do you snort black tar?

but if you are in the midwest or west coast (as I assume you are because you are doing BTH) then you probably are never gonna score white unless you have a really good hookup.

I am west coast for sure. I had no idea the BTH was that fucked up. I had no idea that I've been injecting nothing but shit these last three weeks. I feel like a fucking idiot for assuming Heroin was Heroin and that obviously everyone injects it so why not just go with that assumption? FUCK! No wonder my arms are swollen around the injection sites and some veins quit working all together. God I hope this damage is reversible.

micron filtering will help, and if you are skilled with shooting then it shouldn't be too much of a problem. just try not to make it too much of a habit, you're bound to fuck up eventually

OK, help me understand this ... What you are saying is, "You can micron filter BTH and you'll more than likely get decent results and you'll be able to shoot it for many years to come. But if you do continue to shoot it for many years to come, your bound to fuck up the process somewhere and get that shit back into your veins and well ... Then your just fucked.... Is that what you mean? Or can you expound a little on the whole, "you're bound to fuck up eventually" statement? What could I fuck up?

and with black tar it will really leave some bad marks when you do.

Yeah, I think I'm beginning to see whats going on here ... When I heat the BTH, it melts nicely into the bacteristatic water and when I drop the cotton into the solution it draws up nicely and when i was shooting it into the crook of the arm (where the vein could be hit from 5 meters away blind folded using a tooth pick and a rubber band for a catalyst), it went in easily enough but somewhere along the way, that shit hardened up and is probably flowing in my body trying to get cleaned out. I wonder if it finds it's way out through the lungs or not ...

So when the nice fatty veins said, "go fuck yourself we're closed" I had to try the smaller veins around the arm and even though I got blood when drawing back, injecting that shit was painful to the vein and somehow it started to swell up the skin around it. I could stop injecting, pull back on the plunger and still get fresh blood but injecting it would continue to swell up skin etc..

Obviously I think the best method from here on out is to dilute liberally, heat to extract goodness, LET THAT SHIT COOL so the nasty shit settles to the bottom and then draw up the rest and micron filter it.

Someone said that if you store heroin in water it turns into morphine ... What if it's not really water? like what about saliene or bacteriostatic water which is designed for mixing drugs for injection?

Thank You,

Buck