Cocaine Not addicted to IVing coke.

[Swam]

Hi everyone, fairly new to bluelight but so far I have had great experience with the community, especially with the mods (appreciate everyone helping me out and being cool when I make a no no and pointing it out) so I just wanted to start by thanking everyone!

Anyway, I have been doing coke for a while and the other week I started IVing. People were saying that it is really easy to get addicted to it but so far I havn't experienced much addiction. The only thing is the come-down fucking sucks but its nothing I can't handle. I don't know if it is the dose or if I can tolerate the come down or if its just because Im new at it or why, but I seem to be able to handle it. started with doses around 15mg and have moved up to 30mg fyi. Doing it with friends a couple times but other times just sitting around the house and playing videogames, never do it more than two times back to back though, just doesn't seem as fun after the first one. Usually do it a couple days a week so far, first time I did it back to back days, but recently just been doing too many other things that I've spaced it out a little more.

So, my question, why I am I not getting addicted to it as of yet? I ask because I am trying to watch out and see what to avoid. If I am not getting addicted because the mg size then I will keep it down to a minimum or if it because I am not doing more than two back to back in a day or if it is because I am not doing it everyday. Just trying to find out what I should avoid and what you guys think.

Thanks in advance!
-Swam

 

[spinchick]

The first time I shot coke...I didn't do it again for a few months. Then I started doing it....a lot. When my ex & I started partying together...man oh man. We'd go back to back to back for days. I haven't IV'd it since.....and won't unless I have xanax or h. Ahhhhh. Those were fun days though. Anyway, just give it time. Maybe you just don't have an addictive personality.

 

[neversickanymore]

Hey Swam.. can you tell me what being addicted to IVz coke will be like.. like in your mind what is being addicted to IV coke?

 

[Swam]

Hey Swam.. can you tell me what being addicted to IVz coke will be like.. like in your mind what is being addicted to IV coke?

Well, I always thought addiction was not having the ability to function normally without it. I don't want to reach that point.

I want to do it every once and a while, just like I want to run to the store and get a chocolate bar every once and a while. Addiction to me also means that you crave it far more often, especially not being able to function normally without it.

I guess that is what addiction means to me and what I am trying to avoid.

 

[neversickanymore]

Here is another opinion on what addiction is for you to consider Swam..

Physical dependence is not being able to function normal with out it... addiction is a drive that comes from you unconscious.. it drives you to use the drug.. how often it drives a person to do it once addicted depends on how fast the circle through the cycle of addiction.. the two most addictive non RS drugs on the planet are methamphetamine and cocaine... and i will go out on a limb and say they are the most addictive substances on the planet out of everything.. and they dont cause physical dependence to any great degree.. and some addicts can go long periods of time with little or no problem.. then for some reason the drive will kick in and then it everything they can do not to do the drug.. .. you mind keeps track of and ranks dopamine releases.. in a non drug users brain large releases are naturally tied to behaviors and goals that are necessary for the continuation of the individual's life and the promotion of the species.. sex, eating, drinking water, ect.. and these big ones come with their own drive.. the drive to eat is hunger, drive to drink water is thirst, sex drives makes you want to get some loving..

When we introduce an addictive substance into this system we risk having it be logged into that system as something necessary for life and risk having a drive attached to it.. that drive is caused drug addiction.. and addicts can make it long periods of time in between use and function normally with out it.. then the itch, drive, jones, desire will hit and we fight it and try and arrest it.. this takes practice and so much work to be able to do.. and until someone is able to really change their whole life and thinking an addict will be forced to use to try and gain relief.. though this doesn't really provide much relief, because then the addiction goes into over drive and you find yourself being driven twice as hard as the level you were trying to get relief from. addiction is also progressive, witch of course it gets worse and worse with time..

So as i said the brain logs and ranks dopamine releases.. by using a chemical like cocaine or methamphetamine, witch both have a Lipophilicity that allows them to rip through the blood brain barrier so unusually fast that it has been shown to actually create heat high enough to possible cause significant neurotoxicity and combining that with an IV administration that gets the whole dose of a drug to the barrier in a couple seconds and all at once pretty much, causes a huge dopamine release the is not only capable of causing addiction but it IMO will almost guarantee addiction with any sort of use at all.

Her is a little thread about addiction you should gander through as it a pretty complex beast.. the definition given in the beginning is pages long and completelly accurate. >addiction guide<

I havnet used IV coke in a good amount of time but there is almost no day that i dont think about it. And of course in the begining my story looked just like yours. Just someting to tak into consideration. I hope you are doing good tonight and I look forward to reading you thoughts on this

 

[dopemaster]

Yeah a couple times a week of IV coke sounds like your developing a bit of a habit.

I remember very much when I was "completely in control" of my drug use. It wasn't really until I ran out of money, dope or my connex went away on vacations at club fed and what not that I started feeling pretty shitty.

Its a slippery slope mate. I mean I was the exception until I wasn't. Maybe your the exception. More power to you if you are.

I am not trying to be a dick, but damn dude if you jetting up blow several times a week it will most likely progress to 3 or 4 day runs. When your money runs low you might find yourself doing things you didn't think you normally would. But hey maybe your not addicted. Who am I to judge.

Track marks are not sexy, except to junkie hoes that cling on to guys that have dope. And if your a woman men are the same way.

Slippery slope mate. Just my two cents. I guess what I am saying try to be honest with yourself. I really dunno if you are an addict, but you know if you are or not. I would suggest seeing how things go without the blow for a bit if you really are not addicted.

 

[Swam]

Here is another opinion on what addiction is for you to consider Swam..

Physical dependence is not being able to function normal with out it... addiction is a drive that comes from you unconscious.. it drives you to use the drug.. how often it drives a person to do it once addicted depends on how fast the circle through the cycle of addiction.. the two most addictive non RS drugs on the planet are methamphetamine and cocaine... and i will go out on a limb and say they are the most addictive substances on the planet out of everything.. and they dont cause physical dependence to any great degree.. and some addicts can go long periods of time with little or no problem.. then for some reason the drive will kick in and then it everything they can do not to do the drug.. .. you mind keeps track of and ranks dopamine releases.. in a non drug users brain large releases are naturally tied to behaviors and goals that are necessary for the continuation of the individual's life and the promotion of the species.. sex, eating, drinking water, ect.. and these big ones come with their own drive.. the drive to eat is hunger, drive to drink water is thirst, sex drives makes you want to get some loving..

When we introduce an addictive substance into this system we risk having it be logged into that system as something necessary for life and risk having a drive attached to it.. that drive is caused drug addiction.. and addicts can make it long periods of time in between use and function normally with out it.. then the itch, drive, jones, desire will hit and we fight it and try and arrest it.. this takes practice and so much work to be able to do.. and until someone is able to really change their whole life and thinking an addict will be forced to use to try and gain relief.. though this doesn't really provide much relief, because then the addiction goes into over drive and you find yourself being driven twice as hard as the level you were trying to get relief from. addiction is also progressive, witch of course it gets worse and worse with time..

So as i said the brain logs and ranks dopamine releases.. by using a chemical like cocaine or methamphetamine, witch both have a Lipophilicity that allows them to rip through the blood brain barrier so unusually fast that it has been shown to actually create heat high enough to possible cause significant neurotoxicity and combining that with an IV administration that gets the whole dose of a drug to the barrier in a couple seconds and all at once pretty much, causes a huge dopamine release the is not only capable of causing addiction but it IMO will almost guarantee addiction with any sort of use at all.

Her is a little thread about addiction you should gander through as it a pretty complex beast.. the definition given in the beginning is pages long and completelly accurate. >addiction guide<

I havnet used IV coke in a good amount of time but there is almost no day that i dont think about it. And of course in the begining my story looked just like yours. Just someting to tak into consideration. I hope you are doing good tonight and I look forward to reading you thoughts on this

Thanks, that is a really interesting view of addiction, one I did not consider. I am a philosophy major and can't help but to critically examine a couple of the parts.
"addiction is a drive that comes from you unconscious.. it drives you to use the drug.. how often it drives a person to do it once addicted depends on how fast the circle through the cycle of addiction..."- This seems reasonable, that the drive comes from the unconscious, though I think the latter portion is vague and gets into trouble, especially later on the description.
"When we introduce an addictive substance into this system we risk having it be logged into that system as something necessary for life and risk having a drive attached to it..."- I personally know this to be true, that our body can prescribe the trait of "necessary for life" to things which aren't. I have PTSD from abuse when I was younger. I get nightmares and I will get a ton of very unpleasant adrenalin, which is no longer necessary for living as it used to be, but my brain doesn't know that so it kicks in. Same thing if I have a flashback. Not fun.
"and addicts can make it long periods of time in between use and function normally with out it.. then the itch, drive, jones, desire will hit "- This is where the description starts to get too murky for my like. This combined with the previous 'how often it drives a person... depends on how fast the circle through the cycle of addiciton' makes me feel as if this description is allowing too many things to fall under the heading of "addiction."

To me, it is looking like many things can fall under the category of 'addiction' using this definition. Many times throughout our life we crave things, and simply can't get our minds off them and even when we do it, we can still have a strong desire to do it later. I already gave the example of a chocolate bar: a person can go weeks without one, but all of a sudden you can have a hankerin' for a chocolate and almound bar. Not just with food though, mind you. I'm an artist, and every once and a while I will have the drive to paint, just can't get it off my mind. So I'll paint for a while until I get it out of my system and be done with it. The desire comes back, sometimes faster than others. Sometimes I can get it off my mind, other times not. This can be the same with many things, such as taking a walk, seeing a friend, playing guitar, watching a show, etc.

I guess what I am trying to say is, that there are now two options, neither one do I have a problem with, but both options change what I believe the intent is of the provided definition of addiction.

Option 1: If the things such as a casual desire to walk, paint etc are things which fit under the definition of addiction provided and are things which are NOT considered addicting, then the definition provided is NOT correct.

Option 2: If things such as a casual desire to walk, paint, etc are things which fit under the definition of addiction provided and are things which ARE considered addicting, then the definition provided is correct. But if the definition provided is correct and things like a casual desire to walk, paint, etc are considered an addiction, then it seems addiction is not a bad thing and that everyone experiences it and it does not hinder a person at all and is just part of life. But it does not seem that addiction is not a bad thing and that it does not hinder a person and is just a part of life. So it seems like this definition of addiction is not what we consider addiction.

Proof:
Premises
1.AD->CD
2.CD->~AB
3.~~AB
Work
a.~CD Modus Tolens, 2 & 3
b. ~AD Modus Tolens a & 1
.:/ ~AD

It is true that "things such as a casual desire to walk, paint, etc are things which fit under the definition of addiction provided" are either things which ARE NOT considered addicting or ARE considered addicting. If the first is true and they ARE NOT considered to be addicting, then the definition is incorrect. If the second is true, and they ARE considered addicting, then by the proof given, as long as you agree with my third premise (that addiction is not not (~~) a bad thing (aka IS a bad thing), then the definition also doesn't work.

The only way one can say the definition does work is to deny 3 (that is to say, that addiction is not not not a bad thing [aka is not a bad thing]) and if a person denies premise three, then there is no weight to using addiction to disuade somebody to use a substance. But there IS weight to using addiction to disuade somebody to use a substance. Therefore you cannot deny premise 3.
Proof:
Premises
1. ~P3->~WA
2.WA
Work
a. WA=~~WA
b. ~~P3 Modus tolens a&1
c. ~~p3=P3
.:/ Premis 3

Anyway, those are my thoughts on it since you asked! But ya, tonight is doing good, 1:30am and just playing Fallout NV and watching Netflix. Thanks for your post by the way! Really gave me something to think about and was a great viewpoint to examine, much appreciation for your time!

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Yeah a couple times a week of IV coke sounds like your developing a bit of a habit.

I remember very much when I was "completely in control" of my drug use. It wasn't really until I ran out of money, dope or my connex went away on vacations at club fed and what not that I started feeling pretty shitty.

Its a slippery slope mate. I mean I was the exception until I wasn't. Maybe your the exception. More power to you if you are.

I am not trying to be a dick, but damn dude if you jetting up blow several times a week it will most likely progress to 3 or 4 day runs. When your money runs low you might find yourself doing things you didn't think you normally would. But hey maybe your not addicted. Who am I to judge.

Track marks are not sexy, except to junkie hoes that cling on to guys that have dope. And if your a woman men are the same way.

Slippery slope mate. Just my two cents. I guess what I am saying try to be honest with yourself. I really dunno if you are an addict, but you know if you are or not. I would suggest seeing how things go without the blow for a bit if you really are not addicted.

I havn't really had a drive to use yet, just been using in the middle of the night or home alone when I am bored and got nothing to do. I guess that is my way of saying I don't really have a habit of desire, though I have a habit to use (currently gone 4 days without it and don't really have and desire as of yet, though I have not tried to go four days without it, just been doing other things). From what you say it sounds like you were addicting when you thought you were completely in control, which I have been worrying that might happen to me. Thanks for that info, even though it is not what I wanted to hear (I'd rather have it be that you can know when you are addicted haha!).

"I was the exception until I wasn't" Damn, like I said, it is the answer to my question, just not what I would rather hear haha! I know track marks aren't exactly the current fad, but the kind of person I am interested in (and I don't want to come off like a hippy [though I have nothing against hippies]) I would believe would have an open mind about it.

Thanks again for your info though! I don't believe I am addicted, but I havn't gone more than 4 days without it so I don't know how I would react to a longer period, but so far I don't believe I am addicted.

Thanks everyone so far!

 

[neversickanymore]

Interesting points Swam.. I took logic as well and still like analyzing arguments.
It's an interesting argument.. but I think it is flawed and in fact a fallacy IMHO.

I think were the logic fails here is not in the fact that a person may become addicted to walking or painting.. but the argument fails to acknowledge that additions come in vastly different strengths.. and can be both good and bad. Another key thing It may not address is that a causal desire to walk or paint etc, is by no means an overwhelming compulsion to use a a powerful drug in higher and higher doses because of the natural phenomenon of tolerance.

On the other hand I am not saying you are addicted yet.. just dont want to see you get there.. and IMO one good bell ringer and we are there. Problem with addiction is that is permanent and much, much, much, stronger than a chocolate addiction. So this isn't something that it helps to learn a lesson on.. to avoid the nightmare of addition we must prevent it as its not curable at this point.

Do you feel those proofs still hold up to scrutiny given the thoughts I shared?

“I have absolutely no pleasure in the stimulants in which I sometimes so madly indulge. It has not been in the pursuit of pleasure that I have periled life and reputation and reason. It has been the desperate attempt to escape from torturing memories, from a sense of insupportable loneliness and a dread of some strange impending doom.”


― Edgar Allan Poe





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[Swam]

Interesting points Swam.. I took logic as well and still like analyzing arguments.
It's an interesting argument.. but I think it is flawed and in fact a fallacy IMHO.

I think were the logic fails here is not in the fact that a person may become addicted to walking or painting.. but the argument fails to acknowledge that additions come in vastly different strengths.. and can be both good and bad. Another key thing It may not address is that a causal desire to walk or paint etc, is by no means an overwhelming compulsion to use a a powerful drug in higher and higher doses because of the natural phenomenon of tolerance.

On the other hand I am not saying you are addicted yet.. just dont want to see you get there.. and IMO one good bell ringer and we are there. Problem with addiction is that is permanent and much, much, much, stronger than a chocolate addiction. So this isn't something that it helps to learn a lesson on.. to avoid the nightmare of addition we must prevent it as its not curable at this point.

Do you feel those proofs still hold up to scrutiny given the thoughts I shared?

“I have absolutely no pleasure in the stimulants in which I sometimes so madly indulge. It has not been in the pursuit of pleasure that I have periled life and reputation and reason. It has been the desperate attempt to escape from torturing memories, from a sense of insupportable loneliness and a dread of some strange impending doom.”


― Edgar Allan Poe





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Your scrutiny was exactly the point I was getting at. I feel that the definition of addiction is too broad, it includes "mild" addiction and "severe" addiction under the same headline, as well as murkying the waters between "good" addiction and "bad" addiction. I feel since that when people are most often talking about addiction, they are talking about a specific category of addiction, which is "severe" "bad" addiction, and while the given definition is an accurate definition of addiction, that in the case most people are talking about addiction these days, we need a definition that focuses on "sever, bad, addiction," in order to keep everyone on the same page and being able to relay meaning more efficiently.

 

[neversickanymore]

I went back and read through parts of the definition again and it does seem to destinguish between good and bad addictions. By using these parameters in the defintion of addiction it seemingly attempts to have behaviors such as painting and walking not included in addiction.

Addiction is characterized by2:

• Inability to consistently Abstain;
• Impairment in Behavioral control;
• Craving; or increased “hunger” for drugs or rewarding experiences;
• Diminished recognition of significant problems with one’s behaviors and interpersonal relationships; and
• A dysfunctional Emotional response.
• The power of external cues to trigger craving and drug use, as well as to increase the frequency of engagement in other potentially addictive behaviors, is also a characteristic of addiction, with the hippocampus being important in memory of previous euphoric or dysphoric experiences, and with the amygdala being important in having motivation concentrate on selecting behaviors associated with these past experiences.

Behavioral manifestations and complications of addiction, primarily due to impaired control, can include:

• Excessive use and/or engagement in addictive behaviors, at higher frequencies and/or quantities than the person intended, often associated with a persistent desire for and unsuccessful attempts at behavioral control;
• Excessive time lost in substance use or recovering from the effects of substance use and/or engagement in addictive behaviors, with significant adverse impact on social and occupational functioning (e.g. the development of interpersonal relationship problems or the neglect of responsibilities at home, school or work);
• Continued use and/or engagement in addictive behaviors, despite the presence of persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problems which may have been caused or exacerbated by substance use and/or related addictive behaviors;
• A narrowing of the behavioral repertoire focusing on rewards that are part of addiction; and
• An apparent lack of ability and/or readiness to take consistent, ameliorative action despite recognition of problems.

so even though we may experience a drive to do these activities until they meet or cause these then they dont meet the definition of addiction..

So does it apeare to you that they made an attempt to address this issue.. also please click on the source for the definition as all of what I posted above is part of the definition even though it may seem to be separate... addiction is allot more complex than i originally though so I no longer hold such a big definition against them.

 

[dopemaster]

I am just gonna point out some obvious thing about blow real quick.

First off it really fucks up the reward center in your brain. It also evokes some part of your brain associated with love. I've seen some long term users who are really fucked up in the head and cannot function well in adult relationships.

Its really fucking addicting. Just thinking about it including reading this post and responding to it makes part of me remember the good ol' days which where actually pretty shitty. I really do put up a mental fortress around my thoughts about using. Right now I am staring out the window thinking about what a nice day it is today.

Its a C2 in America which has some pretty damn harsh penalties. So try not to get arrested and if you do, I would recommend evoking the 5th amendment. Its also very expensive. More often than not even the upper class has turned to flipping a lil dope to support their habit. (like the current president of the United States of America) I am not really sure how that never came back to haunt him because all he said when asked by a reporter was "well, its not like I am proud of it." I guess he was honest and nipped it in the bud and besides he was a kid at the time, but you get my point I hope.

Its a drug you will most likely think about for the rest of your life from time to time. When I quit I decided to block out of my mind remembering how it feels. That being said at the most random time thoughts of using pop in to my head. Sometimes at not so random times like if I have drank heavily and people are doing small amount of shite blow and offer me a tiny free line and if I take it I will probly end up spending money with people I don't know by the end of the night. People been have known to relapse after ten or even fifteen years of it.

Finally I cannot tell you how many people I know that are doing or done hard time over this substance, mainly due to addiction and habituation. I had a friend who came into some money who was a relatively sparatic user. Well he went thru a lot of money and has since pretty much lived in prisons, hospitals, half-way houses, mental wards, and on the street. He probably has a genius level IQ or at least damn close and he usually resorts to petty theft and the like on a daily basis. His first theft victims were his family and friends. I do not really speak to this man anymore and its probably the most tragic case of drug addiction I have seen in my life. I would rather not go into details but its really fucking ugly story.

I am not really knocking coke. I have always really enjoyed using it. A lot. I just think it deserves a lot more respect than your giving it.

There is a reason that people make fun of crack heads who beg for change and suck dick for one rock or less more often than not. I seen it. I know you do not picture yourself as that person OP but its quite possible to become that person. I do not think anyone decided that one day they were going to be a crackhead or IV drug user. It just kinda progressed to that point.

As for myself I know this I am not gonna use cocaine today. I take something like that one day at a time. Its the easiest way to do something or not do it. As much as I hate to quote anything AA/NA related. One day at a time. But that can apply to a lot of problems in life.

OP you see like an intelligent person seeing as how you have wrote a couple essays based on scientific evidence on a fucking web forum to justify your arguments. Give it a couple weeks or months and you might find your life is better off without some things.

Also most the people that come along with cocaine are just awful. They will steal from you. They will snitch on you to get themselves out of trouble. They will pinch your bag. Well you get the idea.

 

[DragonFly31]

I know track marks aren't exactly the current fad, but the kind of person I am interested in (and I don't want to come off like a hippy [though I have nothing against hippies]) I would believe would have an open mind about it.

... I am sorry to break up this interesting discussion on addiction, but did you just say that you believe that the person you are sexually interested in would find your track marks and be OK with it???!

No one but hardcore junkies like track marks. So unless she belongs in that category, you can put a cross on it...

 

[Reverend Random]

Without having read the whole thread, can I just point that the question "Why am I not getting addicted, am I different?" (sorry to paraphrase it like that) sends all kinds of alarm bells ringing. For most of the people I know, that's exactly how and where it starts. Reread a lot of posts here on Bluelight by people who said just that and look where they end up some months later. I'm not trying to judge here, but doing coke IV a few days a week and especially out of boredom is a pretty bad idea... Because, you know, pretty soon everything might just become boring with it. And at any rate, someone else already pointed that "I used to be the exception until I wasn't it." That about sums it up.

Good luck dude, and don't try to overanalyze it. It's also an escape route for you to rationalize your behaviour.

 

[Hammilton]

If you're continuing to do it, you have a drive to do it. You wouldn't bother otherwise.

The idea that cocaine and meth are the two most addictive substances isn't exactly true. Addiction rates for opioid users are far higher than for stimulant users, meaning, if you are prescribed opioids you are far more likely to develop an addiction than if you were prescribed a stimulant.

The fact that you're continually using a substance means you're already moving along the path of addiction. It's no fun. Stop now. We all want to believe that we can continually use whatever and avoid addiction. That's not true though. Some of us develop functional addictions and never fail at life as a result, but we're still addicted.

I've never missed a day of work because of my drug habit, but if I don't have the right pills I'll start freaking out and searching every crevice one might have fallen.

I can't count the number of dreams I've had about finding drugs when I was running out.

 

[neversickanymore]

I would like to see data that compares IV use of cocaine, meth, and herion and see witch one is the most addicting.. In almost every source I have seen crack and herion are pretty much equal.. and as any one that knows, knows, a crack hit isn't as strong as main line strong cocain.. so I think that allot of things would have to be taken into consideration to determine that herion is more addictive than IV cocaine..

But the use of an opiat every day for a bit will also produce the physical dependence to opiates and this will push addiction.. I Just wonder sometimes how many people develop a physical dependence to opiates but never end up getting the psychological addiction to them. So once they get clean they dont have much trouble staying clean.

I would also put cocaethylene as fighting for the most addictive substance on the planet with nicotine.

Here are some lists.. I couldn't find a very good list that shoed soureces to well though..

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/addiction/addiction_journal1.shtml http://www.ranker.com/list/the-most-addictive-drugs/prescription-drugs-list?format=SLIDESHOW&page=4

and that last list has drugs in it that i dont think are addictive at all and claiming they have a 32% rate.. sorry but I have never even met someone who is addicted to LSD..

 

[bronson]

Moving this Homeless --> OD

 

[Reverend Random]

Well, if we're talking addictive substances, I am pretty convinced that nicotine (or tobacco) takes the cake as single most addictive substance (i.e. hardest to kick). I know plenty of heroin users who've kicked H but are still smoking cigarettes relentlessly. Although that's hardly the point in this thread.

Btw, neversickanymore: I think it's pretty established that the ROA is a very important determinant in how addictive something is. The quicker higher concentrations of a substance reach your brain, the more rewarding and more habit-forming it is. At least, that's how I perceive it. That's also why doing meth orally - which is the most common route for those few meth users in my country use - is not nearly as addictive as smoking or IV-ing it.

 

[livedit]

this is what's going to happen. something real bad is going to happen in your life, something you never imagined, the way bad shit happens in everyone's life, the minute it happens you will turn to the coke for relief, because nothing will give you more relief than the coke, this is where it will take over your life and you will not be able to tame the tiger, no one is ever able to. you are no special case; kings and the greatest of warrior have crumbled in front of it, you are not an exception.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Addiction isn't something that just happens overnight.. it doesn't just pop into existence. It's a progression...

If you think you can IV coke and not become addicted or are already not addicted, you're deluding yourself.

You're trying so hard to prove to yourself and to us you're not addicted... but if you weren't you wouldn't bother, you'd just go on using every once in a while.. not make this post.

IV cocaine especially, is one of the most, if not the most addicting thing on earth... it puts the addiction associated with heroin to shame.

So, buckle up.. because if you keep doing this, despite you justifying it and saying "you're only going to shoot coke once in a while" (which by the way, is basically an oxymoron) you're in for a really fucked up and miserable ride.

 

[neversickanymore]

Well said MR. S.!!