Mental Health Non ssris for depression?

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Going to the drs on monday to try to do something about my latest bipolar depression and anxiety. Don't really have very high hopes tho as far as medication specifically ssris. Does anyone have any experiences with anything other than an ssri that worked for them?
 
Can you elaborate on your symptoms?

A lot of antidepressants indicated for major depression can induce (hypo)mania in some cases, and this is more likely for those who seem to be bipolar. Some even consider a (hypo)manic response to an antidepressant response as sufficient evidence to make a bipolar diagnosis. So some practitioners might be reluctant to prescribe an SSRI or certain other antidepressants without some kind of mood stabilizer. I had (hypo)manic reactions to SSRIs and that was what led me to be eventually diagnosed as bipolar II... almost exclusively depressed, without medication.

Wellbutrin might be useful if you are unmotivated and lethargic. It is an NDRI; kind of like a stimulant. It has worked well for me for the past year.

Lamictal is a mood stabilizer that's supposed to be good for bipolar depression... I titrated up too fast and felt suicidal after jumping from 50 mg to 100 mg. I stopped taking it for a while, then restarted and have been increasing the dose much more slowly... no problems yet, but no clear evidence of benefits yet either.

Abilify is an atypical antipsychotic that is also a partial agonist at some dopamine and serotonin receptors. It does not have the same sedating effects and is supposed to help with depression; it's approved as an add-on for another antidepressant as well as for controlling bipolar mania and schizophrenia. I've tried it a few times and always found it to be activating during the first few weeks, but that effect never lasted long it results in akathisia for me.

I currently take a low dose of Zoloft along with Wellbutrin and Lamictal and it helps with mood a little bit. However it gives me insomnia and right now I am trying to find a way to make things work. I expect I'll have to give up the Zoloft soon.

To deal with the insomnia, I was given Seroquel XR, another atypical antipsychotic, which is supposed to be effective for treating both bipolar depression and mania. It was extremely sedating - too much for my current workload, so I stopped taking it after four days. It was nice to finally get a good eight (well, more like 12) hours of sleep... If I had more time to sleep I would have stayed on it to see if the excess somnolence would go away; my mood was good and I felt a mild buzz while I was taking it. Yesterday I was prescribed instant release Seroquel, but last night it didn't work so well; I felt extremely tired and intoxicated, almost like being awake on Ambien, yet was restless once I got in bed and barely slept all night (giving up around 4 am). Maybe it's some kind of akathisia? Tonight I took a lower dose and it's just now starting to kick in; my feet feel slightly tingly.

I have also tried Emsam, an MAOI. It is contraindicated with many other drugs (including Wellbutrin and Adderall/Vyvanse which I use) so i had to stop taking those. I gave it about 3 or 4 weeks, but it wasn't improving my mood at all, and was actually more depressed and less energetic. I'm not sure if it actually had an effect on mood, or if I was having problems because I had top stop taking Wellbutrin.

I've taken tianeptine, supposedly an SSRE, but with little effect. Very slight mood elevation, but a bit of anxiety when it wears off. Some people find it euphoric, but not me.

Other potential drugs of interest: mirtazapine, more MAOIs, tricyclic antidepressants, a few unique antidepressants that were never marketed in the US, using stimulants to treat depression, using opioids to treat depression, various psych meds that are indicated for things other than depression...
 
I highly reccomend mirtazipine, it stopped my chronic, suicidal depression, and it's also a potent sleep aid, if you struggle with that. It's a crazily effective appetite stimulator too if you struggle with that. (I don't and have gained quite a bit of weight) Other ssris can make it hard to sleep.

Just be careful in your decision because a lot of people have found it very hard to come off their ssri's. I wish you luck mate, bipolar is a horrible condition.
 
I've tried about everything everyone's mentioned so far and it's either made me worse or I didn't care for the side effects. And all the newer medication and stuff like Abilify and Seroquel isn't covered under my welfare insurance. As far as opioid treatment I've never heard of any doctors at least in the U.S. doing that. Tramadol is something I was interested in before since I read that it had some SRI properties but I don't see my doctor prescribing me that. Hell, now most won't even give you anything besides extra strength ibuprofen if you hurt yourself. But it may be just as well because it would be easy for me to abuse something like that.

As far as my symptoms, pretty much everything that goes along with bipolar II, GAD, OCD and ADD. At times I've wondered if I'm not BPD too but that's another story. But anyways my bipolar is typically more on the depressive side but I've noticed as it's progressed I've had some more hypomanic/manic symptoms. Typically tho depression, irritability, anxiety, insomnia etc. Don't care to type out everything as it would be about a page long.
 
I highly reccomend mirtazipine, it stopped my chronic, suicidal depression, and it's also a potent sleep aid, if you struggle with that. It's a crazily effective appetite stimulator too if you struggle with that. (I don't and have gained quite a bit of weight) Other ssris can make it hard to sleep.

Just be careful in your decision because a lot of people have found it very hard to come off their ssri's. I wish you luck mate, bipolar is a horrible condition.

Thanks. I tried Remeron before but it made me want to sleep all day, and at night it gave really fucked up dreams and in a few cases sleep paralysis. Sucked because it did seem to help my mood but the side effects just weren't worth it.
 
How long were you taking remeron for? It made me pretty sleepy but after a while it was not too bad. Sinequan was worse for morning grogginess, and at the time my son was a newborn so I couldn't handle it. I've been on so many meds I can't remember them all. But like someone else mentioned, SSRI's made my bipolar symptoms worse, like I was hyper and couldn't sleep for days.

It's so much a crapshoot for me finding the right mix. Seroquel was awful and I had very bad side effects. Risperdol was not bad, I had little side effects but like Seroquel, it made my blood pressure real high. I found amitriptyline agreeable along with lamictal.

One thing my sister had the same problem with her insurance not paying for her meds. There is a way you can contact the manufacturer and they can give them to you free of charge. Next time I speak with her, I will ask how she does this. It could take some time but don't give up! <3
 
I don't remember about the remeron, probably at least 2 weeks. Even without the sedation tho I didn't care to go to bed every night knowing I was going to have night terrors. Prozac actually was probably the best thing I ever took as far as really helping the depression, but again I didn't care for the fact it made me not feel anything sexually. Maybe if I was 70 or something I wouldn't care.
 
Well, got a referral to some counseling although I'm not sure yet because my dr needs to see about my welfare insurance. I don't have the money to pay for it on my own with the limited income I get. Also got an rx for Effexor I can call in but I'm not sure if I feel like going that route yet. Blah.
 
Well, got a referral to some counseling although I'm not sure yet because my dr needs to see about my welfare insurance. I don't have the money to pay for it on my own with the limited income I get. Also got an rx for Effexor I can call in but I'm not sure if I feel like going that route yet. Blah.

What dose of Effexor? XR? I'm taking Pristiq (desvenlafaxine), which is a synthetic version of the primary active metabolite of Effexor and I think it is pretty phenomenal stuff. I had tried Prozac, Paxil, Lexepro, Celexa... SSRIs are pretty useless for me. Pristiq is my first SNRI and in combination with Remeron (a combo known as California Rocket Fuel) it really does the trick.
 
I'm not sure yet... Basically he just made it available but I would have to call in to the drs office first to know the specifics.
 
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If you are bipolar you should be trying a mood stabiliser like lithium carbonate or depakote (valproate semisodium) as your first step. Antidepressants may be indicated later.
 
I don't think Lamictal or Depakote are covered with my insurance. I don't know about lithium. But at this point I just feel like what's the use. Might as well just drink and at least have my own personality and a working dick.
 
I don't have any specific suggestions, I just want to say that I know how frustrating it is. I watched my son go though countless prescriptions for anxiety/depression. Prozac, zoloft, lexapro, buspirone, welbutrin, clonidine, amitryptaline, gabapentin, all sorts of benzodiazepines. Most didn't seem to work at all, some helped a little but with intolerable side effects, some worked at first but then stopped working several months later. He eventually just quit out of frustration and delved even deeper into things that might have provided temporary relief probably made his problems worse.

I'm dealing with the same thing right now. It's unreal how ineffective psychiatric drugs for conditions as common as depression are in 2013. I find myself seeing a psychiatrist for a few months, quitting out of despair, and then going back when things turn so bad that I'm afraid of waking up.

I don't want to encourage you to give up on treatment because I do know several people that have benefited enormously from SSRIs and other things. Also, bipolar disorder is a different animal that might benefit from things that aren't appropriate for non-bipolar depression. I just want to say you're certainly not alone in feeling that way.
 
Thanks, yeah it's stupid that there aren't better drugs out there. Although lobotomies were still being performed 50 years ago. Psychiatry is actually pretty damn new if you think about it. Oh well, we'll see what happens.
 
I don't think Lamictal or Depakote are covered with my insurance. I don't know about lithium. But at this point I just feel like what's the use. Might as well just drink and at least have my own personality and a working dick.

As far as I am aware, lithium and depakote don't have any adverse effects which affect sexual function.

I am not sure with lamictal as I haven't had personal experience with it.

Antidepressants are the medications which most often affect sexual function. And are not necessary - the mood stabilizer on its own may be enough to help you a lot.
 
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