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I had an auto accident two and half years ago and had multiple serious fractures including vertebrae that will require another (hopefully final surgery). I dislocated my jaw and shoulder. I also broke my jaw, four ribs, collarbone, pelvis, two lumbar vertebrae and tibia. I had multiple organ injuries. This occurred in Germany and I was literally hit by a Russian bus. I spent two weeks in a German hospital and they did a great job, but they were very stingy with the analgesia (they did not understand comfortable, their standard was bearable!!). I guess I should not be surprised since Germany is the birthplace of Nietzsche (“what does not kill you makes you stronger”). I am an American who has had business in the UK for twenty years and actually had a private UK Doctor. I used an air ambulance to go to the UK into her the care . She put me on 60 mg of OxyContin twice a day with 10 mg OxyNorm (instant release) for bleed through pain. I progressed well but still required serious medication. I also was up to 160 of the Oxy’s I then discovered that I was getting divorced so I had to return home. I found a highly recommended American Doctor who is more then happy to do the surgery but not until I got my “issue” under control, I was sent to a pain management doctor and I have ultimately seen three, they have all told me that I needed an addiction specialist. I was candid and told them that I had been a recovering alcoholic (29 years and still have not taken a drink but I have thrown that away) and that I was aware that I was abusing my medication. I consciously took more to catch a buzz. I was prescribed 60 mg OxyContin twice a day and up to 40 mg of OxyNorm.
I found a non-professional source stateside and was up to 240-320mg per day and a 5- 10 Norco’s. It was due to the pain of both my injury and the end of a twenty- year marriage. This is not an excuse for my addiction it is merely an explanation This scared me so, I have stopped the Oxy by reducing to zero over a two month time period with tramadol and Norco’s. I got up 50 to 60 10/325 Norco’s to feel normal (except for the carpel tunnel I am developing grinding them in a mortar and pestle to do them all by CWE (cold water extraction). I am now down to 35 Norco’s and ready to “jump off”
I am not at all interested in Rapid Detox due to my age and the ambivalent opinions. I went to a highly recommended Addiction specialist and discussed the inpatient Detox that would be 5 to 7 days. I was told that “ due to my social economic background that the local facility would not be appropriate”. I am no better or worse then the homeless junkie banging balloons under a bridge. If anything I am worse because I have privilege and have been very lucky in so many ways. I am supposed to be the arrogant one. I cannot go into a 30-60 day treatment program because I have joint custody of my youngest. He prescribed me 2mg Suboxone and told me to wait 24 hours and then take a strip and wait an hour and take another until I got comfortable. I went 24 hours after my last dose of Norco cold turkey and it was unmitigated hell. This was at about 50 CWE Norco's a day without clonidine or Gabapentin.
( I have a modest ( Narcos vs Heroin,Oxy and Methedone) addiction compared to what some have on this forum) I was terrified of precipitated withdrawal and I scored in only single digits on the COWS, while being in a full-blown panic attack. I am a bit gutless and weak so I folded and took 15 Norco to “get right.”
I would like to try and do this without having to do the whole Sub thing. It scares me but I may not be able to make the stark transition and would rather do the Sub then fall back into the pit
I did some more thinking and based on what I have read in this forum I have assembled a program to try and Detox without going on Suboxone
maintenance, since the 35 Norco’s I take a day is a pittance compared to what you other folks have endured I have been given the courage to try I have assembled an arsenal to see if I can get this done. For the last week I have been taking these Amino Acids, Minerals and Vitamins to help rebalance my brain chemistry.
Inventory OTC
1. Chelated Magnesium 250 mg. have taken twice a day for the last week.
2. Potassium 100 mg x 2 a day for the last week
3. L-Glutamine w/ 5 mg B6 – 1000 mg in AM on empty stomach
4. L-Methionine 500mg twice a day for the last week
5. L-Tyrosine 1000mg in AM for the last week
6. Fish Oil (omega 3) once a day
7. Stress B complex
8. A.C.E. Vitamins
9. 300- 2mg Loperamide which I will not take until 36 hours in case I take the Suboxone route.
Inventory Prescription
1. Clonodine- .1 mg - 150 tabs
2. Tramadol 50 mg. tabs -100 tabs
3. Valium 10 mg. tabs 20
4. Gabapentin 300 mg 50 caps
5. Tizanidine 4mg . 20
6. Trazadone 100 mg -50 tabs
7. Ambien 12 tabs but a little old
8. Suboxone 30- 2mg.
I have made some Vegetable soup, Chicken Noodle, have a case of Quinine water ( hydration and RLS) and Electrolyte waters. I have downloaded all of MadMen which I have not seen . I have told everyone I’m out of town and have no signal in the mountains. I have obtained a Blood Pressure machine to check for Hypotension. I don’t drink (ironic huh) and stopped enjoying weed in law school. Any ideas?
I am beginning my “attempt” on Saturday
Saturday - I am starting with .1 to.2 mg Clonidine four times a day
to a max of 1mg Gabapentin 300 mg twice.
Sunday -.1-.2 mg Clonidine four times a day to a max of 1.2 mg Gabapentin 300 mg three times a day.
Monday I will adjust to try to find comfort. I will use half doses of Valium and tizanidine and try to avoid respitory arrest and or Cardiac collapse. I plan on muddling through until the next Saturday and then taper off the Clonidine and Gabapentin
Sorry for the long-winded lead in, I do have questions.
1. If after 72 hours I took just a 2 mg. Suboxone once would it speed my withdrawal? My understanding is it locks up the receptors
2. Does anyone have any suggestions about how I could make it smoother with my list of withdrawal condiments.
3. Though I appreciate the enlightened concept of “harm reduction” and the use of Suboxone. I really don’t like the idea of maintenance. Does transitioning from one drug to another really make sense if I am prepared to go the route including the taper down from the Clonidine and Gabapentin.
4. Would I be best switching to the Suboxone maintenance to heal a bit and not fail due to cravings and PAWS?
Lastly, I appreciate you folks that take the time to share your experiences any input would be welcome.
I found a non-professional source stateside and was up to 240-320mg per day and a 5- 10 Norco’s. It was due to the pain of both my injury and the end of a twenty- year marriage. This is not an excuse for my addiction it is merely an explanation This scared me so, I have stopped the Oxy by reducing to zero over a two month time period with tramadol and Norco’s. I got up 50 to 60 10/325 Norco’s to feel normal (except for the carpel tunnel I am developing grinding them in a mortar and pestle to do them all by CWE (cold water extraction). I am now down to 35 Norco’s and ready to “jump off”
I am not at all interested in Rapid Detox due to my age and the ambivalent opinions. I went to a highly recommended Addiction specialist and discussed the inpatient Detox that would be 5 to 7 days. I was told that “ due to my social economic background that the local facility would not be appropriate”. I am no better or worse then the homeless junkie banging balloons under a bridge. If anything I am worse because I have privilege and have been very lucky in so many ways. I am supposed to be the arrogant one. I cannot go into a 30-60 day treatment program because I have joint custody of my youngest. He prescribed me 2mg Suboxone and told me to wait 24 hours and then take a strip and wait an hour and take another until I got comfortable. I went 24 hours after my last dose of Norco cold turkey and it was unmitigated hell. This was at about 50 CWE Norco's a day without clonidine or Gabapentin.
( I have a modest ( Narcos vs Heroin,Oxy and Methedone) addiction compared to what some have on this forum) I was terrified of precipitated withdrawal and I scored in only single digits on the COWS, while being in a full-blown panic attack. I am a bit gutless and weak so I folded and took 15 Norco to “get right.”
I would like to try and do this without having to do the whole Sub thing. It scares me but I may not be able to make the stark transition and would rather do the Sub then fall back into the pit
I did some more thinking and based on what I have read in this forum I have assembled a program to try and Detox without going on Suboxone
maintenance, since the 35 Norco’s I take a day is a pittance compared to what you other folks have endured I have been given the courage to try I have assembled an arsenal to see if I can get this done. For the last week I have been taking these Amino Acids, Minerals and Vitamins to help rebalance my brain chemistry.
Inventory OTC
1. Chelated Magnesium 250 mg. have taken twice a day for the last week.
2. Potassium 100 mg x 2 a day for the last week
3. L-Glutamine w/ 5 mg B6 – 1000 mg in AM on empty stomach
4. L-Methionine 500mg twice a day for the last week
5. L-Tyrosine 1000mg in AM for the last week
6. Fish Oil (omega 3) once a day
7. Stress B complex
8. A.C.E. Vitamins
9. 300- 2mg Loperamide which I will not take until 36 hours in case I take the Suboxone route.
Inventory Prescription
1. Clonodine- .1 mg - 150 tabs
2. Tramadol 50 mg. tabs -100 tabs
3. Valium 10 mg. tabs 20
4. Gabapentin 300 mg 50 caps
5. Tizanidine 4mg . 20
6. Trazadone 100 mg -50 tabs
7. Ambien 12 tabs but a little old
8. Suboxone 30- 2mg.
I have made some Vegetable soup, Chicken Noodle, have a case of Quinine water ( hydration and RLS) and Electrolyte waters. I have downloaded all of MadMen which I have not seen . I have told everyone I’m out of town and have no signal in the mountains. I have obtained a Blood Pressure machine to check for Hypotension. I don’t drink (ironic huh) and stopped enjoying weed in law school. Any ideas?
I am beginning my “attempt” on Saturday
Saturday - I am starting with .1 to.2 mg Clonidine four times a day
to a max of 1mg Gabapentin 300 mg twice.
Sunday -.1-.2 mg Clonidine four times a day to a max of 1.2 mg Gabapentin 300 mg three times a day.
Monday I will adjust to try to find comfort. I will use half doses of Valium and tizanidine and try to avoid respitory arrest and or Cardiac collapse. I plan on muddling through until the next Saturday and then taper off the Clonidine and Gabapentin
Sorry for the long-winded lead in, I do have questions.
1. If after 72 hours I took just a 2 mg. Suboxone once would it speed my withdrawal? My understanding is it locks up the receptors
2. Does anyone have any suggestions about how I could make it smoother with my list of withdrawal condiments.
3. Though I appreciate the enlightened concept of “harm reduction” and the use of Suboxone. I really don’t like the idea of maintenance. Does transitioning from one drug to another really make sense if I am prepared to go the route including the taper down from the Clonidine and Gabapentin.
4. Would I be best switching to the Suboxone maintenance to heal a bit and not fail due to cravings and PAWS?
Lastly, I appreciate you folks that take the time to share your experiences any input would be welcome.
