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Try romancing her. Search the net for articles on adding romance to a marriage. You need to make her feel special and desirable before she'll be in the mood for sex. It's a lot of work and it sucks that most married women don't work like we do as far as wanting it. Then see how the sex is. You'll need to make the investment with uncertain results in order to know if that's been what's missing for her.

Once the romance has improved for her, don't wait and expect the sex to be spontaneous. For two working parents you need to schedule sex dates in advance. Start by scheduling short ones, not multi-hour sessions. Good luck!!
 
Why would you prefer to sit around and wait for the girl to come to you? What makes you that special?
I never said I thought I was that special...I did however elude to the fact that I have been putting in all the effort. I am of the opinion that relationships are give and take.
 
Try romancing her. Search the net for articles on adding romance to a marriage. You need to make her feel special and desirable before she'll be in the mood for sex. It's a lot of work and it sucks that most married women don't work like we do as far as wanting it. Then see how the sex is. You'll need to make the investment with uncertain results in order to know if that's been what's missing for her.

Once the romance has improved for her, don't wait and expect the sex to be spontaneous. For two working parents you need to schedule sex dates in advance. Start by scheduling short ones, not multi-hour sessions. Good luck!!
Thanks for the input...that's what I will have to do. Searching the Internet for articles on this subject is what led me to this post. The majority of article outline all the additional things the husband can do for the wife (with uncertain results). When my wife asks for me to work on something I certainly put at least SOME effort into it whether it is important to me or not....because it's important to her. It makes me feel like she disregards my feelings on this issue.
 
Is it? There's a whole lot of other things men have going that women don't and vice versa.

We were biologically designed to be the hunters going after prey.

thats a wee bit ridiculous. first off, who is "we"? this kind of leaves women out of this discussion. dont you think that is a pretty male-centric argument to make?

women are just as capable hunters as men. in some tribal / primitive societies, women are the primary hunters and trappers. women have a higher threshold for pain then men (intense martial arts training will teach you this), typically have greater endurance, and generally have greater longevity.

patriarchal civilization disempowers women and relegates them to social positions which encourage a predatory relationship between men and women. i feel that declaring it a biological design is ignorant.

most people are biologically evolved to be susceptible to far reaching, manufactured popular opinions and coercions on monogamy, child rearing, ownership of spouses and children, and formulated gender and household roles. most people are biologically evolved to obey a strong influence.

oh and yeah, this:

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The Multi Orgasmic Couple

Ignore the corny description, tis an advert for puritanical Westerners. Really its a 3000+ year old science and has been a normal way of life for millions of people for eons.
 
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Another fun fact on those lines, women tend to be better shots with a firearm than men, something to do with increased hand steadiness due to the lack of testosterone.... or the presence of estrogen maybe, I forget which. Might also apply to archery too, don't remember that either.
 
thats completely ridiculous. first off, who is "we"? how male-centric is your universe that you can completely leave women out of this discussion?

women are just as capable hunters as men. in some tribal / primitive societies, women are the primary hunters and trappers. women have a higher threshold for pain then men, typically have greater endurance, and generally have greater longevity.

patriarchal civilization disempowers women and relegates them to social positions which encourage a predatory relationship between men and women. to say its a biological design is beyond ignorant.

most people are biologically evolved to be susceptible to far reaching, manufactured popular opinions and coercions on monogamy, child rearing, ownership of spouses and children, and formulated gender and household roles. most people are biologically evolved to obey a strong influence.

oh and yeah, this:

169859.jpg


The Multi Orgasmic Couple

Ignore the corny description, tis an advert for puritanical Westerners. Really its a 3000+ year old science and has been a normal way of life for millions of people for eons.
It would be great if she would put a little effort into this and read a book like this!
 
have you thought that perhaps, you havent given her the proper inspiration? maybe you havent shown her the wonderous end goal she should be reaching for? maybe in her mind, its fun, its nice, but its not the most captivating experience in the world or anything, and there are so many other things fighting to stay in focus in her mind.

how would she know what book to read? how would she know shes supposed to just go read a book? how would she know which direction, or on what front she should be putting this alleged effort she is lacking? have you opened her mind to literature, or do you just express discontent with not getting what you want?

perhaps its very easy for your body to decide it wants something, and to maintain hold of that thought process until it gets what it wants. perhaps she is more complex than that. perhaps shes not fully certain of what she wants in that regard, and perhaps her body has many other things it wants to think about.

have the two of you practiced meditating together ever? a lover of mine and i had difficulty finding the right inspiration to spontaneously have sex for several years, and we finally boiled it down to lack of presence. i always was "ready to go," and she wanted to be, but her mind was always crushed by work related obligations and maintaining a business. she tried very hard to be physically expressive, but would get depressed cuz she couldnt feel sexual desire for anyone for more than a few fleeting moments. modern people especially have a difficult time staying mentally present for extended periods of time (social media, technology allowing more things to be done in a day, more complex responsibilities, etc...). the act of training your mind to think about nothing at all will vastly increase your ability to stay present or focused. this allowed my lover to realize she simply wasnt putting much mental effort into staying present enough to stay turned on throughout foreplay (her life was crazy complex at the time, this problem extended way beyond sex, but affected all aspects of her social life). simply realizing that her mind is always bouncing around like a monkey helped her understand the problem, and she could then begin disciplining her thoughts to become more, lets say, situationally appropriate. so deep breathing exercises, where you try to think of few things as possible, really help with this sort of problem, plus it makes you healthier all around.

so sure, maybe yall put the kids to bed, or got a baby sitter, and are doin the couples getaway thing, creating the physical space and all that. that doesnt mean your wife has the mental space clear. she may not, and you may not, know how to regulate the mind so it stays present in the moment, instead of running around to every anxiety inducing thought it can find.

also, using terms like "effort" or otherwise blaming her for not behaving in a way that you think is correct is probably a massive turn off. even if youre not saying it to her, youre thinking it inside, so the cells in your body are projecting such an energy. youre turning it into an obligation and responsibility on her part, sort of like changing diapers or paying your taxes. instead of thinking of it as lack of effort on her part, think of it as lack of inspiration on your part. it doesnt mean your sexual prowess isnt enough for her or something, its just competing with a lot of other frequencies. you might need to put more effort into inspiring her. maybe you need to take more time off from your sex life with her, and channel that energy into healing her and finding out what other needs of hers need to be met. when was the last time you cooked her favorite meal for her, cleaned all the dishes, and gave her a foot rub, and then asked her what else would make her feel more comfortable in life, without any expectation of anything sexual happening?


I'd say this is getting off subject at this point.

is it? someone suggested that a man's role in this universe is to be some sort of hunter, and that a woman's role is to be hunted. i object to such a notion, and suggest otherwise, in the hopes that you dont continue such an awkward, limited, and oppressive view of the world. i have a strong feeling that you wont get what you want that way.
 
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have you thought that perhaps, you havent given her the proper inspiration? maybe you havent shown her the wonderous end goal she should be reaching for? maybe in her mind, its fun, its nice, but its not the most captivating experience in the world or anything, and there are so many other things fighting to stay in focus in her mind.

how would she know what book to read? how would she know shes supposed to just go read a book? how would she know which direction, or on what front she should be putting this alleged effort she is lacking? have you opened her mind to literature, or do you just express discontent with not getting what you want?

perhaps its very easy for your body to decide it wants something, and to maintain hold of that thought process until it gets what it wants. perhaps she is more complex than that. perhaps shes not fully certain of what she wants in that regard, and perhaps her body has many other things it wants to think about.

have the two of you practiced meditating together ever? a lover of mine and i had difficulty finding the right inspiration to spontaneously have sex for several years, and we finally boiled it down to lack of presence. i always was "ready to go," and she wanted to be, but her mind was always crushed by work related obligations and maintaining a business. she tried very hard to be physically expressive, but would get depressed cuz she couldnt feel sexual desire for anyone for more than a few fleeting moments. modern people especially have a difficult time staying mentally present for extended periods of time (social media, technology allowing more things to be done in a day, more complex responsibilities, etc...). the act of training your mind to think about nothing at all will vastly increase your ability to stay present or focused. this allowed my lover to realize she simply wasnt putting much mental effort into staying present enough to stay turned on throughout foreplay (her life was crazy complex at the time, this problem extended way beyond sex, but affected all aspects of her social life). simply realizing that her mind is always bouncing around like a monkey helped her understand the problem, and she could then begin disciplining her thoughts to become more, lets say, situationally appropriate. so deep breathing exercises, where you try to think of few things as possible, really help with this sort of problem, plus it makes you healthier all around.

so sure, maybe yall put the kids to bed, or got a baby sitter, and are doin the couples getaway thing, creating the physical space and all that. that doesnt mean your wife has the mental space clear. she may not, and you may not, know how to regulate the mind so it stays present in the moment, instead of running around to every anxiety inducing thought it can find.

also, using terms like "effort" or otherwise blaming her for not behaving in a way that you think is correct is probably a massive turn off. even if youre not saying it to her, youre thinking it inside, so the cells in your body are projecting such an energy. youre turning it into an obligation and responsibility on her part, sort of like changing diapers or paying your taxes. instead of thinking of it as lack of effort on her part, think of it as lack of inspiration on your part. it doesnt mean your sexual prowess isnt enough for her or something, its just competing with a lot of other frequencies. you might need to put more effort into inspiring her. maybe you need to take more time off from your sex life with her, and channel that energy into healing her and finding out what other needs of hers need to be met. when was the last time you cooked her favorite meal for her, cleaned all the dishes, and gave her a foot rub, and then asked her what else would make her feel more comfortable in life, without any expectation of anything sexual happening?




is it? someone suggested that a man's role in this universe is to be some sort of hunter, and that a woman's role is to be hunted. i object to such a notion, and suggest otherwise, in the hopes that you dont continue such an awkward, limited, and oppressive view of the world. i have a strong feeling that you wont get what you want that way.
Right, wrong or indifferent I have expressed my feelings the best way I know how( not ha ving a psychology degree). While I do appreciate your suggestions it seems just another list of things I can do. I think you and I have some different views of how relationships generally work and what each party can reasonably expect from the other. I'm not saying my thoughts, feelings or needs are hers or that either one of us is right or wrong. I am of the opinion that we can't fix other people, only ourselves. I would absolutely help her in any way I could if she determined she wanted me to but I am not qualified to determine if her mind is in the right frame, if she is inspired or mentally disciplined. Maybe a professional could help.
 
You both need to see a sex therapist together, with her being so shut down - you guys need a professional to work with face to face. And/or you guys try being swingers... add some spark to your bedroom. After all, you're the only penis she has seen or touched in the last 15 years, same for her vag. If you do the same 1-2 every time, well - yeah, its boring.
 
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