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myr

myr

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I posted it in a mega thread where I think this belong, but maybe it's read rarely by people so I make a thread about it here. Mods, if you think this is unnecessary, feel free to move/delete.

My past two (=first two :D) MDMA experience occupies my mind from time to time. It felt unlike what the others described to me or what I read here about effects. I'd appreciate some ideas.
It was tested HCl stuff, first time 1*100mg then 5 days later (special occasion) 1*120mg doses in capsules.
I felt no anxiety or overexcitement, i take no medication only vitamins.

At T+40 it began to come up, i felt nice, clean euphoria. The peak lasted around 3 hrs. Ambient temperature felt just right, even though it was a bit chilly before. I was riding on the waves of trance music. :D I was thirsty but no desire for food.
However I wasn't more empathic neither I had any pleasure in touching things, people and this is what I kind of miss from the evenings.
I walked home during comedown and I was able to sleep almost immediately to wake up well rested and with a nice afterglow for the following 2-3 days.

Any ideas about the lack of empathic and tactile aspects of the roll? The thought of hugging anyone never came to my mind. For me it was more about the appreciation of music and the joy of dancing.

Is it just how we are all different and not everyone reacts the same way to MDMA?
 
Maybe your product is extremely cut, too low of a dose, not MDMA

Did you test it personally? it could be methylone
 
Not me, the guy who is lecturing people about psychadelics, and running a team of people practicing harm reduction at festivals and such. Yeah, it passed the reagent test. :)
 
Are you on any prescription medication? Anti-depressants are of particular interest but others could be as well, as could other recreational drugs you are using
 
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LucidSDreamr said:
you've only taken mdma twice yet are running a team lecturing people on harm reduction? seems like a strange combination
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I think he meant it wasn't him personally testing it, but the the guy from the harm reduction team.

BTT: It seems odd, but I think with some people it's just that it doesn't work that way. I've met people before who in fact don't like to touch when they're rolling.
I've lost this urge over time an excessive consumption.

There are always people who experience a drug different, even if most have a very similar experience.
Think of Ritalin in people with ADHD. Calms them down, while for us others it's a stimulant.

I think what is lacking in your experience is mainly achieved through oxytocin release. Somehow that seems also to be the part of the experience that gets lost most easily (but that's just my experience).
 
I would suggest that the neuro-circuitry that can process MDMA and give the experience of empathy is somehow not quite 'on-line'. The receptors for empathy have to be functional, its not just about the molecules.
 
They are still not completely sure what causes the empathy MDMA gives you, though it is theorized (and somewhat proven) that the huge rise of serotonin levels in the synaptic cleft stimulate oxytocin-containing neurons to release oxytocin, which in turn causes the empathogenic effects.

If the serotonergic system (or the oxytocin one for that matter) was 'offline', I think he would be dead or at the very least severely impaired...
 
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myr said:
Not me, the guy who is lecturing people about psychadelics, and running a team of people practicing harm reduction at festivals and such. Yeah, it passed the reagent test. :)
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Passing a reagent test does not indicate purity. It only detects the presence so even a slight amount of an MD'x' substance can trigger a false sense of the right product.

Tivona said:
I would suggest that the neuro-circuitry that can process MDMA and give the experience of empathy is somehow not quite 'on-line'. The receptors for empathy have to be functional, its not just about the molecules.
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I disagree. There are some research I've seen online about those who suffer from psychopathic disorders trying out mdma and it promoted the same empathetic sensation to them even if their empathetic systems are pretty non existant

BlueBull said:
They are still not completely sure what causes the empathy MDMA gives you, though it is theorized (and somewhat proven) that the huge rise of serotonin levels in the synaptic cleft stimulate oxytocin-containing neurons to release oxytocin, which in turn causes the empathic effects.

this is correct.


If the serotonergic system was 'offline', I think he would be dead...
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I still believe that your substance was not up to par. Everyone will respond to the effects differently though but mdma is usually something where everyone reaches somewhat the same level if the appropriate dose is reached
 
LucidSDreamr said:
you've only taken mdma twice yet are running a team lecturing people on harm reduction? seems like a strange combination
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No, of course I'm not doing that. Wouldn't be too smart, especially with psychadelics where it's crucial to havefirst hand experience to help others with bad trip and such. Lexical knowledge is not everything, i know :)

Do you guys think that "the base level" of empathy contributes to the experience or is it irrelevant? I mean I'm not biulding a wall around myself but due to rather negative family experience during childhood I don't let people inside easily.

I really have nothing to compare as of yet, but other aspects of the rolls were astounding.
I'm tempted to compare it to other batches, but we got 3g of this and that's like a year's supply for the 3 of us. :)
 
I guess it's possible you haven't developed so much ability for empathy because of your experiences.
Good news is, empathy can be learned and MDMA is just the right compound for it.

At least I learned a lot from it. It's also easier to talk to open up to others, so maybe you can deal with your bad experiences while rolling.
 
Could indeed be because of your lower baseline empathy. However I'm normally really empathic at baseline, but my mate isn't at all. Nonetheless we both seem to get about the same level of empathy from the substance. Everyone is different though so it is possible you just have less 'capacity' for empathy. Though if I had to make an educated guess I would say your baseline probably has some influence, but not a whole lot, not enough to explain the complete lack of empathy in your roll. I would guess there is another factor at play here, but we might never know exactly what

Still got a question though: are you on any prescription medication? Anti-depressants are of particular interest but others could be too
 
Thanks for the answers.
@BlueBull: i stated in the OP that i'm not on any med and i only take vitamins (multi-vit pills about 3x a week). So that's not a factor.

Anyway, I'm certainly not unhappy with what I get from mdma. Without it i would never know how it feels like dancing and enjoying my time absolutely carefree. :)
Next time I'll buy just one tablet to see how it goes on another batch.
 
myr said:
Thanks for the answers.
@BlueBull: i stated in the OP that i'm not on any med and i only take vitamins (multi-vit pills about 3x a week). So that's not a factor.

Anyway, I'm certainly not unhappy with what I get from mdma. Without it i would never know how it feels like dancing and enjoying my time absolutely carefree. :)
Next time I'll buy just one tablet to see how it goes on another batch.
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I'm sorry, I actually checked your post to see if you mentioned any meds, but apparently I am more tired than I thought as I completely read over that line.

This is a very strange case indeed. I hope you have better luck next time man. Make sure you test your product again. Happy rollings!
 
I don't get the urge to touch anything but then I stroke my gf's tights and I'm like WoW!
 
Just standard effervescent multi-vit tablets. A,B1,B6,B12,C,E.
 
MrMedic please could you post links to the research on psychopathy and MDMA inducing empathy. Thanks
 
Some people get it and some don't. I dont get any sort of touchy feely sensation, or overwhelming empathy. I get empathy for a short period and it goes away. Brain chemistry man. ;)
 
I don't get the urge to touch anything but then I stroke my gf's tights and I'm like WoW!
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Couldn't help but read this and think 'but then I stroke my gf's tights and I'm like World of Warcraft!'
 
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