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Alcohol No drunk after detox?

butcher22

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I will save you all a long story. I did what AA claims can't happen. I detox'd from very heavy alcohol and benzo additions and I still drink socially. I do not fuck with benzos at all but I drink about once a week. this is after about a 4 or 5 month washout. I can easily have one beer and stop and all of that shit that I was told I could never do.
I can not seem to get drunk. I can drink a lot and have a massive hangover, but I can not get drunk and feel good.
 
Good for you. Are you on certain medications that mess with the euphoric effects of alcohol?
 
No, the only thing I take is phenibut which should actually get me more intoxicated faster.
I know I have drank with phenibut before and got tipsy way too easily but that was when I first started drinking again so it could have also been a low tolerance issue. Maybe somehow the phenny is the problem. I don't think I have had a drink without it since I started to drink again.
 
Hey, I was able to do the same thing...for a while. Then it started creeping messy again.
Watch yourself.
 
this is total bullshit. im a confirmed drunk. you apparently are a delusional idiot. you have no business on a site like this.
 
this is total bullshit. im a confirmed drunk. you apparently are a delusional idiot. you have no business on a site like this.

This is other drugs so OP is in exactly the right place.

Personally butcher that sounds like tolerance. I use to get the same problem with opiates. All the bad effects little of the euphoria.
 
this is total bullshit. im a confirmed drunk. you apparently are a delusional idiot. you have no business on a site like this.
Care to elaborate as to what I am delusional about, or did you just feel like crying? "confirmed drunk" lol Sir, yes sir! You pulled rank on me there.
 
No, the only thing I take is phenibut which should actually get me more intoxicated faster.
I know I have drank with phenibut before and got tipsy way too easily but that was when I first started drinking again so it could have also been a low tolerance issue. Maybe somehow the phenny is the problem. I don't think I have had a drink without it since I started to drink again.

A note here: I take phenibut and although many people claim it enhances the effect of alcohol, to me it seems to rob it of the euphoria it used to give me. I used to be an everyday drinker and benzo popper, and I don't even bother drinking while taking phenibut, i get all the sloppy side effects and none of the warm fuzzy glow.

Also, a word of caution: phenibut is just as capable of producing tolerance, dependence, and addiction as benzos and alcohol.

CaveBear: if OP has no business on this site, having detoxed from booze.and pills, what's a grizzled confirmed drunk like you doing here?
 
A note here: I take phenibut and although many people claim it enhances the effect of alcohol, to me it seems to rob it of the euphoria it used to give me. I used to be an everyday drinker and benzo popper, and I don't even bother drinking while taking phenibut, i get all the sloppy side effects and none of the warm fuzzy glow.

Also, a word of caution: phenibut is just as capable of producing tolerance, dependence, and addiction as benzos and alcohol.

CaveBear: if OP has no business on this site, having detoxed from booze.and pills, what's a grizzled confirmed drunk like you doing here?
I think that's what it is man. It has to be. Next time I will skip the phenny for that day. And yeah, I am trying to taper off of phenibut right now and to me it's not as bad as benzo withdrawal but still not fun.
 
AA is chocked full of bullshit:

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-secrets.html

Give yourself 12+ hours to look over everything on that site and related links.

I have a hard time getting drunk too, unless Im slamming 40 proof Whiskey nd Coke. Light beer? lol, ill get sick before I get drunk. Its called tolerance, or in cases where someone weighs a LOT, body weight will come into play too.
 
AA

AA isn't bullshit.

Simply going to meetings to listen to grizzled drunks tell unconvincing stories of redemption isn't gonna help. Simply praying to God to cure you of your addiction ain't gonna do nuthin'. There are plenty of people in meetings who are full of shit, pretentious, or who are clearly miserable despite their alleged sobriety. Go to the wrong meetings, its easy to get a bad taste in your mouth. That doesn't mean that the whole thing is worthless.

Most addicts and alcoholics don't like AA because it's based around the premise that there is something wrong with them on a spiritual level. It forces you to take a hard look at your life, and accept the fact that you are essentially at the utter mercy of your addiction, that you are broken as a person. It forces you to confront your failures head on rather than make excuses for them. It forces you to confront the damage you've done to your loved ones, and eventually to make amends to them.

It demands a complete change in the way you approach life. Many hardcore addicts, whether they are able to accept it or not, live selfish lives, constantly fixated on how they feel and trying to control every aspect of their lives. The 12 steps demand that you surrender yourself to the idea that you can't control much of what happens in life, and that you simply find the courage to change what you can in a selfless manner. That means confronting the damage you've done and doing your best to make it right.

You need to find someone that has a real message of recovery. I was lucky enough to find a sponsor who had something to offer. He had an ivy league education and was a member of a well-known local punk band before heroin addiction cost him everything and he ended up in prison. He wasn't deluded or religious, but he found that a spiritual solution and a life of honesty and selflessness was the only thing that helped him get clean and live a happy life.

I found that I wasn't capable of being honest with myself at that point, and relapsed as I was making amends to family members. It was immensely difficult and the stress was too much, i couldn't handle life without drugs. Since that relapse, I've seen jails, detoxes, methadone clinics, mental wards, and overdoses. I however did see countless hopeless addicts recover to live happy, meaningful lives. I wasn't one of them, but I had a glimpse of what it looks like.

It isn't for everyone, and it shouldn't be mandated by the courts, because it's something that needs to come from within you, you can't be forced to do it. Most meetings have nothing to offer because most people in AA don't actually work the steps and have not undergone this transformation. You need to get to the point where you are utterly broken and disgusted with yourself and are willing to do anything to get better. Most people aren't at that point. Personally, I think I'm getting there.

The traditional conceptiom of God and religion has little to do with it. You do need to be able to turn your will over to a higher power, to surrender to the idea that there is a greater purpose to life than hedonistic self-gratification and pleasure. Unless you truly believe that life is meaningless, that there is no underlying beauty or divinity to the universe, that we are simply bags of chemicals without free will, hurtling through a pointless existence, this isn't really a difficult thing to do. Personally I've smoked enough DMT, dropped enough acid, and experienced enough drug-induced psychosis that I know for a fact that there is an underlying divine principle behind all of existence, so this was never an issue for me.

It's too bad there are so many misconceptions about the 12 steps. If you've reached the point in your life where nothing else works, it offers a solution for those willing to be honest with themselves. Of course these issues don't apply to some addicts, the steps are kinda like a last resort when nothing else works, and many people dont reach that point.
 
I too was a heavy alcohol for a long time. After 2 detoxes and 1 trip to rehab I finally got sober. A yeat later I will drink probably once a month. I think my brain is rewired somehow into the drinking is just not that Fucking fun anymore . I definitely don't get the high like I used to.
 
The main reason I am able to keep my drinking in check now is because the combination of many years of heavy alcohol and benzo use has completely screwed up my GABA receptors to the point where if i drink very much I have HORRIBLE panic attacks for like two or three solid sleepless days so its just not worth it to me to drink much anymore.
I wasn't trying to start a debate about the validity of AA but since it went there I will say I don't believe in it. To me it is kind of a cult. Telling an addict that he is totally powerless over his addiction is unforgivable. They should be teaching inner strength and coping skills rather than trying to push god on people. It has a pretty low success rate and to those it does help, I noticed that all they really do is work and go to meetings. They no longer hang out with their old friends and really only socialize at meetings anymore, so they could effectively do that on their own by getting rid of their drinking buddies and hanging out with better influences.
 
It has a low success rate because 90% of people don't actually work a program of spiritual recovery. They go to meetings and tell boring stories about how their life is so much better now because thry can now go bass fishing on the pond with Billy-Bob and JoJo without guzzling a 12-pack of Budweiser. It's enough to put you off, I've actually burst out laughing once at this girls story and and had to leave the meeting.They're just not drinking and going to meetings, that's a recipe for s miserable life, you need to repace the drinking with other meaningful stuff.

The 12 steps are for people who have hit rock bottom. Thry really have become powerless over their addiction, have tried mainstream therapy, medications, detox, jail, etc and none of it works. Thry are forced to begin like anew and that means, at first, hanging out with a new group of friends who won't tempt you to escape with drugs or drink. It doesn't stay that way, when I relapsed I'd sometimes see by "AA buddies" at bars and clubs. Its certainly not true that all they do is go to meetings and work, but even if that is the case, for most that's an improvement over their former lifestyle. It's actually all about teaching inner strength and the idea is when you change your outlook on life you won't need traditional coping skills.

Its not for everybody, definitely not. It requires a certain mindset that you tend only to acquire after trying everything else and failing miserably. That being said, it didn't work for me, but I'm pretty sure I know why. I agree its a bit cult-like and insular sometimes but sometimes people need that to get better.

And yeah there is a phenomenon with GABAnergics and alcohol called "kindling" where repeated cycles of overuse and withdrawal sensitizes yiur nervous system so that on each cycle the withdrawal gets worse, to the point where an alcoholic can feel withdrawals after drinking a 6 pack. It just gets worse and worse, same goes for opiates.
 
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realistically, what are the odd's that drinking occasionally could reset my withdrawal? i do worry about that. i'm sure i would become physically dependent again much more quickly and easily than someone who was never an alcoholic
 
As an recovering alcoholic is can second that, the times i drink now (1 time a week too lately) its also that i can drink but don't get the pleasurable effects i used to in the past, and the hangovers seems worse.
 
realistically, what are the odd's that drinking occasionally could reset my withdrawal? i do worry about that. i'm sure i would become physically dependent again much more quickly and easily than someone who was never an alcoholic

On each cycle of alcohol or benzo use, you are both more likely to become dependent more easily, to experience more severe withdrawal, and to derive less pleasure from your drinking sessions. It's the nature of most addictions but especially alcohol.

Back before modern pharmacology existed, even severe alcoholics would simply be placed in a padded cell with a straight jacket to endure the delerium tremens, cold. The mortality for severe alcoholics was as high as 30%, and it wreaked such havoc on their nervous system that even one night of drinking could trigger significant withdrawal symptoms.

The more you abuse your GABA receptors, the harder and longer your binges, the more you have to deal with all the downsides of alcohol use, and the less you experience the upsides.
 
I too was a heavy alcohol for a long time. After 2 detoxes and 1 trip to rehab I finally got sober. A yeat later I will drink probably once a month. I think my brain is rewired somehow into the drinking is just not that Fucking fun anymore . I definitely don't get the high like I used to.

Same here, I used to be an alcy, got sober and didn't have a drink for several years. Now I can drink in moderation but it's not even a temptation for me to drink to excess because I just dont enjoy it like I used to and the hangover is awful. I rarely drink more than a glass of wine these days, two glasses would be a lot for me. I just have no desire to drink more than that.
 
I appreciate you intelligently, coherently, and succinctly defending AA, yet there are several non sequiturs and other logical fallacies with your replies. One is making the claim I stated "AA is bullshit", to which I did not; I wrote "AA is chocked full of bullshit", then provided a link that extensively goes over my statement. I wont hit them all, but these three more stood out:

" hanging out with a new group of friends who won't tempt you to escape with drugs or drink."

-sorry, my gf relapsed in NA (same thing as AA, sans all the Bill Wilson godcock horseshit, which makes it infinitely better than AA imho) when her sponsor relapsed and took her along

"when I relapsed I'd sometimes see by "AA buddies" at bars and clubs."

why were you in places that are strong triggers for relapse? did you work there? it would be like me hanging out at a shooting gallery, just because...

", it didn't work for me,"

for me either. It worked for my grandpa; he died 12 years sober. He wasnt what Id consider a hardcore alcoholic, def not lifelong... But for everyone getting a one year coin (which I got, along with the tags from NA), there are scores of newbies relapsing, from a program that is inherently flawed. btw, it's not 12 steps, it's 13, and watching one of the biggest Bill Wilsonfags knocking up a fellow AA member 35 years his junior was just one of scores of things I had to leave. Eventually, I did take one AA slogan to heart: "take what you need and leave the rest". I took myself out and left the cult-like atmosphere.

btw, I really tried and wanted it to work. I was on step 4 and had done my moral inventory, and found it bankrupt, and wrote it all down. I guess I was further down than my sponsor (with 22 years clean), who recoiled in horror when he read it. nm that ive never done any serious crime, but I guess my lifestyle and what Ive been thru were too much for him to handle. This place (BL) is more therapeutic than AA ever will be, for me anyway.

"have tried mainstream therapy"

AA in the USA *is* mainstream therapy. Do courts generally send people to RR, or psyche wards? no, but they sure as shit send them to AA. If you are referring to something Im missing, please elaborate.

Finally, I find it rather amusing in a way that many churches here have kicked out AA groups; apparently, all that tolerance and lovey-dovey shit dont apply when you can worship something other than God and Jesus Christ. One religion kicking out a cult over faith-based issues, despite no competition or cross complaints, such as leaving the meeting room dirty, is ironic on the deepest level.
 
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