Nitrous tanks

[kongoman]

You guys in the US are professional drug users!!! Haha
Didnt know how to use nitrous.
Wich kind of high gives?

 

[Jen X]

Just a question. Is nitrous as bad on the brain? I've had it at the dentist for brief periods but curious if regular use is harmful

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Regular use causes vitamin B12 deficiency which can lead to demyelenation and other nervous system issues

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

As a regular thing it is definitely a no fly zone IMO. However I have only experienced whipits and have heard that isn't 'where its at' at all regarding nitrous. Than I saw the giant tank for a reasonable price and ya know hmm

 

[negrogesic]

50 charges/day for a year is huge. What do you think reasonable use is? 12-16/day just on weekends maybe?

Yeah, that might be more responsible. But I'd say it would be better to limit it to maybe once every 2 weeks, or once a month.

Nitrous oxide is a powerful oxider, and aside from inactiving B12 (by oxidizing the cobalt ion in B12 from cobalt I to cobalt III), it's not a good thing to be exposed to such a powerful oxider due to the various oxidative stresses it can put on the body.

I mean, I survived but it surely wasn't healthy consuming all that NOS. It was funny, sometimes I'd wait a few weeks to dump the old chargers, so there would hundreds, or perhaps a thousand used chargers that I'd dump in the trash. The clanging sound that a thousand used metal NOS chargers makes as its being dumped from a height into the back of a garbage truck is very noticeable, especially given all the glass beer bottles mixed in there too. Sounded like a car accident had just occured or something

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Maybe diethyl ether is better, but I think there are some toxicities with that too sadly

 

[negrogesic]

Maybe diethyl ether is better, but I think there are some toxicities with that too sadly

No, diethyl ether is awful. Not enjoyable, heavy nausea, I've tried it.

Nitrous oxide is actually an amazing drug, potential for extreme euphoria rivaling any other drug, and producing powerful visionary states. But in order to do so, you really have to push the envelope. It takes a good 50g to start to enter the NOS headspace.

NOS has multiple plateaus or levels to it, I suppose like DXM (haven't used DXM much). I actually am not a big fan of strong dissociative experiences, but NOS is different. I get alot of anxiety from say heavy doses of ketamine, but NOS is far more comfortable given its anxiolytic properties. Assign from being it NMDA antagonist, NOS actually binds at the benzodiazepine binding site of GABA-A complex, produce strong anxiolysis, which makes it less scary. Affinity for the bzd site on GABA-A is also why its hard to remember what you experienced due to the amnestic nature of such ligands.

There still is sometimes a spooky feeling to high doses of NOS though, like all dissociatives.

I actually started using it during benzo withdrawal, when i realized that NOS very temporarily reduces some symptoms of benzo withdrawal. Of course, the effect is fleeting.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Really? I LOVED ether, but it didn't feel psychedelic. It made everything hilarious at least at the doses i used. Always inhaled never tried it orally

Never realized NOS binds GABAa, that's pretty interesting

I have tried ketamine + NOS which was actually kinda crazy with the CEVs

 

[negrogesic]

Really? I LOVED ether, but it didn't feel psychedelic. It made everything hilarious at least at the doses i used. Always inhaled never tried it orally

Never realized NOS binds GABAa, that's pretty interesting

I have tried ketamine + NOS which was actually kinda crazy with the CEVs

How'd you inhale it?

I made a simple ether inhalation device consisting of a glass jar, cotton balls soaked in diethyl ether, and a tube running through the lid (adjacent to another ventilation hole).



Sort of felt alcohol like, but dirtier. Later i used the contraption to inhale halothane, which was a big improvement but still dirty feeling. But ether left me feeling sick afterwards, sort of poisoned. I remember sitting on my couch, with the room spinning and feeling sick to my stomach (sort of like i had too much chewing tobacco).

Nitrous oxide on the other hand is crisp and clean, no hangover. I remember killing a box of 50 cartridges in around 2 hours, then going to a work-related event right after, felt totally clear.

 

[Gary White]

I don't do it every day but I do a bunch when I do. (200-300 chargers).
That toggle loader just makes it too easy.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

How'd you inhale it?

I made a simple ether inhalation device consisting of a glass jar, cotton balls soaked in diethyl ether, and a tube running through the lid (adjacent to another ventilation hole).



Sort of felt alcohol like, but dirtier. Later i used the contraption to inhale halothane, which was a big improvement but still dirty feeling. But ether left me feeling sick afterwards, sort of poisoned. I remember sitting on my couch, with the room spinning and feeling sick to my stomach (sort of like i had too much chewing tobacco).

Nitrous oxide on the other hand is crisp and clean, no hangover. I remember killing a box of 50 cartridges in around 2 hours, then going to a work-related event right after, felt totally clear.

I just used a paper towel soaked in ether stuffed into a paper towel tube. It would probably be better with a glass or metal tube so it doesn't get soaked as well, but passing the air directly through the soaked medium provided a nice hefty dose per inhale. I'd love to try it orally sometime to see how different the effects are

You're definitely right about a lingering weirdness, and I always reeked of ether after making me feel rather flammable. Never felt sick though, maybe some people just react more strongly

 

[Gary White]

I put mine in the recycle and they make quite a racket when 600 hit that bin that dumps in the truck.

Yeah, that might be more responsible. But I'd say it would be better to limit it to maybe once every 2 weeks, or once a month.

Nitrous oxide is a powerful oxider, and aside from inactiving B12 (by oxidizing the cobalt ion in B12 from cobalt I to cobalt III), it's not a good thing to be exposed to such a powerful oxider due to the various oxidative stresses it can put on the body.

I mean, I survived but it surely wasn't healthy consuming all that NOS. It was funny, sometimes I'd wait a few weeks to dump the old chargers, so there would hundreds, or perhaps a thousand used chargers that I'd dump in the trash. The clanging sound that a thousand used metal NOS chargers makes as its being dumped from a height into the back of a garbage truck is very noticeable, especially given all the glass beer bottles mixed in there too. Sounded like a car accident had just occured or something

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Sorry that made laugh, as did the nitrous oxide is a powerful oxidizer.

I can relate, I live out in an area alot of people fire off there guns like mad. I had gone through a few cases once and saw that same look the garbage men gave. In my case they even seemed to bend down and check it out. (how many rounds did this crazy bastard shoot, ope nope druggy)

 

[Gary White]

I am an old gunners mate so I look at these cartridges like any other cartridge. My toggle loader is basically a single shot bolt action. I have the plans drawn up for a magazine loaded repeater with an electrically operated bolt triggered by a pressure switch but now that I find a tank deal competitive with the best case price on carts, those plans are on hold. Now I am going to drag out my old solenoid valve rig and adapt it to O2. That will require a separate valve for the O2 tho since simply "t"ing them together is going to favor the high pressure source over the low pressure source every time.

 

[Gary White]

I just cleaned about an ounce and a half of oil out of my nitrous rig from carts. I am starting my test of the disposable tanks some time this week. I am curious how much oil I get. It would really be nice if these were pumped with am recoilless compressor like medical grade but I am skeptical. I am going to run a few tanks through it and see what I get. I also swapped the filter and replaced the hose.

 

[Gary White]

Sorry that made laugh, as did the nitrous oxide is a powerful oxidizer.

It is actually a powerful oxidizer but only when it gets to about 600 degrees and turns the O2 loose. That is why it works so good in a car. It goes in as a condensed liquid along with the chilled dense air and a extra rich fuel mix. The plug starts a smoky fire that gets up to the magic 600 degrees just about the time the crank is at 2 o'clock or so that pure O2 hits that smoky fire and kaboom, just when it can do the most good out on the end of that lever.

I got into this as a car guy

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

^Well now I went and learned something. *huffs some gas* (im kidding of course).

damn my dad was a car guy now I wish I could bounce some questions off him. (none that google couldn't handle but id rather hear it from him of course)

*Edit, heres one google could probably answer but I'll still ask, what is the deal with the caffeine NOS drinks having the same color scheme and label type as the ones in vehicles? (idk seems like some kind of infringement to me but I suppose it is a win win for them)....Also what was the deal with the "Nitrogenized" energy drinks monster use to put out? (and airplane peanuts) I never looked into it but it sees they were using "nitronization" instead of carbonation. (or that was the marketing ploy, never looked into it) did consume enough of them to be concerned a bit though...

 

[Gary White]

I doubt you would ever get enough nitrous from a drink to do much. It would be like eating whipped cream for the nitrous.
I did play with my Monster Gas 1364 gram tanks tonight. There seemed to be one that was 2 ounces light. I got the mid range regulator ~$50 US and it seems OK. It is designed to screw into a cream/soda bottle with an adapter that replaces the cartridge holder. That worked pretty well but one of my ICO bottles has a hole drilled in the housing that leaks gas, the other doesn't. Not sure about why that was true but the hole is full of JB weld now. With the regulator you can hit the gas right out of the hose if you like (set at 35 PSI or so) but you really need a valve of some sort. A work around is rotating the regulator on and off the bottle right at the point where the ball valve in the tank operates but I wouldn't do that as a regular thing. Reading about the knob falling off has me not wanting to screw with the pressure to valve the gas. I think a "blow gun" like you use on an air compressor would be a good, low tech solution. This gas is from France as best I can tell and I haven't noticed any oil taste straight of of the tank. I will hook this up to my regular rig with the filter when the JB sets up. The valve on an ICO soda bottle dribbles the gas in so I thing my O2 setup will work. When you hit it, the N2O pressure drops off fast, making room for the O2. Once I get this all going again I will see what the optimal O2 and N2O pressures are using my oximeter . I have my old solenoid valve setup sitting on the bench but I am not sure the flow rate of this regulator will work with them. I used to run my old 20# tank rig at about 12PSI but the regulator flowed a lot of gas at that pressure. I don't think the valves are rated for 30-35. More experimenting I guess

 

[negrogesic]

*Edit, heres one google could probably answer but I'll still ask, what is the deal with the caffeine NOS drinks having the same color scheme and label type as the ones in vehicles? (idk seems like some kind of infringement to me but I suppose it is a win win for them)....Also what was the deal with the "Nitrogenized" energy drinks monster use to put out? (and airplane peanuts) I never looked into it but it sees they were using "nitronization" instead of carbonation. (or that was the marketing ploy, never looked into it) did consume enough of them to be concerned a bit though...

Those energy drinks shaped like automotive nitrous bottles don't have any nitrous oxide in them, and are carbonated with standard carbon dioxide. The reason they are branded as NOS is to allude to the energetic effects NOS has on cars.

Apparently there are some energy drinks that are actually carbonated with nitrous oxide though, but it wouldnt have enough to do anything (probably contain a few grams per liter):

[Energy Drink Review] Nitrous Monsters

Overview: Monster has been a leader in its industry for as long as I’ve had an interest in energy drinks. They have managed to attain their high status by constantly mastering every new innov…

www.everyview.com

 

[negrogesic]

Just a question. Is nitrous as bad on the brain? I've had it at the dentist for brief periods but curious if regular use is harmful

Some people are more susceptible to nitrous oxide toxicity than others. There have been cases where individuals experienced toxicity from nitrous oxide from a single dental appointment, or cases in which a young guy starts abusing nitrous heavily and within a month he's suffered severe nerve damage is wheelchair bound for life.

Then there are people like me, who inhaled 50 chargers of gas a day (nearly a pound a day of nitrous oxide), holding the gas for as long as possible, taking a short breath of air, and inhaling another cartridge, with no supplemental oxygen. Aside from the nerve damaging effects of nitrous through B12 inactivation and free radical production, I was starving myself of oxygen for long periods of time.

With my new fancy nitrous setup where I use supplemental oxygen mixed in with the NOS, i wear an oxygen blood level monitor on my finger tip, and find that even with the supplemental oxygen, if I bump up the nitrous levels too high, my oxygen blood levels quickly shoot into the hypoxic range.

In fact, when using my new "safer" NOS machine, I found that in order to reach the same kind of mystic NOS visionary states that I used to get to years ago when i was inhaling straight nItrous only, I have to bump up the NOS levels so high that blood oxgen levels briefly go into the low 80% SpO2 range (anything less than 95% is a lack of oxygen).

So back when I was abusing NOS daily, im sure my blood oxygen levels were going into the 70% range for long periods of time.

Here's a chart for perspective;



So, over a decade ago, for like 18 months, every day I would inhale on average nearly a pound of nitrous oxide, no supplemental oygen, no B12 supplementation. Im sure for hours my oxygen blood levels remain in the 80% range, and dip into the 70% range.

However, I didn't seem to be impacted much after stopping. Not long after I quit NOS, I started graduate school. And unlike during my undergrad degree, which I completed with mediocre grades, I put in significant effort during grad school and graduated with a 3.96 GPA.

However, before grad school, I had to take a challenging standardized admission test (not the GRE, but a more specialized and rigorous exam -- which will remain unnamed since it could be used to dox me). While I scored fairly high on it, in terms of percentile the score wasn't nearly as high as my SAT score (1580/1600 -- taken before my heavy drug use). So the precipitous drop from the 99th percentile on the SAT to the mid-80s on the grad school entrance exam *might* indicate a decline in cognitive ability (although in all fairness, said grad entrance exam is taken by many Indian and Chinese test takers -- whose lifelong intensive schooling in mathematics shifted the entire curve on the quantitative portion of that exam). But even my verbal score suffered.

In anycase, thats my only evidence of cognitive decline, and I did not appear to suffer much else.

Well, except formy breathing. Ever since abusing nitrous oxide, my breathing feels different. It's as if I hold on to each breath a little too long, almost as if im taking a hit of nitrous.

I'll tell you this, I've inhaled a good 500 pounds of nitrous oxide in my lifetime, and I can't imagine it was good for me. But other people who have the same, or even less, have wound up in wheelchairs. So there appears to be some genetic susceptibility to this form of toxicity.