Nitrous may be illegal soon

deadhead4lyfe89 said:
If it’s a cream dispenser full of nitrous, but no cream you can inhale it and be OK but balloons are recommended. the only time I’ve done the medical grade that was not at the dentist was a concerts and music festivals, the tall and skinny 4-5 foot tanks.
We used balloons that get very big because with those real medical grade tanks it’s very dangerous to try to inhale off of a huge medical tank like that you need balloons.the medical grade tanks like that will be very very cold.
So yeah, never try to use one of those tall skinny medical grade tanks without balloons.
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Inhaling directly out of the tank can damage the lungs. I spent ten days in the hospital with a collapsed lung from nitrous
 
foodcrisis said:
i dunno... it's pretty popular at the moment... i think there's some controversary whether or not it's damaging or whether or not you can just take some vitamin b12 and will be fine.

dxm has been around for a while, and that doesn't appear to be going anywhere.. obviously something teens use to get high. (Edit: i actually just remember dxm is illegal in some countries..hmm..)

i'm not saying it's not gonna become illegal, but could also seeing it slip by and stay legal... i see weed as being just as dangerous as nitrous.. i feel like nitrous is pretty short lived. not like people are gonna be driving around on it. if people want to mess themselves up taking it, they can easily do the same with alcohol.

if it didn't power whip cream cans then it'd probably be illegal. people need to shoot whip cream out of cans. i can 100% seeing it needed to be presented a certain way to be legal though, like no more just buying galaxy gas or whatever, so that's gonna ruin the fun for some people.. just selling straight up nitrous in head shops to anybody that's 18, i can see people saying people aren't mature enough to handle that for sure,, all i really got out of nitrous was a small hit, like even a whip cream can worth while tripping is really cool.. kind of lame with out the psychedelics even when using a lot.
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Yeah, I don't really see nitrous as comparable to cannabis. Extended heavy and chronic use can cause nerve damage. A lot of people have been using it in crazy ways since the galaxy gas stuff has become popular. Smoking weed ain't great for your lungs, can cause dependence, and may "make one lazy", but the side effects aren't nearly as serious or dangerous.

And yeah, people driving around fucked up on nitrous and having major accidents is actually something that has occured a bunch in the US. People will buy the gas and hit it while they're pulling out, and then run someone over or crash into cars. Tough to get a DUI charge with it though of course, since it'd be worn off by the time it takes someone to get pulled over and approached.

Here's one example, well it's the UK, but still

www.theguardian.com

Laughing gas crash driver who killed his friends jailed for nine years

Judge at Oxford crown court tells Thomas Johnson, 19, he will be ‘forever defined’ by what happened
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
distAnTKarmA said:
Yeah, I don't really see nitrous as comparable to cannabis. Extended heavy and chronic use can cause nerve damage. A lot of people have been using it in crazy ways since the galaxy gas stuff has become popular. Smoking weed ain't great for your lungs, can cause dependence, and may "make one lazy", but the side effects aren't nearly as serious or dangerous.

And yeah, people driving around fucked up on nitrous and having major accidents is actually something that has occured a bunch in the US. People will buy the gas and hit it while they're pulling out, and then run someone over or crash into cars. Tough to get a DUI charge with it though of course, since it'd be worn off by the time it takes someone to get pulled over and approached.

Here's one example, well it's the UK, but still

www.theguardian.com

Laughing gas crash driver who killed his friends jailed for nine years

Judge at Oxford crown court tells Thomas Johnson, 19, he will be ‘forever defined’ by what happened
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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crazy... didn't think people would be so stupid to drive on nitrous, and i get there is nerve damage if abused.. i understand you have to use a lot of it to, even as much to describe it as a ton to really get negative effects... i'm not even saying you are implying it SHOULDN'T be legal, i just really feel like it should be legal cause some people can use it safetly and get cool effects like with psychedelics.

i heard another story like this. the story i remember is from 2003 or 04, here's a similar report from recently if you think stopping a drug can top people from doing stupid stuff driving https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...car-crash-while-holding-breath-through-tunnel i know no one said nitrous ban will stop bad stuff. i'm just llisting it cause it kind of fits.
 
foodcrisis said:
crazy... didn't think people would be so stupid to drive on nitrous, and i get there is nerve damage if abused.. i understand you have to use a lot of it to, even as much to describe it as a ton to really get negative effects... i'm not even saying you are implying it SHOULDN'T be legal, i just really feel like it shouldn't be legal cause some people can use it safetly.

i heard another story like this. the story i remember is from 2003 or 04, here's a similar report from recently if you think stopping a drug can top people from doing stupid stuff driving https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...car-crash-while-holding-breath-through-tunnel
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Honestly, I think that at this point, those governing aren't looking to police drug use, they're all doing mad drugs anyway. If they crack down on nitrous it'll make the vape shops unhappy, which are creating a huge amount of easy cash business via the party crowds. Barring any major catastrophe, it'll be the headline for moral panics and there will be some dumb kids who get hurt in the process.

The worst part is - harm reduction for the stuff is really easy. I'm trying to develop some harm reduction stuff to use in local vape shops to at least give some way of communicating this stuff to the consumer so they know about B12 depletion, nerve damage, seizures, and freezing their lungs.
 
foodcrisis said:
crazy... didn't think people would be so stupid to drive on nitrous, and i get there is nerve damage if abused.. i understand you have to use a lot of it to, even as much to describe it as a ton to really get negative effects... i'm not even saying you are implying it SHOULDN'T be legal, i just really feel like it should be legal cause some people can use it safetly and get cool effects like with psychedelics.

i heard another story like this. the story i remember is from 2003 or 04, here's a similar report from recently if you think stopping a drug can top people from doing stupid stuff driving https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...car-crash-while-holding-breath-through-tunnel i know no one said nitrous ban will stop bad stuff. i'm just llisting it cause it kind of fits.
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yeah, i mean generally i support full drug legalization so, we're on the same page there. I feel like in the past people simply just didn't abuse nitrous to the levels that we've seen recently. but with galaxy gas and being sold at head shops, people in the music scene in Atlanta started fucking with it more, etc. I think the way its being sold is definitely questionable though.

Other than heavy, chronic use, yeah generally its not that big of a problem drug.
 
distAnTKarmA said:
yeah, i mean generally i support full drug legalization so, we're on the same page there. I feel like in the past people simply just didn't abuse nitrous to the levels that we've seen recently. but with galaxy gas and being sold at head shops, people in the music scene in Atlanta started fucking with it more, etc. I think the way its being sold is definitely questionable though.

Other than heavy, chronic use, yeah generally its not that big of a problem drug.
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Not sure if you read this but it's worth a read - I made it a gift link (I'm an atlantic subscriber) https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...opy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
 
distAnTKarmA said:
yeah, i mean generally i support full drug legalization so, we're on the same page there. I feel like in the past people simply just didn't abuse nitrous to the levels that we've seen recently. but with galaxy gas and being sold at head shops, people in the music scene in Atlanta started fucking with it more, etc. I think the way its being sold is definitely questionable though.

Other than heavy, chronic use, yeah generally its not that big of a problem drug.
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i question whether or not psychedelics (and i feel like nitrous is really only used to boost psychedelics) should just be limited to a hospital type atmosphere. like anybody can check themselves into the hospital, take a trip, and then when it's over they get checked up on again to see how they are responding and if everything's fine, they can return to the real world.. maybe if someone wanted to make psychedelics their entire life style, they'd just live at the hospital.

i see so many reasons to just allow psychedelics for a person's home use... i just wouldn't be too pissed off if they turned drug use into something regulated that they checked up on... i think some people's experience, they'd be like "hell no to this idea..." i think having a hospital type place to do psychedelics would be good in some ways though. like they could have rooms full of art and light show rooms, and the hospitals could be located on forest reserves where people could experience nature..

what got me this idea was tripping in high school with my friend. one this friend and another friend took an 1/8th of shrooms each for one of our first times, and the third friend i didn't know as well freaked out and started slamming my car door over and over and wasn't responding to any thing i said. we were out in my yard chilling. he went up to my car and just started freaking out... so i was like to my other close friend this story is about, "let's go inside and wait for him to cool off and ring the bell.".... so we went inside, and i started to freak out about my child hood.. i had this bad experience with an older neighbor, and i was dwelling on it.. i thought my friend was cool to help me. i was gonna be like "dude when i was a kid, my neighbor..." i was going to say my neighbor mollested me and i couldn't deal with talking, we had to go outside and he had to deal with my other friend... so anyways, me talking apparently over whelmed my friend and he just passed the fuck out. i wasn't sure if he hit his head on a table falling. i was trying to test his pulse and couldn't tell what the fuck was going on. my other friend that was slamming the car door went to the convenience store near by and got arrested. i was holding my friend down from screaming while the cops were searching my yard. i could see from the window they were out there with flash lights.. terrible night. lol

but anyways, a few months later, my friend was starting to get really weird. was using a lot of other random non psychedelic drugs, and one time when i was tripping on one of my first low dose acid trips and he was just smoking weed, he was like "my father and older brother raped me when i was a kid." there's some other stuff for me to believe that he was schizophrenic, so i don't think this really happened.. i think me just saying "when i was a kid, my neighbor" caused him to think about molestation, and he had some hang ups with his dad and brother and i put the guided imagery in his head... he was saying, he was in a glass elevator going up and down while he was unconscious and his life was flashing before his eyes.. i think his mind made up a buunch of stuff.

this kid claimed psychedelics really helped his art, and i think this some people will view this as a tragedy and say schizophrenic people shouldn't trip.. honestly i think he might've been alright if he just had some counseling. like maybe we should've had counselers and if that really happened he felt like that was apart of our friendship, he should've told me when we weren't tripping. i honestly think i have some telepathic connection with this kid because of the music we made and i gave him a contact high while i was on acid and he just lost it. just stuff we've done with improv music is really special to me, and right after he told me about his supposed child hood, this other close friend of ours just showed up at my house for no reason and he never came over my house, and my cousin called me down the street to pick up our weed, so my other friend that stopped by dealt with my tripping friend and then i went to my cousins house to get grounded..

i think if he talked to a therapist before tripping and it was legal to trip. the therapists worked with teens to prepare them for a trip.. he would've had his childhood documented and if he didn't talk about having a bad childhood with the therapist and got these thoughts after tripping, i think there'd be a lot to look into.... i honestly think just me mentioning the few words not even be able to tell the whole story of my childhood, i really got in his head and totally altered his experience with the past into some fictional hell... i don't even get down on myself becuase of this.. there was nothing i could do. he was the one that got me to start reading about shrooms and get into them.. i didn't even talk to the person we got them from... idk. terrible experience. i think a lot of people's mental health issues wouldn't be as bad if they could have a team of professionals to help them if they need it... like i think my friend's first trips should've just been alone, maybe while a team watched him. he loved to paint. he could've just painted at the hospital.. they could have guided meditations and stuff for tripping people.

i dont' think psychedelics are really hard enough for most people that they need them in a hospital environment. like some people get HPPD, but most people don't really get effected. like i don't really feel as safe driving cause of my HPPD, but i'm a very small number.. psychedelics don't really disable most people or cause most of them to become delusional.

if i could take psychedelics in a hospital environment, i'd probably up my doses higher than i normally would.. i don't feel like getting arrested again. if it were legal, and a safe space, i'd be into dropping like 1000ugs of acid.. if i hit like 500ugs, i start to get ego loss.. i'd never even do more than like 200ugs with having to deal with living in a society where it's legal... i'd love it if doctors could just dose me all the time, and test me to see if i can stay grounded in reality... i seem to be able to take a lot of drugs and stay grounded for a schizophrenic person. i'd like to get studied to proove there are all different types of people.


edit: i've definitely told this story on BL about my friend's experience if this sounds familiar to anyone.

this is kind of off topic from nitrous... sorry about that... really makes me think that when kids start tripping, they should just go one friend at a time. you never know what's going to happen. no reason to even have a bunch of people tripping at once. if we had a trip sitter. i don't think that night would've been as bad.. you never know what someone's gonna be dealing with when you go into a trip with them, especially with teens just starting tripping.

just kind of saying, if nitrous were only available at the hospital, no one could drive on it. lol
 
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ideally, i think they could have a hospital like this, and if you check yourself in to trip and are a normal responsible person, you could get a prescription for lsd, or the right to grow shrooms... totally off topic again.. maybe i'll make a thread about this sometime.. not something i've really heard discussed on the net.
 
foodcrisis said:
i question whether or not psychedelics (and i feel like nitrous is really only used to boost psychedelics) should just be limited to a hospital type atmosphere. like anybody can check themselves into the hospital, take a trip, and then when it's over they get checked up on again to see how they are responding and if everything's fine, they can return to the real world.. maybe if someone wanted to make psychedelics their entire life style, they'd just live at the hospital.

i see so many reasons to just allow psychedelics for a person's home use... i just wouldn't be too pissed off if they turned drug use into something regulated that they checked up on... i think some people's experience, they'd be like "hell no to this idea..." i think having a hospital type place to do psychedelics would be good in some ways though. like they could have rooms full of art and light show rooms, and the hospitals could be located on forest reserves where people could experience nature..

what got me this idea was tripping in high school with my friend. one this friend and another friend took an 1/8th of shrooms each for one of our first times, and the third friend i didn't know as well freaked out and started slamming my car door over and over and wasn't responding to any thing i said. we were out in my yard chilling. he went up to my car and just started freaking out... so i was like to my other close friend this story is about, "let's go inside and wait for him to cool off and ring the bell.".... so we went inside, and i started to freak out about my child hood.. i had this bad experience with an older neighbor, and i was dwelling on it.. i thought my friend was cool to help me. i was gonna be like "dude when i was a kid, my neighbor..." i was going to say my neighbor mollested me and i couldn't deal with talking, we had to go outside and he had to deal with my other friend... so anyways, me talking apparently over whelmed my friend and he just passed the fuck out. i wasn't sure if he hit his head on a table falling. i was trying to test his pulse and couldn't tell what the fuck was going on. my other friend that was slamming the car door went to the convenience store near by and got arrested. i was holding my friend down from screaming while the cops were searching my yard. i could see from the window they were out there with flash lights.. terrible night. lol

but anyways, a few months later, my friend was starting to get really weird. was using a lot of other random non psychedelic drugs, and one time when i was tripping on one of my first low dose acid trips and he was just smoking weed, he was like "my father and older brother raped me when i was a kid." there's some other stuff for me to believe that he was schizophrenic, so i don't think this really happened.. i think me just saying "when i was a kid, my neighbor" caused him to think about molestation, and he had some hang ups with his dad and brother and i put the guided imagery in his head... he was saying, he was in a glass elevator going up and down while he was unconscious and his life was flashing before his eyes.. i think his mind made up a buunch of stuff.

this kid claimed psychedelics really helped his art, and i think this some people will view this as a tragedy and say schizophrenic people shouldn't trip.. honestly i think he might've been alright if he just had some counseling. like maybe we should've had counselers and if that really happened he felt like that was apart of our friendship, he should've told me when we weren't tripping. i honestly think i have some telepathic connection with this kid because of the music we made and i gave him a contact high while i was on acid and he just lost it. just stuff we've done with improv music is really special to me, and right after he told me about his supposed child hood, this other close friend of ours just showed up at my house for no reason and he never came over my house, and my cousin called me down the street to pick up our weed, so my other friend that stopped by dealt with my tripping friend and then i went to my cousins house to get grounded..

i think if he talked to a therapist before tripping and it was legal to trip. the therapists worked with teens to prepare them for a trip.. he would've had his childhood documented and if he didn't talk about having a bad childhood with the therapist and got these thoughts after tripping, i think there'd be a lot to look into.... i honestly think just me mentioning the few words not even be able to tell the whole story of my childhood, i really got in his head and totally altered his experience with the past into some fictional hell... i don't even get down on myself becuase of this.. there was nothing i could do. he was the one that got me to start reading about shrooms and get into them.. i didn't even talk to the person we got them from... idk. terrible experience. i think a lot of people's mental health issues wouldn't be as bad if they could have a team of professionals to help them if they need it... like i think my friend's first trips should've just been alone, maybe while a team watched him. he loved to paint. he could've just painted at the hospital.. they could have guided meditations and stuff for tripping people.

i dont' think psychedelics are really hard enough for most people that they need them in a hospital environment. like some people get HPPD, but most people don't really get effected. like i don't really feel as safe driving cause of my HPPD, but i'm a very small number.. psychedelics don't really disable most people or cause most of them to become delusional.

if i could take psychedelics in a hospital environment, i'd probably up my doses higher than i normally would.. i don't feel like getting arrested again. if it were legal, and a safe space, i'd be into dropping like 1000ugs of acid.. if i hit like 500ugs, i start to get ego loss.. i'd never even do more than like 200ugs with having to deal with living in a society where it's legal... i'd love it if doctors could just dose me all the time, and test me to see if i can stay grounded in reality... i seem to be able to take a lot of drugs and stay grounded for a schizophrenic person. i'd like to get studied to proove there are all different types of people.


edit: i've definitely told this story on BL about my friend's experience if this sounds familiar to anyone.

this is kind of off topic from nitrous... sorry about that... really makes me think that when kids start tripping, they should just go one friend at a time. you never know what's going to happen. no reason to even have a bunch of people tripping at once. if we had a trip sitter. i don't think that night would've been as bad.. you never know what someone's gonna be dealing with when you go into a trip with them, especially with teens just starting tripping.

just kind of saying, if nitrous were only available at the hospital, no one could drive on it. lol
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I think it would be a great thing for psychedelics to be legal, and to have a safe zone with care to have those experiences at. But I don't necessarily think that type of thing should ever be mandated, I think many people need total freedom when they trip. Being confined can also create complications.

That said, I appreciate hearing your perspective and your story :) that's some crazy shit to happen, and processing trauma from childhood is often messy and uncomfortable
 
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