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Nicotine "THE most addictive drug"? SERIOUSLY??

It is incredibly contradictory. Basically during Obama's presidency the federal government has taken a stance that they won't seek to prosecute or go after it in states where it's legalized. But officially it's still a schedule 1 drug. I am quite sure it's because the drug war is very profitable for some people, and weed being illegal also allows them to lock up and enter certain groups of the population into the prison industrial complex. It allows for-profit prisons to fill their capacity and make more money, and it allows them to subjugate various groups. It's really fucked up. But, I don't think the day is far off where it will be federally legalized, more and more the people in power are realizing what a massive industry it is becoming and they want a piece. Also individual states are realizing it even faster because states like Colorado have a budget surplus, brand new infrastructure and schools and so forth, whereas many states are really struggling money-wise and are seeing that they could be making a huge tax revenue.

I just hope they retroactively pardon people who are already in prison, let them out and remove their "crimes" from their records. As we speak many people are still being incarcerated for weed offenses, when at the same time, people in the legal states are making huge sums of money doing the exact same thing.

It seems state laws to me anyway are completely pointless and powerless. I mean which law do u abide to lol, state or federal? In my opinion I think the Federal gov should be abolished because having them both contradict each other. Oh and they need to ban the NRA so they stop lobbying the Goverment not to ban guns. Repeal the second amendment and ban guns so these senseless school shootings can stop. Its guns that should be banned not weed, guns kill, weed doesnt.
 
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Sorry no I still dont get it lol. In Colorado weed is completely legalized and weed shops have been built why aren't the police, FBI, or DEA shutting them down?
Though weed is completely legalized in Colorado (because the state's residences voted for it), the federal government still has the authority to shut them down whenever they want and seize all of their property, arresting them. Because it's still illegal on a federal level. The State police cant do that, but the federal government can. Im sorry, it can be confusing for people who don't live here lol

We have federal law enforcement (who has authority in all 50 states Ie. the FBI) and then have state/local law enforcement who only has jurisdiction in the state/county they work in.

Federal laws apply to everyone in the United States and State/local laws apply to people who live or work in a particular state, commonwealth, territory, county, city, municipality, town, township or village. Federal laws are rules that apply throughout the United States. State laws are rules that apply to individual states. Though a law might be legal on a state level, it might not be legal on a federal level (making it still illegal, technically)
 
Well in most cases a particular area of law is either dictated on a federal OR a state level. A lot of laws are purely governed by the state. It's just that in this case, it's different because individual states had enough and were like "fuck it, we're gonna make our own laws, this is ridiculous". Generally there isn't this kind of overlap. Sometimes it switches too... for example, legal alcohol age used to vary by state, but at some point the federal government decided it was going to be 21 everywhere and states had to comply because they were really strict about that one. In the case of legal cannabis, it started happening at a time when presidents were not really caring about it much. And now in a handful of years it's likely to switch back to being a state-mandated law rather than a federal law. But most areas are one or the other.

IMO the federal government is important, otherwise we're 50 tiny little separate countries.

You're gonna open a can of worms with that stuff man... people love their guns here and the NRA is ridiculously influential in the government (each congressman/woman has an NRA "report card" grading scale and it determines how much money they're given and it is determined by how much they will do the NRA's bidding. It's absurd).

Anyway let's not start talking about gun control because it's gonna get way off topic and we'll have to move those posts in the Current Events and Politics forum or remove them.
 
Not if you have a prescription and are in a state where it is legal. If you then take that weed into a state where it isn't legal, they can arrest you.

Technically you could still be prosecuted federally it's just that would never happen. The feds don't ever get involved except with distribution or higher level stuff, you're never going to get federally prosecuted for having a personal quantity of weed and you never would have even before medical. But medical is illegal under federal law too, still. Weed is still federally schedule 1 which means it has no accepted medical use.
 
The chart that Dr D Nutt made makes some sense and Tobacco is 6th.


Alcohol
Heroin
Crack Cocaine
Meth Amphetamine
Cocaine, are the runner up's.

It's so subjective, honestly. I know some people that hate alcohol but have all sorts of other drug problems. For me alcohol is pretty addictive but opiates were far more. Some people find meth more addictive than crack, and some the other way around. There is no absolute ranking possible.
 
It's so subjective, honestly. I know some people that hate alcohol but have all sorts of other drug problems. For me alcohol is pretty addictive but opiates were far more. Some people find meth more addictive than crack, and some the other way around. There is no absolute ranking possible.

I find amphetamine sulphate more addictive than meth or crack. Cocaine (or crack) just isn't worth it to me. It's so expensive and lasts such a short time. Meth I feel is a little *too* much. It makes it so I'm frantically jumping around a million miles an hour with an almost-unbearable amount of energy. Amphetamine is perfect to me. The exact amount of energy/appetite suppression (I have an eating disorder) and euphoria I want but it doesn't give me psychosis (unless I use several times a day for 3+ months) or make me jittery or pick at my skin or anything.
 
Scientists consider nicotine the most addictive drug on earth. Smokers will stop at nothing to get their fix, yet nicotine does not cause crime. no one is getting robbed because of nicotine. Girls arent prostituting for it. Because its LEGAL. Drug prohibition has made drugs so expensive it has driven boys to steal and girls to prostitute. So why are endangering our citizens with a drug war? Is it to stop drug overdose? Nope. Before drug prohibition, overdose was extremely rare. Opium eradication drove people to use heroin and opiods that are more potent and easier to smuggle. Marijuana eradication drove people to smoke deadly synthetic canabanoids, especially within our prisons where hundreds of people die from canabanoid overdose every month. If you want to know who is to blame for all the drug overdoses in your community look no further than your local sherriff's department. One drop of pure nicotine is lethal but E-Cig shops are on every corner and no one overdoses because the potency of legal drugs can be easily regulated. No one drinks pure ethanol because beer is legal. And no one would use heroin if smokable opium were legal.
 
Scientists consider nicotine the most addictive drug on earth. Smokers will stop at nothing to get their fix, yet nicotine does not cause crime. no one is getting robbed because of nicotine. Girls arent prostituting for it. Because its LEGAL. Drug prohibition has made drugs so expensive it has driven boys to steal and girls to prostitute. So why are endangering our citizens with a drug war? Is it to stop drug overdose? Nope. Before drug prohibition, overdose was extremely rare. Opium eradication drove people to use heroin and opiods that are more potent and easier to smuggle. Marijuana eradication drove people to smoke deadly synthetic canabanoids, especially within our prisons where hundreds of people die from canabanoid overdose every month. If you want to know who is to blame for all the drug overdoses in your community look no further than your local sherriff's department. One drop of pure nicotine is lethal but E-Cig shops are on every corner and no one overdoses because the potency of legal drugs can be easily regulated. No one drinks pure ethanol because beer is legal. And no one would use heroin if smokable opium were legal.

I'll admit I have prostituted for heroin, Xanax and alcohol. But even if nicotine were made illegal there's no way in hell I'd suck dick for a pack of cigarettes, and I can't imagine *anyone* would. I wouldn't even bother sourcing black market nicotine. I'd just give up smoking and I wouldn't even be that bothered
 
Yeah, nicotine is just SO readily available and cheap. If it wasn't, I'd almost be thankful because then I wouldn't be able to use it and others around me wouldn't either. It's just thrust into our faces all the time. it's something that's hard to quit because it's easy to get. People in the depths of addiction to the most addictive hard drugs would do anything for them no matter how hard. Trust me, I know.
 
I agree it’s subjective. But it seems Oxycodone is the most addictive substance in the world. I remember reading somewhere it is basically specifically formulated to be addicting and some ridiculous percentage of people who use Oxy become addicted to it.
Oxycodone was first synthesized in 1916. It wasn't "specifically formulated to be addicting".
 
Sometimes it switches too... for example, legal alcohol age used to vary by state, but at some point the federal government decided it was going to be 21 everywhere and states had to comply because they were really strict about that one.
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As with Most All Things in the USA it is Driven by $$$$$$$$$$$ The federal Govt wanted to have a country wide age increase on Alcohol ( MADD and a bunch of other groups where fed up with all the Deaths of young people in Cars, and killing others)
So To qualify for FEDERAL Grant money for Roads ( which the States sent in " their $$$to begin with Taxes) They had to raise their Legal drinking age!!!!!
I am very torn on this subject as a 58 year old male who has been sober for over 35 years, I do not think that the higher age limit has helped.
After spending time in Europe and seeing may different law on Booze, Ang Very little to NO BINGE DRINKING which is rampet here in the US among young people ?
 
Maybe have a look here:

 
But even if nicotine were made illegal there's no way in hell I'd suck dick for a pack of cigarettes, and I can't imagine *anyone* would.

From the Consumers Union Report on Licit and Illicit Drugs:

The third effort to distinguish cigarette use from addiction alleges that cigarette use does not lead to antisocial behavior. As shown in Part I, however, it is not heroin addiction but the limited availability and high cost of black-market heroin which leads to antisocial behavior among heroin addicts. Much the same is true with respect to nicotine addiction. When the supply of cigarettes is curtailed, cigarette smokers behave remarkably like heroin addicts. Following World War II, for example, the tobacco ration in Germany was cut to two packs per month for men and one pack per month for women. Dr. F. I. Arntzen of the Research Center for Psychodiagnosis in Munster, Germany, questioned hundreds of Germans during this cigarette famine, and reported his findings in the American Journal of Psychology in 1948.

"Up to a point," Dr. Arntzen noted,

"the majority of the habitual smokers preferred to do without food even under extreme conditions of nutrition rather than to forego tobacco. Thus, when food rations in prisoner-of-war camps were down to 900-1000 calories, smokers were still willing to barter their food rations for tobacco. Of 300 German civilians questioned, 256 had obtained tobacco at the black market, 37 had bought tobacco and food, and only 5 had bought food but no tobacco. Many housewives who were smokers bartered fat and sugar for cigarettes. In disregard of considerations of personal dignity, conventional decorum, and esthetic-hygienic feelings, cigarette butts were picked up out of the street dirt by people who, on their own statements, would in any other circumstances have felt disgust at such contact. Smokers also condescended to beg for tobacco, but not for other things...."

In reports on subjective impressions, 80 percent of those questioned declared that it felt worse to do without nicotine than without alcohol. *

* Reports of women who are willing to prostitute themselves for a carton of cigarettes, and of men who trade stolen goods for cigarettes, are also common during and after wars.

From a population-level perspective, tobacco is extraordinarily addictive. A recent survey of U.K. citizens found that between 60.9 and 76.9 percent of people who try one cigarette become daily smokers. This, despite tobacco being the recreational drug with the clearest link to serious harm with chronic use. If you then consider that, in the U.S., only 55% of people who have ever been smokers have quit, that leads to the conclusion that, assuming the situations in the U.K. and U.S. are comparable, about 27-35% of people who have ever tried a cigarette are current smokers. If you look at past month versus lifetime use of drugs like crack cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine, they all fall between 5 and 10%.
 
IMO the most addictive drugs are:

Opioids (Oxycodone more specifically and it's supplied by my doctor crazy isn't it?)
Cocaine (Inc. Crack but never tried it)
Benzos (Alprazolam more specifically)
Nicotine
Cannabis
Alcohol (Never been much of a drinker tbh)

And yeah Guns need to be banned in the US and im prepared to argue about it!! That 2nd amendment is the most crazy piece of policy on earth!!

We should adopt the Portuguese way... legalise ALL drugs = No drug dealers.

EDIT: I'd include Meth but I've never tried it so I can't comment.
 
Everybody is different and there is no true metric for determining the absolute addictive potential of any drug. We only can try to construct a fairly accurate picture of what is more addictive than any other substance based upon what we observe. I see how this might be an interesting debate, but the only thing that you will ever arrive at is more of the same conjecture and opinion that you started with. That is the reason this thread is so long.
 
I'll admit I have prostituted for heroin, Xanax and alcohol. But even if nicotine were made illegal there's no way in hell I'd suck dick for a pack of cigarettes, and I can't imagine *anyone* would. I wouldn't even bother sourcing black market nicotine. I'd just give up smoking and I wouldn't even be that bothered
I've done 5 years in prison. And believe me, men are prostituting for nicotine every day within our prisons. You want to see how nicotine prohibition would effect society? Take a look within our prison system. Gangs run tobacco, inmates stab and rob one another daily on nicotine's behalf
 
Nicotine is one that creeps up on you at first you have a smoke after having an argument then one in the morning before you know it your smoking 40 a day well on your way
 
I don't understand how Nicotine is arguably the most addictive drug on earth becuase it gives no noticable euphoria or any other pleasurable feelings. Alls it does is make u feel dizzy if ur a first time user.
 
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