bit_pattern
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Try chantix. E-cig'a only going to maintain your addiction
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Nicotine / smoking mega-thread *mega merged*
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previouslyhere
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My Mom used Chantix to quit last February and from what she says she hasn't had a cig since since last February when she started.
She's been smoking for 35 years on a daily basis. She's tried everything there is incld. cold turkey to quit and has had some success [almost a year at the longest] but nothing worked like Chantix. I can't tell you how much she's spent on patches and gum... probably the cost of some people's first cars!
Smoking 'means' different things to different people, so some people are simply not meant or can not go cold turkey. An uncle of mine smoked for 40 years and just quit cold turkey when they placed the smoking ban on bars and rasied cig prices through the roof here in New York. People like my mom, or me - where smoking is more habitual and mental - could never quit cold turkey. You kind of sound like that too. Try chantix and let us know!
Good luck!
Also a friend of mine does the E-Cigarettes now so he can use them at his desk at work - because of how easy it is he is using them more than he used to smoke real cigarettes...and the whole point of him switching was to quit. Now he found out they have different flavor 'tobacco' cartridges ...hes definitely not stopping any time soon. One plus about the E-cigs is that you're not getting all of the off-brand shit that is in smoked cigarettes and depending on where you're located, E-Cigs might be cheaper in the long run. Here in NYC cigs are anywhere from $8 to $11.50 a pack depending on the brand and which neighborhood you're in. In the hood they're $6 without tax-stamps... and they're talking about raising the price another $1.00 across the whole state! I gotta quit soon too!
She's been smoking for 35 years on a daily basis. She's tried everything there is incld. cold turkey to quit and has had some success [almost a year at the longest] but nothing worked like Chantix. I can't tell you how much she's spent on patches and gum... probably the cost of some people's first cars!
Smoking 'means' different things to different people, so some people are simply not meant or can not go cold turkey. An uncle of mine smoked for 40 years and just quit cold turkey when they placed the smoking ban on bars and rasied cig prices through the roof here in New York. People like my mom, or me - where smoking is more habitual and mental - could never quit cold turkey. You kind of sound like that too. Try chantix and let us know!
Good luck!
Also a friend of mine does the E-Cigarettes now so he can use them at his desk at work - because of how easy it is he is using them more than he used to smoke real cigarettes...and the whole point of him switching was to quit. Now he found out they have different flavor 'tobacco' cartridges ...hes definitely not stopping any time soon. One plus about the E-cigs is that you're not getting all of the off-brand shit that is in smoked cigarettes and depending on where you're located, E-Cigs might be cheaper in the long run. Here in NYC cigs are anywhere from $8 to $11.50 a pack depending on the brand and which neighborhood you're in. In the hood they're $6 without tax-stamps... and they're talking about raising the price another $1.00 across the whole state! I gotta quit soon too!
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The Hebrew Hammer
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when i looked into e- cigarettes a while ago all my research told me there was no nicotine in them, that was the major reason I decided not to look into them anyfurther, I dont know if i read some bad info , or if things have changed in the last year or so.... can someone enlighten me?
addictivepersona
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You really should read The Easy Way To Stop Smoking by Allen Carr. Someone on here recommended it to me the other day, I bought it, have read through it halfway, and I know I'm going to be quit soon. And by soon, I mean within the next few days, not the next few weeks.
Grace-see
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smoking while pregnant
I've heard people say don't smoke while you are pregnant, but I've seen many people that do, and their babys seem to turn out healthy, why do people say don't smoke or is it just people who are against smoking in the first place so they keep to their guns and say don't... What is your opinion.
I've heard people say don't smoke while you are pregnant, but I've seen many people that do, and their babys seem to turn out healthy, why do people say don't smoke or is it just people who are against smoking in the first place so they keep to their guns and say don't... What is your opinion.
CoffeeDrinker
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My cousins have some developmental disabilities due to my aunt smoking during pregnancy.
The oldest is pretty much perfectly normal although he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, the middle is mentally at the level of a little girl while being 27, and the youngest has lots of social and learning disabilities.
I wouldn't recommend it.
The oldest is pretty much perfectly normal although he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, the middle is mentally at the level of a little girl while being 27, and the youngest has lots of social and learning disabilities.
I wouldn't recommend it.
davem
Bluelighter
My wife had vision problems and was looking for advice regards treatment. It was early days of the 'net and we encounterd an optical specialist from the U.s (we're in the UK). this was impressive enough for us anyway and the knowledge base accessible in the US was far in excess of that that could be accessed in the UK at the time. After several exchanges, the medic discovered that we both smoked, and my wife only smoked 2-5 cigarettes a day at the time. She sent us a list of the systems in the human body that are affected by smoking. We both gave up after 30 years of smoking within the week, with no helps, patches or anything else.
I wish we'd had the sense to keep the list. It was the most powerful arguement against smoking that we'd ever seen, before or since. Suffice to say there is almost no system in the human body that isn't adversely affected by the effects of smoking.
Regards smoking whilst pregnant, my wifes view (and to be honest, so is mine), is why would you ?
Obviously this is anecdotal and not factual, but you asked for opinions, and this is mine....
You have to ask your self - do you really want this baby? - if not, why are you pregnant - if you do, don't you want to give it the best start you possibly can in life? - and if you do, why would you want to force it to have to deal with a major toxin while trying to get through those first few essential months of developing......
I appreciate you may not be pregnant, you are just seeking information - if you are, hope it's a great one and all goes well
I wish we'd had the sense to keep the list. It was the most powerful arguement against smoking that we'd ever seen, before or since. Suffice to say there is almost no system in the human body that isn't adversely affected by the effects of smoking.
Regards smoking whilst pregnant, my wifes view (and to be honest, so is mine), is why would you ?
Obviously this is anecdotal and not factual, but you asked for opinions, and this is mine....
You have to ask your self - do you really want this baby? - if not, why are you pregnant - if you do, don't you want to give it the best start you possibly can in life? - and if you do, why would you want to force it to have to deal with a major toxin while trying to get through those first few essential months of developing......
I appreciate you may not be pregnant, you are just seeking information - if you are, hope it's a great one and all goes well
Clean_Cut
Bluelighter
My auntie smoked through her pregnancy and her young boy still cant walk or talk properly...hes been diagnosed with something but I cant rememeber what it was...hes about 3 now. Pretty upsetting really.
8L4YN3
Bluelighter
Seriously just stop smoking while you're pregnant, it's not really something you should be consulting bluelight about, it's very basic common sense that it wont be doing your developing baby any favours.
Wouldn't you want to give your baby the best chance you could at having him or her develop healthy? Wouldn't you feel better knowing you did everything in your power to acheive this, and weren't too fucking selfish to stop your habit in the name of your babies well being.
It's common sense, your baby comes before yourself, stop smoking, and just not for your baby but for yourself, it's pretty rock solid that smoking is bad for you, not just some bullshit do-gooders like to use to make themselves feel good.
Wouldn't you want to give your baby the best chance you could at having him or her develop healthy? Wouldn't you feel better knowing you did everything in your power to acheive this, and weren't too fucking selfish to stop your habit in the name of your babies well being.
It's common sense, your baby comes before yourself, stop smoking, and just not for your baby but for yourself, it's pretty rock solid that smoking is bad for you, not just some bullshit do-gooders like to use to make themselves feel good.
ebola?
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This type of data is rather poor. For example, anyone could point to a large number of lard-asses who died of heart disease but also a large number who didn't.
My 'opinion' is that smoked cigarettes are teratogenic, presenting risks of premature birth, low birth rate, and likely deleterious effects on the development of attentional faculties. While not nearly as harmful as, say, ethanol, why not avoid a known risk to one's fetus?
ebola
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LoveAlways
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"Healthy" and "Fine" are very relative terms. As some listed above, I think developmental disabilities that might not show up until later in life are what is most commonly affected. Low birth weight is also what I've heard. Stillborn being the worst thing that could happen.
Someone might appear to be "just fine" when you first meet them, but there may be several underlying problems that can be very difficult to live with.
Someone might appear to be "just fine" when you first meet them, but there may be several underlying problems that can be very difficult to live with.
SpelunkingTheMind
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I would definitely talk to a doctor before making a decision either way, and I think in part it actually depends on how much you smoke.
NOT to say smoking while pregnant is good (obviously it's not and poses many harmful risks to the baby), but I've actually heard that the baby is affected MUCH more by nicotine withdrawals, and that those withdrawals are REALLY bad for him/her. As in significantly worse than the damage which continued smoking would do.
Smoking is hurting your baby, so you want to cut back, but gradually so you don't put your system through harsh withdrawal. I've heard particularly that nicotine withdrawal during the first trimester significantly increases the risk of miscarrying..
Bottom line - talk to your doctor. Don't assume the best thing is to quit cold turkey and suffer the withdrawals, because your baby might be suffering more.
NOT to say smoking while pregnant is good (obviously it's not and poses many harmful risks to the baby), but I've actually heard that the baby is affected MUCH more by nicotine withdrawals, and that those withdrawals are REALLY bad for him/her. As in significantly worse than the damage which continued smoking would do.
Smoking is hurting your baby, so you want to cut back, but gradually so you don't put your system through harsh withdrawal. I've heard particularly that nicotine withdrawal during the first trimester significantly increases the risk of miscarrying..
Bottom line - talk to your doctor. Don't assume the best thing is to quit cold turkey and suffer the withdrawals, because your baby might be suffering more.
8L4YN3
Bluelighter
I wonder if it is the effects of nicotine or smoking themselves that presents that harm to the baby, perhaps like spelunkingthemind is kinda suggesting, keep nicotine consumption up could save the baby going through nicotine withdrawal, perhaps switching to gums or patches would be a better option than inducting particulate matter carcinogenic smoke into the lungs.
Z Y G G Y
Bluelighter
Just some info I found here:
SMOKING DURING PREGNANCY
Smoking During Pregnancy
Smoking is a major public health problem. All smokers face an increased risk of lung cancer, other lung diseases, and cardiovascular and other disorders. Smoking during pregnancy can harm the health of both a woman and her unborn baby. Currently, at least 10 percent of women in the United States smoke during pregnancy (1).
In the United States and in other industrialized countries, 18 percent of women smoke (2). This proportion is somewhat smaller in developing countries where only 8 percent of women smoke (3). Statistics from the United States are compelling. According to the U.S. Public Health Service (4), if all pregnant women in this country stopped smoking, there would be an estimated:
* 11 percent reduction in stillbirths
* 5 percent reduction in newborn deaths
Cigarette smoke contains more than 2,500 chemicals. It is not known for certain which of these chemicals are harmful to the developing baby, but both nicotine and carbon monoxide play a role in causing adverse pregnancy outcomes.
How can smoking harm the newborn?
Smoking nearly doubles a woman's risk of having a low-birthweight baby. In 2004, 11.9 percent of babies born to smokers in the United States were of low birthweight (less than 5½ pounds), compared to 7.2 percent of babies of nonsmokers (1). Low birthweight can result from poor growth before birth, preterm delivery or a combination of both. Smoking has long been known to slow fetal growth. Smoking also increases the risk of preterm delivery (before 37 weeks of gestation) (5). Premature and low-birthweight babies face an increased risk of serious health problems during the newborn period, chronic lifelong disabilities (such as cerebral palsy, mental retardation and learning problems), and even death.
The more a pregnant woman smokes, the greater her risk of having a low-birthweight baby. However, if a woman stops smoking even by the end of her second trimester of pregnancy, she is no more likely to have a low-birthweight baby than a woman who never smoked (6).
A recent study suggests that women who smoke anytime during the month before pregnancy to the end of the first trimester are more likely to have a baby with birth defects, particularly congenital heart defects (7). The risk of heart defects appears to increase with the number of cigarettes a woman smokes.
Can smoking cause pregnancy complications?
Smoking is associated with a number of pregnancy complications. Smoking cigarettes doubles a woman's risk of developing placental problems (4). These include:
* Placenta previa (a low-lying placenta that covers part or all of the opening of the uterus)
* Placental abruption (in which the placenta peels away, partially or almost completely, from the uterine wall before delivery)
Both can result in heavy bleeding during delivery that can endanger mother and baby, although cesarean delivery can prevent most deaths.
Smoking in pregnancy increases a woman's risk of premature rupture of the membranes (PROM), when the sac that holds the baby inside the uterus breaks before completion of 37 weeks of pregnancy (4). (Usually, when it breaks, normal labor ensues within a few hours.) If the rupture occurs before 37 weeks of pregnancy, it often results in the birth of a premature baby.
A 2003 study suggests that babies of mothers who smoke during pregnancy undergo withdrawal-like symptoms similar to those seen in babies of mothers who use some illicit drugs (8). For example, babies of smokers appear to be more jittery and difficult to soothe than babies of nonsmokers.
Babies whose mothers smoked during pregnancy are up to three times as likely to die from sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) as babies of nonsmokers (5).
SEEMS LIKE ITS MUCH MUCH BETTER TO STAY AWAY FROM SMOKING WHILE PREGNANT AND IF YOU FOUND OUT YOU'RE PREGNANT WHILE SMOKED TO REDUCE THE NICOTINE CONTENT WITH GUM OR SOME SUBSTITUTE QUICKLY UNTIL YOU DON'T DO IT AT ALL.
CAN'T BE GOOD. SOME MAY TURN OUT OK, BUT WhyTheFuck RISK IT? IT'S YOUR BABY'S ONLY CHANCE AT DEVELOPMENT. HE OR SHE WON'T HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AT DEVELOPMENT IN THE WOMB EVER AGAIN.
SMOKING DURING PREGNANCY
Smoking During Pregnancy
Smoking is a major public health problem. All smokers face an increased risk of lung cancer, other lung diseases, and cardiovascular and other disorders. Smoking during pregnancy can harm the health of both a woman and her unborn baby. Currently, at least 10 percent of women in the United States smoke during pregnancy (1).
In the United States and in other industrialized countries, 18 percent of women smoke (2). This proportion is somewhat smaller in developing countries where only 8 percent of women smoke (3). Statistics from the United States are compelling. According to the U.S. Public Health Service (4), if all pregnant women in this country stopped smoking, there would be an estimated:
* 11 percent reduction in stillbirths
* 5 percent reduction in newborn deaths
Cigarette smoke contains more than 2,500 chemicals. It is not known for certain which of these chemicals are harmful to the developing baby, but both nicotine and carbon monoxide play a role in causing adverse pregnancy outcomes.
How can smoking harm the newborn?
Smoking nearly doubles a woman's risk of having a low-birthweight baby. In 2004, 11.9 percent of babies born to smokers in the United States were of low birthweight (less than 5½ pounds), compared to 7.2 percent of babies of nonsmokers (1). Low birthweight can result from poor growth before birth, preterm delivery or a combination of both. Smoking has long been known to slow fetal growth. Smoking also increases the risk of preterm delivery (before 37 weeks of gestation) (5). Premature and low-birthweight babies face an increased risk of serious health problems during the newborn period, chronic lifelong disabilities (such as cerebral palsy, mental retardation and learning problems), and even death.
The more a pregnant woman smokes, the greater her risk of having a low-birthweight baby. However, if a woman stops smoking even by the end of her second trimester of pregnancy, she is no more likely to have a low-birthweight baby than a woman who never smoked (6).
A recent study suggests that women who smoke anytime during the month before pregnancy to the end of the first trimester are more likely to have a baby with birth defects, particularly congenital heart defects (7). The risk of heart defects appears to increase with the number of cigarettes a woman smokes.
Can smoking cause pregnancy complications?
Smoking is associated with a number of pregnancy complications. Smoking cigarettes doubles a woman's risk of developing placental problems (4). These include:
* Placenta previa (a low-lying placenta that covers part or all of the opening of the uterus)
* Placental abruption (in which the placenta peels away, partially or almost completely, from the uterine wall before delivery)
Both can result in heavy bleeding during delivery that can endanger mother and baby, although cesarean delivery can prevent most deaths.
Smoking in pregnancy increases a woman's risk of premature rupture of the membranes (PROM), when the sac that holds the baby inside the uterus breaks before completion of 37 weeks of pregnancy (4). (Usually, when it breaks, normal labor ensues within a few hours.) If the rupture occurs before 37 weeks of pregnancy, it often results in the birth of a premature baby.
A 2003 study suggests that babies of mothers who smoke during pregnancy undergo withdrawal-like symptoms similar to those seen in babies of mothers who use some illicit drugs (8). For example, babies of smokers appear to be more jittery and difficult to soothe than babies of nonsmokers.
Babies whose mothers smoked during pregnancy are up to three times as likely to die from sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) as babies of nonsmokers (5).
SEEMS LIKE ITS MUCH MUCH BETTER TO STAY AWAY FROM SMOKING WHILE PREGNANT AND IF YOU FOUND OUT YOU'RE PREGNANT WHILE SMOKED TO REDUCE THE NICOTINE CONTENT WITH GUM OR SOME SUBSTITUTE QUICKLY UNTIL YOU DON'T DO IT AT ALL.
CAN'T BE GOOD. SOME MAY TURN OUT OK, BUT WhyTheFuck RISK IT? IT'S YOUR BABY'S ONLY CHANCE AT DEVELOPMENT. HE OR SHE WON'T HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AT DEVELOPMENT IN THE WOMB EVER AGAIN.
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Grace-see
Greenlighter
Thank you to everyone for their responses. Although I am not pregnant yet, I do smoke and all your answers make me think more openly towards the situation, all the best!
GenericMind
Bluelighter
Refusing to quit smoking while pregnant with my child would be enough for me to divorce someone.
ThaiDie4
Bluelighter
Yeah, im gunna go with the majority here and say its definently not a good idea...
There are always cases where the mother smokes during pregnancy and the baby ends up "ok"... my aunt smoked through out her pregnancy with my cousin, and physically\developmentally he is fine. But a lot of pregnancies don't end up that way, sadly :/
There are always cases where the mother smokes during pregnancy and the baby ends up "ok"... my aunt smoked through out her pregnancy with my cousin, and physically\developmentally he is fine. But a lot of pregnancies don't end up that way, sadly :/
SpelunkingTheMind
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Yea, if you're not pregnant yet then there's really no excuse for smoking during pregnancy.. that said, you need to stop (and specifically, get past the withdrawals) BEFORE you're pregnant, don't think you can smoke up until you're pregnant and THEN quit. Also, as I understand it, the nicotine itself (rather than/on top of inhaling smoke) is very harmful, so patches/gums during pregnancy might be better than smoking but are still bad.
If you're going to try to get pregnant, and you have your baby's health in mind, quit completely first.
If you're going to try to get pregnant, and you have your baby's health in mind, quit completely first.
Perpetual Indulgence
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I would want my baby to have the advantages possible that I could provide and that starts when planning to become pregnant.
I would not smoke, drink, or use drugs that were not okay'd by my ob-gyn.
These abstinences ( I don't think that is a word) would continue after the baby was born.
I am not having children but I don't care what other mothers choose to do.
I would not smoke, drink, or use drugs that were not okay'd by my ob-gyn.
These abstinences ( I don't think that is a word) would continue after the baby was born.
I am not having children but I don't care what other mothers choose to do.