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Nicotine / smoking mega-thread *mega merged*

When I was a smoker I would rarely smoke in public (meaning outside on the street). My mother told me it was tawdry. She started smoking at 14. She said she was a terrible example and that I shouldn't smoke but if I must then keep it private. When the laws changed regarding smoking in bars and restaurants as a then smoker I had no problem with it. I would go to these establishments less and entertain at home so we could smoke. Although, cigarettes have never been welcome in our home. You have to go outside.

I remember when there were ashtrays on planes, trains, and movie theaters. Yup, I am that old.
 
PI said:
She said she was a terrible example and that I shouldn't smoke but if I must then keep it private.
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Sound's like Korea's social 'policy' toward women, lol. However, this seems bizarrely backward. Smoking inside in whatever venue is just so much more annoying to non-smokers than smoking outside (and with prohibitions of smoking indoors, non-smokers can't really complain about outdoor smoking, as people can't really smoke elsewhere).

ebola
 
Jean-Paul said:
you can fucking handle it or fuck off.
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Lol this thread is full of a bunch of whining, bitching, complaining smokers because you can't smoke indoors in public.. and then to say non-smokers are the whiners, how ironic 8(

People quit referring to the 1970s, its 2012 ffs.

The link between second hand smoke and cancer has already been proven, along with a host of other breathing problems. Don't deny the facts.

I have friends who smoke, they step outside for a few mins and come back in like its no big fucking deal, they don't complain.

Just because you don't give a shit about your lungs or body doesn't mean no one else should either.

@ OP ... yes you can drink yourself to death because no one else will be drinking it in, smoke on the other hand roams around and other people will breath it. Liquid and smoke are different if you haven't realized it yet. Time to put down the booze so you can figure that shit out.

I'm not trying to bash smokers, friends of mine smoke and have no problem not being able to do it in public. Just the amount of bitching in this thread is rediculous, like its sooo hard to step outside for 2 mins and smoke your little fucking fags.

Such a pointless, wasteful, unhealthy habit. Why is this even in healthy living ? For the record I smoked for a few years as a teenager, before I realized how unintelligent it is to smoke.
 
Let me start off by saying that I am on again off again smoker. I'd probably currently smoke if I could afford it, but who knows. The last time I quit was only because of finances. However, I really don't enjoy most things with cigarettes: The lingering smell, the stains on clothes/fingers/teeth, etc.

I don't feel governments should be able to say "no smoking on this property" unless it is owned by the government. I do feel that individual venue owners should be able to allow smoking or disallow smoking on and in their facility's property--And this includes the "outdoor" area.

ebola? said:
Smoking inside in whatever venue is just so much more annoying to non-smokers than smoking outside (and with prohibitions of smoking indoors, non-smokers can't really complain about outdoor smoking, as people can't really smoke elsewhere).
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You can't buy alcohol in movie theaters where I am. You can't legally drink it in your car or out on the street. But you can drink it in your own home. I'm not saying smoking should be shunned and only done in the privacy of one's home, but I am saying that despite having crack downs on smoking and smoke-free zones, there are places people can smoke.

Just playing devil's advocate. I've never really had a problem with not being able to smoke where I wanted to... The couple places I went (hospitals/LTC mainly) that didn't allow smoking on the premises (and enforced it), just meant you had to walk a little bit further than just outside the front door. ;)
 
I agree it should be up to the business if they allow smoking. Im sure there would still be plenty of places you couldnt smoke but it would atleast give people the option instead of controlling them and controlling what a business can and cant do when it comes to allowing customers to smoke at the very least.
 
I'm not a smoker, and I've never been one. I agree with indoor smoking bans, but there should be outdoor smoking areas everywhere. Walking past smokers for maybe five seconds isn't that big of a deal. It's a fact of life that there's a lot of things that are bad for us, and it's simply impossible to insulate ourselves from it all. It's a matter of minimizing our exposures to said elements. Not smoking indoors is a way for smokers to respect non-smokers' right to abstain from the habit. Outdoor areas should be allotted in order for non-smokers to respect smokers' right to partake.
 
I don't even smoke but I agree with what most people have said in this thread...it should be up to the fucking person and they shouldn't try restricting it so much it's fucking rediculous. My school just passed a smoking ban and now you can't smoke ANYWHERE on campus...wtf?!
 
Why not let the business decide if they want to allow smoking indoors then everyone can make their own decision. Some places will, some places wont, and the crowds will disperse accordingly.
 
How often do you have to smoke cigarettes in order to start getting withdrawals?

Perhaps there is a fine line between physical, psychological, and mental nicotine withdrawals, but I'd like to know (if its possible at this point in physiological science to know) how often do you have to smoke in order to start getting withdrawals from cigarettes/nicotine?

I was under the impression that in order for a drug to start causing true physical withdrawals, it must be in the person's system (at some level) 24 hours a day -- but the half life of nicotine is only 2 hours.. which would mean that a physically addicted smoker would have to wake up during the night just to smoke so they could get rid of withdrawals (assuming that they sleep at least 6 hours a night).. i dont know any smokers who do that (maybe some do).

Or is the addiction to nicotine purely psychological and mental? I just don't know..
 
Addiction to nicotine is physical and psychological. Either way it can be kicked to the curb like the dirty habit it is.
I quit Sept 17th.
 
SpunkySkunk347 said:
Perhaps there is a fine line between physical, psychological, and mental nicotine withdrawals, but I'd like to know (if its possible at this point in physiological science to know) how often do you have to smoke in order to start getting withdrawals from cigarettes/nicotine?

I was under the impression that in order for a drug to start causing true physical withdrawals, it must be in the person's system (at some level) 24 hours a day -- but the half life of nicotine is only 2 hours.. which would mean that a physically addicted smoker would have to wake up during the night just to smoke so they could get rid of withdrawals (assuming that they sleep at least 6 hours a night).. i dont know any smokers who do that (maybe some do).

Or is the addiction to nicotine purely psychological and mental? I just don't know..
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Drug dependence isn't dictated by the half life. You can become dependent on nicotine using it only a few times a day.
 
SpunkySkunk347 said:
Perhaps there is a fine line between physical, psychological, and mental nicotine withdrawals, but I'd like to know (if its possible at this point in physiological science to know) how often do you have to smoke in order to start getting withdrawals from cigarettes/nicotine?

I was under the impression that in order for a drug to start causing true physical withdrawals, it must be in the person's system (at some level) 24 hours a day -- but the half life of nicotine is only 2 hours.. which would mean that a physically addicted smoker would have to wake up during the night just to smoke so they could get rid of withdrawals (assuming that they sleep at least 6 hours a night).. i dont know any smokers who do that (maybe some do).

Or is the addiction to nicotine purely psychological and mental? I just don't know..
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It really depends on the person. I'm lucky to be able to go from smoking two packs a day for 3 months to not smoking at all for a few weeks without any problems. I really think it's more of a psychological addiction in that it's something for you to do with your hands, when you're bored, to kill time, etc. - I mean its physical effects really aren't very strong. It's a question of finding something with which to replace it I think :) (non-drug relateed obviously)
 
Smoking has always felt really, really good to me. I believe I am in the minority in experiencing this. It eases my nerves, gives me respite from other nervous habits, and even (on occasion) slightly elevates my mood. I'm surprised so many people smoke who don't enjoy it.


Still quitting in mid-to-late September. Two packs a day for the past several years is going to be tough. As fuck.
 
I QUIT Y'ALL!!!

Yes, it's been a week and a half so far, no cigs! I slipped up on friday night and had a few at a party I was drinking at. But didn't even have a craving since. I just somehow found myself in the mindset of "why am I doing something that I can not rationalize as being okay for my health anymore" and just dont even have the desire all of a sudden. I think another big reason why I just want to get away from cigs entirely is that it causes MAJOR bloating for me in the stomach, I have ongoing GI issues, and smoking cigarettes makes it WAY WORSE. I felt gross all the time and just got tired of it. I had my little stint of 2012 being my 'return to smoking' year but now it's over and that's cool.

I guess it doesn't hurt my bf has been asking me to quit for the past few months as well. Motivation is motivation!
 
I'd like to get into the e-cig thing but there's so many options, anyone have a good resource for different models/nebulizers ect?
 
awesome. My question didn't get answered because it was merged into a megathread where it can be lost and forgotten. Gotta love them moderators and their hard-on's for megathreads.
I understand that we have to keep this forum well organized, especially to keep it orientated around harm reduction, but to put it simply: meaningful discussion is impossible here and has been for a few years
 
Your specific question was responded to by several people. I believe it would have fallen off the front page, ne'er to be heard from again had I not merged it into a thread that centres around cigarettes and smoking in general.

There's no easy answer to the question you were asking, and I think everyone will have a different idea as to what they think the answer is specific to their own experiences. I personally have never smoked, so I couldn't offer any meaningful input, but I would like to think that there is an equally strong psychological component to the addiction as there is a physical one. :\
 
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