Misc Nicotine (not addictive to me)

[Bob Loblaw]

JahRed, I hope you're joking.
8)

 

[missingno]

some others(as myself) could only smoke and smoke another tobacco cig again and again for so long before nausea will happen

this reason is what keeps me from being addicted to cigs, idk about yall story

 

[drug_mentor]

I know HEAPS of people liek that, I don't think what you have described is that unique. Smoking everyday for a month is fuck all, I found it took alot longer than that smoking daily for a real addiction to take hold and most smokers I know are the same. There is the odd smoker that just fell in love instantly and they are usually the hardcore chainsmokers that just can't get enough nicotine.

I seriously think I was smoking everyday for closer to a year than a month before I noticed any physical cravings and I only smoked everyday because I was off a lot of drugs and felt I needed something just to relax. Cigarettes are pretty addictive when you get into them but its an addiction that builds very slowly imho, I also personally believe the main reason so many people have difficulty quitting is just because you can't walk up the street without someone lighting up.

The physical withdrawal is not in the league of the more harder drugs. I have heard a number of smokers claim cigarettes are harder to give up than heroin. Although I have never personally been addicted to heroin and kicked the habit, I seriously doubt the validity of this claim. If somebody could prove it was true I would suddenly have a lot less empathy for heroin addicts than I currently do.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Although I have never personally been addicted to heroin and kicked the habit, I seriously doubt the validity of this claim. If somebody could prove it was true I would suddenly have a lot less empathy for heroin addicts than I currently do.

I've met multiple people who put down heroin before tobacco.

I believe it.

What drug is the most addictive is a subjective thing mostly, but as a generality, tobacco is one of the most addictive drugs, and is typically seen as the most addictive one.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

im a similar situation as the OP as in i never smoke alone, only when doin heroin with friends. unless im getting fucked up by myself but thats rare. ive also smoked for over a month at time because i was on probation and couldnt smoke weed and then just stopped without even thinking about it. the only time i ever crave them is when im coming down off dope. it seems like i can be losing my buzz and sometimes ill start smokin a cig and start noddin off before im finished

 

[JahRed24x]

When i posted this thread i thought no one else would feel the same as I do about smoking cigarettes. I thought most people would just be just blab nonsense i say that i am lying. But i honestly have smoked more then enough cigs to become addicted but have never EVER craved a cigarette. I honestly don't think that they are addictive one bit to me and its the weirdest thing to think that someone could be REALLY addicted to smoking cigs.. It makes no sense to me how you could ever become addicted to nicotine. I honestly think people that are addicted are just well.. i dunno.... makes no sense. . .

 

[nikkithechihuahua]

I feel like I'm not physically addicted to nicotine... but mentally I know I am...

A few years ago I felt like I could never get addicted because I'd smoke every now and than only with friends, and think nothing of it. It was on and off for about 2 years and than some shit went down and I started smoking because it reminded me of the times I did do it and how much fun I had whenever I was smoking a cigarette... and I've been smoking ever since.

 

[Z Y G G Y]

This is the thing, some drugs are addicting to some and other drugs aren't addicting to others. For me for example cocaine is not addicting. I can sit around a circle of people doing it and I dont' have cravings to do it at all even in social situations.

But I can imagine that it can addicting. Can u imagine that Mars exists even if u have never been there? All based on just explanations of others. It's kinda like that. Just cuz u have never been in the shoes of someone addicted to nicotine I can't see how u can't understand that it can be addicting to them. It's just a matter of u understanding a phenomena that u have never experienced. Similar to many scientific ideas.

 

[MistaJeff]

something doesn't add up here. i have lost and am loosing family to tobacco. it is a hard, hard death for such a shit intoxicant. why do you that boast of immunity to the nasty asswipe habit keep tossing five dollar bills at it. fucks so good with waking up with a mouth that tastes like bung?

some of you younger members explain please?

I think the people who can't get addicted to nicotine are the only people who should smoke. I have friends that a hard core fiends for their nicotine fix and they always piss me off by trying to smoke in my car and having to take a smoke break every ten minutes. I don't care for tobacco all that much but I would never claim that I would never smoke it again. Tobacco is an herb that has it's uses, and if someone can use it responsibly they should do whatever they want with it.

 

[JahRed24x]

This is the thing, some drugs are addicting to some and other drugs aren't addicting to others. For me for example cocaine is not addicting. I can sit around a circle of people doing it and I dont' have cravings to do it at all even in social situations.

But I can imagine that it can addicting. Can u imagine that Mars exists even if u have never been there? All based on just explanations of others. It's kinda like that. Just cuz u have never been in the shoes of someone addicted to nicotine I can't see how u can't understand that it can be addicting to them. It's just a matter of u understanding a phenomena that u have never experienced. Similar to many scientific ideas.

Yeah well I don't think coke is addicting either. I honestly think that very few drugs are TRULY addicting.. And the only ones that i can think of are Benzo's and Opiates... and Alcohol too - but it takes along time to become truly addicted to alcohol.

oh wow when a meth head stops they're withdrawal consists of them sleeping for like 2 days! That sounds like a fucking awesome/easy withdrawal when comparing to drugs like Opiates and Benzos.. I dunno like when you compare the withdrawals and all that stuff to opiates - nothing can compare when talking about addiction..

i dunno thats just me. Yes I didn't say i don't believe that anyone is addicted to nicotine - I merely stated that 'I can't understand how you could be addicted to cigs.'

 

[fm1983]

Dude ^^^ That must be a type-O because you said you started smoking at 5 YEARS OLD!?!? WTF? no way.. anyways I still cannot grasp the idea of cigs being addictive?! But maybe thats b/c i have had to deal with REAL addictive substances... Opiates for instance are the only addictive substances on this earth to a human.. and i know someone will argue with me but they are just being ignorant to the idea of addiction.

- "Oh no jah you are the one thats being ignorant to the idea of addiction"

me: Oh ok and what substance have you actually been addicted to that is on par with an opiate addiction?

you: Blah blah nonsense nonsense nonsense...

My point has been made...

PERIOD >

Now you just sound stupid. So stop.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

JAHRED you seriously need to learn the difference between physical dependency and addiction. Physical dependency exists outside of addiction (oxymetazoline and beta blockers are two commonly cited examples) and addiction can occur without ANY physical dependence.

Below is the DSM-IV-TR criteria for Substance Dependence (what we commonly refer to as addiction).

A maladaptive pattern of substance use, leading to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by three (or more) of the following, occurring at any time in the same 12-month period:

(1) tolerance, as defined by either of the following:
(a) a need for markedly increased amounts of the substance to achieve Intoxication or desired effect
(b) markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of the substance

(2) Withdrawal, as manifested by either of the following:
(a) the characteristic withdrawal syndrome for the substance (refer to Criteria A and B of the criteria sets for Withdrawal from the specific substances)
(b) the same (or a closely related) substance is taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms

(3) the substance is often taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended

(4) there is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use

(5) a great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the substance (e.g., visiting multiple doctors or driving long distances), use the substance (e.g., chain-smoking), or recover from its effects

(6) important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of substance use

(7) the substance use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance (e.g., current cocaine use despite recognition of cocaine-induced depression, or continued drinking despite recognition that an ulcer was made worse by alcohol consumption)

As you can see, withdrawal is one criteria among 7 and only 3 are needed within a 12 month period to diagnose someone as an addict. Meth and other drugs may not produce withdrawal syndromes like opiates, benzos or alcohol but addiction is more than withdrawal, its a biopsychosocial disease which means that it impacts all aspects of the users' life essentially.

 

[justcallmewhat]

I am addicted in that I will smoke again, but after smoking 5-20 cigs a day depending on the time in my life over the last 2 years, I can stop for a week/month without even thinking about it.

Kicking Oc.... that is something that consumes my thought.

And Jah, I would like to see you get in an argument about addiction with a crack cocaine addict. I can't really say anything from personal experience, but I would do some more reading on how the brain works before you claim the ONLY substance(s) on earth that a human can be addicted to are opiates.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

JAHRED you seriously need to learn the difference between physical dependency and addiction. Physical dependency exists outside of addiction (oxymetazoline and beta blockers are two commonly cited examples) and addiction can occur without ANY physical dependence.

Below is the DSM-IV-TR criteria for Substance Dependence (what we commonly refer to as addiction).



As you can see, withdrawal is one criteria among 7 and only 3 are needed within a 12 month period to diagnose someone as an addict. Meth and other drugs may not produce withdrawal syndromes like opiates, benzos or alcohol but addiction is more than withdrawal, its a biopsychosocial disease which means that it impacts all aspects of the users' life essentially.

C2TL- You never cease to amaze me with your smarts.

Hmm cease.. thats not in my vocabulary. did i use that word correctly? lol

 

[Cyc]

I smoked for 8 years, quit for just over a year, then smoked again for another 3 years, then quit for the past 4.

The second time was much harder than the first time. Smoking can so easily become a huge part of your daily routine, like eating and sleeping.

For me, smoking puncutated each point in my day. I had a coffee, I had a smoke. I finished a class, I had a smoke. I finished lunch, I had 2 smokes. I finished football practice, had a smoke. Did my homework, had a smoke.

So that each thing you complete gives you license for that small, satisfying little reward. 4 years later and I still get the odd craving.

 

[goodcleanfun1]

I tend to agree with Jah. I don't smoke a lot (a lot for me is twice a month), and if i do its when im drinking. But before I smoked I bought into the hype that cigs are sooooooo addicting. But when I actually had my first smoke I thought "geez this is it? how is this the most addictive substance?"

When people use the excuse they are addicted to cigarettes to smoke I kinda laugh at them. Like what lol? So this is something you want to stop but can't? Are you that weak willed? I mean seriously? Your level of self-discipline ends there? Gosh don't try any serious drugs or you're gonna have some problems.

My girlfriend smokes and the length she goes to smoke combined with her inability to stop based on her excuse that she is addicted, disgusts me. I just don't see it.


Lastly, for those who say its socially acceptable I disagree entirely. Smokers are ostracized from the public. In my state there is no smoking indoors, no smoking on my college campus (not even in your car), no smoking within x amount of feet from a building. And add to that freezing temps outside right now it's crazy why someone would want to smoke. It amazes me people go out of their way to smoke fuckin cigarettes!!

I abused dilaudid for a couple months and that is something I recognize as being addictive. It felt addictive. Cigarettes never did to me. I work in a casino (the one place you can smoke inside). I'm surrounded by cig smoke and I never crave it. But i've never liked cigs, never incorporated them into my life routine, never had close friends that smoked.....maybe some people just "take" to it more than others. c'est la vie.

 

[bupropion]

I haven't found it very addictive (Benzedrex was much more). It's OK though and feels somewhat like Darvon plus some mild stimulation.

 

[JahRed24x]

Ok i know i was being slightly stoopid in some of my past posts (i was obviously drunk) but ok i understand. theres a difference between addiction and physical dependence...

 

[JahRed24x]

I tend to agree with Jah. I don't smoke a lot (a lot for me is twice a month), and if i do its when im drinking. But before I smoked I bought into the hype that cigs are sooooooo addicting. But when I actually had my first smoke I thought "geez this is it? how is this the most addictive substance?"

When people use the excuse they are addicted to cigarettes to smoke I kinda laugh at them. Like what lol? So this is something you want to stop but can't? Are you that weak willed? I mean seriously? Your level of self-discipline ends there? Gosh don't try any serious drugs or you're gonna have some problems.

My girlfriend smokes and the length she goes to smoke combined with her inability to stop based on her excuse that she is addicted, disgusts me. I just don't see it.


Lastly, for those who say its socially acceptable I disagree entirely. Smokers are ostracized from the public. In my state there is no smoking indoors, no smoking on my college campus (not even in your car), no smoking within x amount of feet from a building. And add to that freezing temps outside right now it's crazy why someone would want to smoke. It amazes me people go out of their way to smoke fuckin cigarettes!!

I abused dilaudid for a couple months and that is something I recognize as being addictive. It felt addictive. Cigarettes never did to me. I work in a casino (the one place you can smoke inside). I'm surrounded by cig smoke and I never crave it. But i've never liked cigs, never incorporated them into my life routine, never had close friends that smoked.....maybe some people just "take" to it more than others. c'est la vie.

well at least someone kinda agrees with me.. : ) lol ... But still you can't disagree with me that opiates/benzos/alcohol are the MOST addictive/physical depending drugs and the worst drugs to 'withdrawal' from...

 

[justcallmewhat]

To discredit millions of people saying they are addicted to nicotine which has also been scientifically proven to be very addictive and has vasts amounts of studies/research to back it up is kinda silly.

Try telling grandma Bobo that she wasn't addicted to cigarettes when her 2-pack a day habit gave her throat cancer and now she smokes through a hole in her neck.

Cigarettes can easily be both physically and mentally addictive, but some people (including myself) aren't phased too hard by quitting for one reason or another. I kindof attribute it to the fact that I'm doing other drugs.